Are Protestants dead?

[Strong in Him]

I believe in Apostles Creed, not politically instigated Nicene Creed.

The Nicene creed was drawn up to counter the false beliefs that you are putting forward - that Jesus wasn't fully God.
The early church had always believed in the divinity of Christ, but when there were people teaching otherwise, they needed a formal creed so that everyone knew where they stood. Sorry, but if you think that it was produced only because of some political agenda, that is incorrect. If you look at the statement of faith on the forum, you'll see Scriptures for every line of the Nicene Creed.

Whether or not you can, or want to, accept this, is an entirely different matter.

 

[Strong in Him]

Right. But believing that faith alone saves is the theology of a person about to die. That cannot conform with our living God and a living person.

Of course it can.
If a person hears, and accepts the Gospel, believes in Christ's atoning death and receives him, is filled with his Holy Spirit, they are born again and saved and become a child of God. If they happened to be killed a few days/hours later, that wouldn't change their status a child of God.

They don't need to DO loads of good works to validate their salvation; they have it. Given the chance they will be able to show what their faith means to them by the works they do, but that won't change their status in God's eyes.

 

[Righttruth]

When he was on earth he was fully man and fully God.
It's not easy to understand, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

That is man's way of drawing awesome God to human level!

You've just said, yourself, that the Word created all things, and then the Word became flesh in Jesus. So Jesus was, and is, the eternal Word.
The Word was with God and the Word was God ......... through him, all things were created, John 1:1-3.
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, John 1:14.

Word was God, not God anymore after being Word.

 

[Righttruth]

The Nicene creed was drawn up to counter the false beliefs that you are putting forward - that Jesus wasn't fully God.
The early church had always believed in the divinity of Christ, but when there were people teaching otherwise, they needed a formal creed so that everyone knew where they stood. Sorry, but if you think that it was produced only because of some political agenda, that is incorrect. If you look at the statement of faith on the forum, you'll see Scriptures for every line of the Nicene Creed.

Whether or not you can, or want to, accept this, is an entirely different matter.

No. Where do you find in the Bible 'God of very God, etc.?

 

[Righttruth]

Of course it can.
If a person hears, and accepts the Gospel, believes in Christ's atoning death and receives him, is filled with his Holy Spirit, they are born again and saved and become a child of God. If they happened to be killed a few days/hours later, that wouldn't change their status a child of God.

They don't need to DO loads of good works to validate their salvation; they have it. Given the chance they will be able to show what their faith means to them by the works they do, but that won't change their status in God's eyes.

Without the fruit of the Spirit, no salvation.

 

[Eloy Craft]

I defend truth, and Jesus is truth. There can be only one absolute truth. People may claim all kinds of titles and status. I am not interested in that. Therefore, I bow out of this thread.

You do realize that your claim is that the community that received the promise of the Holy Spirit to be lead to all truth was lost, and you, as an individual, are the true holder of the promise?

 

[Strong in Him]

That is man's way of drawing awesome God to human level!

God, himself, decided to bring himself down to our level!
That is how we can have confidence that, when Jesus intercedes for us, he understands exactly what it it like. That is why we can know that God is not remote, observing from a distance; untouched by anything, but has been in our shoes.
Too bad you don't believe that; it's an awesome truth and you are missing out.

Word was God, not God anymore after being Word.

So the Word created, the Word became flesh and then stopped being the Word?
No Scriptures say that.
There are some that say that Jesus shared God's glory before the creation of the world, John 17:5; 1 Peter 1:19-21, that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, Revelation 1:8. And there are some which say the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they knew he was claiming to be God.
But you don't believe those, and have alternative explanations for some of them.

 

[Strong in Him]

Without the fruit of the Spirit, no salvation.

Nope.
Without the Holy Spirit a person cannot be born again or have assurance that they are a child of God, but if they accept Jesus and are filled with the Spirit, they are saved.

If they then died suddenly and had been unable to do any good works, they would still be saved.
Salvation is not Jesus + good works, it's only Jesus.
Jesus doesn't give us a cheque marked 'salvation' and then says, "you need to cash that in at the bank of good works". He has done it all.

 

[Strong in Him]

No. Where do you find in the Bible 'God of very God, etc.?

That means that Jesus came from God and was himself God. Jesus, the Word, became flesh; he did not float around earth as a disembodied Spirit, nor was he ONLY a man.
You have been given verses that show the divinity of Jesus; you can't/won't accept them.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Without the fruit of the Spirit, no salvation.

