Wherein I catch a professional YEC in a lie

[omega2xx]

You show a seriously poor understanding of evolutionary theory.

You show a seriously poor understanding of science.

Hint: what you just said is not what evolutionary theory espouses. POPULATIONS evolve NOT INDIVIDUALS.

Hint. More usual evo rhetoric that you can't prove.

 

[omega2xx]

OK. Prove it. Show me the genetic data that supports your position and not anything else.

Prove it yourself. Plant some corn and see what you get.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You show a seriously poor understanding of science.

You're not on the school ground anymore.

Hint. More usual evo rhetoric that you can't prove.

Can't prove that populations not individuals evolve? Fine. Prove me wrong.

 

[omega2xx]

Really?

"The generation of more than 350,000 'sub-baramina' of beetle in 4000 years?"

to which you replied:

"That is no different than the great number of dog varieties in the same length of time."

Are you really going to stand on your implied claim of there being 350,000 "sub-baramina" of dog?

Do you now see the pickle that your breed of "argument" gets you into

First I doubt if there are that many varieties of beetles. Even if there are, they are just varieties of the same species.

"Where did you get 4000 years? You just made that up with no evidence. Evolutionist have gotten very good at make believe."

to which I replied:

"Well see, I got it from creationists! For the flood is claimed to have occurred about 4000 years ago, and thus all extant diversity had to have arisen from a breeding pair (or 7 clean pairs) of 'kinds' off the ark."

Do you not even know the story YOU are promulgating?

Since the Bible doesn't give the age of the universe or when the flood occurred, 4000 yeas is only a guess.

Are you saying God did not flood the earth? We agree!

The Bible says there was a universal flood, Unless you can prove there was not one, there was one,

I think you meant to omit the above - for you did not even try to address it.

This is what happens when you 'argue via knee-jerk.'

I have no idea what that refers to.

 

[omega2xx]

You will get a range of variants, some similar to other varieties. This range will be a random or "bell curve" distribution--the "random" in random variation and natural selection.

Not true. You will ALWAYS get the exact same variety you planted. I have been gardening for over 40 years and it has not failed yet.

 

[Jimmy D]

First I doubt if there are that many varieties of beetles. Even if there are, they are just varieties of the same species.

LOL

Since the Bible doesn't give the age of the universe or when the flood occurred, 4000 yeas is only a guess.

LOL

The Bible says there was a universal flood, Unless you can prove there was not one, there was one,

LOL, Do you think it's 1858 or something?

I have no idea what that refers to.

A common theme in your posts!

 

[omega2xx]

On the one hand, of course I teach what I have been taught. It is quite stupid, frankly, to think any one person can do everything.

I have, however, done original published research. One of my papers was cited in the 2nd Edition of Doug Futuyma's textbook "Evolution." He did not cite it in the 3rd ed... razza frakken....


Regarding the dog=whale, you will first have to abandon your strawman.

It is amusing to me that when you evos can't answer the question, you call it a strawman. Your response is he real strawman.

A series of genes.

No magic required, if that is what you were getting at.

It is not a series of genes. It is one specific gene for a specific characteristic. You finally got something right, it is not magic, It is the process created by our Intelligent Designer.

 

[omega2xx]

Falsifying that, would make evolution false.
Gazelles producing anything other then gazelles, would falsify evolution.
That is probably one of the most ignorant statements evo give. Gazelle always producing gazelles, reinforces after their kind. If gazelles always produce gazelles, how do we get the greet variety of species we have today?

Please learn what evolution is actually about, because this is becoming rather ridiculous.

Please learn something about genetics, this is ridiculous.

No. You say it, because that is what you believe as a religious creationist.

What I believe is not about my religion. It is about science. The only thing I mention from my religion is "after their kind," which can b e proved and can't be disproved and it refutes evolution.

You mean that you won't listen to one.



It's not rhetoric.


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I will listen to antyhing that includes scientific evidence. If it does not include the evidence for what is said, it is rhetoric.

 

[omega2xx]

You're not on the school ground anymore.

No but you are.

Can't prove that populations not individuals evolve? Fine. Prove me wrong.

You made the first statement. Prove it then I will prove it wrong.

 

[omega2xx]

LOL




LOL



LOL, Do you think it's 1858 or something?



A common theme in your posts!

The evidene you offered is underwhelming.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No but you are

Yeah, no.

You made the first statement. Prove it then I will prove it wrong.

You made the claim that individuals evolve not populations. Prove me wrong. You also still have to show evidence for whatever a 'kind' is.
But since you're the type of person who doesn't understand basic biology, especially since you feel that bass aren't fish nor robins are birds, then I'm not really holding my breath for anything.

Also, please figure out how to use the QUOTE function.

 

[Jimmy D]

The evidene you offered is underwhelming.

What?

Do you mean the evidence I posted earlier refuting your corn nonsense?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible says there was a universal flood, Unless you can prove there was not one, there was one,

This is abysmal logic. Actually if you claim that there was a universal flood then the burden of proof is upon you, and in matters of science the Bible does not count as evidence.

But if we set up some reasonable ground rules it is possible to prove that there was no universal flood.

 

[Speedwell]

Not true. You will ALWAYS get the exact same variety you planted. I have been gardening for over 40 years and it has not failed yet.

The fact is, that the variation I speak of is the basis of evolution. It is also the basis of selective breeding which allowed the natives of the New World breed corn from Teosinte. Without variation there is nothing for natural selection--or the forced selection of breeding--to work on. There would be no corn for you to plant.

 

[Speedwell]

Not true. You will ALWAYS get the exact same variety you planted. I have been gardening for over 40 years and it has not failed yet.

Do you save corn from your crop for next years planting, or do you buy it new each year?

 

[omega2xx]

Yeah, no.



You made the claim that individuals evolve not populations. Prove me wrong. You also still have to show evidence for whatever a 'kind' is.
But since you're the type of person who doesn't understand basic biology, especially since you feel that bass aren't fish nor robins are birds, then I'm not really holding my breath for anything.

Also, please figure out how to use the QUOTE function.

You made the first claim. Prove yours and I will prove it wrong. If you are not willing to do that, it is time to move on. Your problem is you can't prove what you said, indicating you lack of understanding basic biology.

 

[omega2xx]

What?

Do you mean the evidence I posted earlier refuting your corn nonsense?

You have not refuted anything, You have just exposed you ignorance of the subject.

 

[omega2xx]

This is abysmal logic. Actually if you claim that there was a universal flood then the burden of proof is upon you, and in matters of science the Bible does not count as evidence.

But if we set up some reasonable ground rules it is possible to prove that there was no universal flood.

I can't prove there was a flood and you can't prove there wasn't. Feel freed to provided any evidence you think support your OPINION.

 

[omega2xx]

The fact is, that the variation I speak of is the basis of evolution. It is also the basis of selective breeding which allowed the natives of the New World breed corn from Teosinte. Without variation there is nothing for natural selection--or the forced selection of breeding--to work on. There would be no corn for you to plant.

There is no evidence corn evolved from teosinte. The is the usual talking point offered by evolutionists, but they offer only necessary opinions, no evidence. We have teosinte seeds toady and they will not produce corn. What was teosinte before it became teosinte?

 

[omega2xx]

Do you save corn from your crop for next years planting, or do you buy it new each year?

I always plant "silver queen" corn. It is a hybrid and will not produce after its kind. Hybrids are caused by men tinkering with the process to try and improve the variety.. It will not happen naturally.