The Kingdom is promised to those who love Jesus. The gifts are nothing without love.
James 2:5
Listen, my beloved brothers and sisters. Has not God chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and to be heirs of the kingdom that he has promised to those who love him?

1 Cor.:13
If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Nope.
Without the Holy Spirit a person cannot be born again or have assurance that they are a child of God, but if they accept Jesus and are filled with the Spirit, they are saved.

If either of these groups had refused being baptized were they truly inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Acts 2:37
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and to the other apostles, “Brothers, what should we do?”
38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44
44 While Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who heard the word. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astounded that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter said, 47 “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 So he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Righttruth]

You do realize that your claim is that the community that received the promise of the Holy Spirit to be lead to all truth was lost, and you, as an individual, are the true holder of the promise?

As long as one holds to the words of Jesus, believes in His way and life, he has hope. But many have deviated and have come up with their own convenient doctrines to their own destruction. As Peter pointed out, Paul's letters are badly interpreted and applied leading to destruction. The Holy Spirit was sent to remind us of the commandments of Jesus.

 

[Righttruth]

God, himself, decided to bring himself down to our level!
That is how we can have confidence that, when Jesus intercedes for us, he understands exactly what it it like. That is why we can know that God is not remote, observing from a distance; untouched by anything, but has been in our shoes.
Too bad you don't believe that; it's an awesome truth and you are missing out.

He came down to transform us, not to be dragged down to our lives and thinking!

So the Word created, the Word became flesh and then stopped being the Word?
No Scriptures say that.
There are some that say that Jesus shared God's glory before the creation of the world, John 17:5; 1 Peter 1:19-21, that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, Revelation 1:8. And there are some which say the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they knew he was claiming to be God.
But you don't believe those, and have alternative explanations for some of them.

John 17:
3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

You are not recognizing holy God the Father, but calling Jesus as God!

 

[Righttruth]

Nope.
Without the Holy Spirit a person cannot be born again or have assurance that they are a child of God, but if they accept Jesus and are filled with the Spirit, they are saved.

The sign of the Holy Spirit within you is the fruit. Not tall claims!

If they then died suddenly and had been unable to do any good works, they would still be saved.
Salvation is not Jesus + good works, it's only Jesus.
Jesus doesn't give us a cheque marked 'salvation' and then says, "you need to cash that in at the bank of good works". He has done it all.

Only those who endure till the end will be saved. Till then one has to strive towards perfection.

 

[Righttruth]

That means that Jesus came from God and was himself God. Jesus, the Word, became flesh; he did not float around earth as a disembodied Spirit, nor was he ONLY a man.
You have been given verses that show the divinity of Jesus; you can't/won't accept them.

Manifestation or incarnation is not fully God. Arm of a chair is not a full chair. Jesus was divine too as He was fully man.

 

[Righttruth]

The Kingdom is promised to those who love Jesus. The gifts are nothing without love.
James 2:5
Listen, my beloved brothers and sisters. Has not God chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and to be heirs of the kingdom that he has promised to those who love him?

1 Cor.:13
If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

It is not a lip service of love. We are created in Jesus Christ to do good works.

Ephesians 2
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[Eloy Craft]

As long as one holds to the words of Jesus, believes in His way and life, he has hope. But many have deviated and have come up with their own convenient doctrines to their own destruction. As Peter pointed out, Paul's letters are badly interpreted and applied leading to destruction. The Holy Spirit was sent to remind us of the commandments of Jesus.

I take that to mean yes. Which means you don't believe the part I bolded.
To you the promise of the Holy Spirit isn't to an us but to a you.

 

[Eloy Craft]

It is not a lip service of love. We are created in Jesus Christ to do good works.
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Ephesians 2
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Another logical fallacy. Strawman argument. Lip service love you can refute but there is no evidence of that kind of love in my post. Unless the Apostles I quoted are wrong like everyone else is to you.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Another logical fallacy. Strawman argument. Lip service love you can refute but there is no evidence of that kind of love in my post. Unless the Apostles I quoted are wrong like everyone else is to you.

Righttruth appears to be denying the Incarnation on some level or another. Strange but not surprising. A lot of heresies eventually deny the Incarnation. Probably not all of them but a lot of them do. Good on you for seeing it for what it is.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That is exactly what I am doing. Bear with me. It is going to be a long detailed study that may take days.

Ok

 

[Righttruth]

Righttruth appears to be denying the Incarnation on some level or another. Strange but not surprising. A lot of heresies eventually deny the Incarnation. Probably not all of them but a lot of them do. Good on you for seeing it for what it is.

I don't deny the incarnation of Jesus. But that doesn't equate Him with God the Father.