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an·ni·hi·la·tion əˌnīəˈlāSHən/
noun 1.complete destruction or obliteration.
Of what?

The body? Life?

What is being completely destroyed and obliterated?

If a person's body is able to be burned forever in hell, then it must be effectively indestructible.

Death is essentially the exact same thing as annihilate when it is death by lake of burning sulfur. Because if the LOF does not annihilate, then nothing has died and nothing has been destroyed, but will instead live and exist forever.

Annihilationism doesn't mean the person's atoms cease to exist (violating the law of conservation of matter), but rather that they get turned into ashes (mentioned in Malachi 4:3) by said lake of fire. Because that's what fire does. It turns things to ash.

What happens to things when they die? Do they remain in writhing agony for eternity, or do they stop moving, rot, decompose, return to dust, and effectively cease to exist?

Things that die end up becoming destroyed sooner or later. The person's life is immediately destroyed, and the body will eventually be destroyed (usually) not long thereafter.
 
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[QUOTE Der Alter, post #414].It is often argued that the idea of hell came from Greek paganism. So what would former pagans understand when Paul said that the unrighteous fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners etc. would not inherit the kingdom of God? Would they instantly think that all those groups would be ultimately reconciled, as some groups today believe?[/QUOTE]

Yea, they will not inherit the Kingdom of God, by no manner os means. What the Apostle Paul preached will fulfil itself LITERALLY in this time of Apocalypse, even in this beginning of this first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), the Day of Lord or the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Millennium or Day of Vengeance. By the way, the Word is God, God is the Word.
Who is worth to inherit or to enter in the Kingdom of God? Yea, who is worth to enter in the Kingdom that will be established by the Most High God and Almighty in this first century of this seventh and last millennium or Last Day, in which we are living?

Apostle Paul wrote to Thessalonians:
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
(This hapenning will be now in this last Millennium or Last Day)
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;
10 When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that Day (now THIS Day). (Well, be sure that this Day has already arrived)

1The.4:15to18)
15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the Archangel (Daniel 12:v.1to3), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds
(this clouds has nothing to do with clouds of rain or H2O), to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

JESUS our Lord left very clear, saying: Luke 20:35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world
(wich will be established now in this beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Col.3:1to6
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If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the WRATH of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
 
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Of what?

The body? Life?

What is being completely destroyed and obliterated?

If a person's body is able to be burned forever in hell, then it must be effectively indestructible.

Death is essentially the exact same thing as annihilate when it is death by lake of burning sulfur. Because if the LOF does not annihilate, then nothing has died and nothing has been destroyed, but will instead live and exist forever.

Annihilationism doesn't mean the person's atoms cease to exist (violating the law of conservation of matter), but rather that they get turned into ashes (mentioned in Malachi 4:3) by said lake of fire. Because that's what fire does. It turns things to ash.

What happens to things when they die? Do they remain in writhing agony for eternity, or do they stop moving, rot, decompose, return to dust, and effectively cease to exist?

Things that die end up becoming destroyed sooner or later. The person's life is immediately destroyed, and the body will eventually be destroyed (usually) not long thereafter.

That's true. The problem is that those who hold the other view try to define the word annihilate in such an extreme way so as to have the very atoms of a person go into oblivion. It's just another attempt to avoid the clear statements in Scripture.
 
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[QUOTE Jordan Henshaw, post #421]
If a person's body is able to be burned forever in hell, then it must be effectively indestructible.[/QUOTE]

Mark 9:42-50

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
 
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[QUOTE Jordan Henshaw, post #421]
If a person's body is able to be burned forever in hell, then it must be effectively indestructible.

Mark 9:42-50

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
[/QUOTE]

That's a reference to Isaiah 66. If you read that passage in Isaiah you'll find that it is corpses that are burning. They are dead bodies.
 
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Mark 9:42-50

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

[QUOTE Butch5, post above]
That's a reference to Isaiah 66. If you read that passage in Isaiah you'll find that it is corpses that are burning. They are dead bodies.[/QUOTE]

But there is more this warns of Isaiah 33:v.10to15

10
Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.
11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
12
And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.
13 Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might.
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites.
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
 
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Mark 9:42-50

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Do you even know what the word "quench" means in relation to fire?

If the worm this is referencing literally never dies, is it an immortal worm? Do the bodies magically have an endless supply of flesh? Is this worm somehow fireproof and indestructible too? Is it an immortal worm?

Or is it simply figurative language from the extremely poetic book of Isaiah?
 
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What happens to people when they die?
Matthew 25:31-46 With particular emphasis on vs. 46
Matthew 25:46
(46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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Matthew 25:31-46 With particular emphasis on vs. 46
Matthew 25:46
(46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Yep. Eternal punishment. Not eternal punishing. The same word for eternal, aiōnion, is the same word used to describe the fire that destroyed Sodom. And that Greek word often represents a finite period of time. We have already gone over this.

You can look at the parable of the tares for an example of what eternal punishment looks like.
 
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Do you even know what the word "quench" means in relation to fire?
If the worm this is referencing literally never dies, is it an immortal worm? Do the bodies magically have an endless supply of flesh? Is this worm somehow fireproof and indestructible too? Is it an immortal worm?
Or is it simply figurative language from the extremely poetic book of Isaiah?
Exodus 3:2-3
(2) And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
(3) And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

Daniel 3:23
(23) And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Daniel 3:25-27
(25) He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
(26) Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
(27) And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
 
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Exodus 3:2-3
(2) And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
(3) And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

Daniel 3:23
(23) And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Daniel 3:25-27
(25) He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
(26) Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
(27) And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
Classic!

Of COURSE God can make something burn forever if he wanted to! He can do anything!

I am simply shining the light on the absurdity in saying that he would create a magical, immortal worm that would eat the flesh of conscious sinners for all eternity.

It's a MOTIF!!! It's POETIC IMAGERY!!! It's not a literal, immortal, forever hungry, indestructible worm! That is absurd!
 
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Yep. Eternal punishment. Not eternal punishing.
A nonsensical distinction which does not exist in the Greek. I guess those on the right will not live eternally since they went to "aionion life" not "aionion living."
The same word for eternal, aiōnion, is the same word used to describe the fire that destroyed Sodom. And that Greek word often represents a finite period of time. We have already gone over this.
Yes we have gone over this. It appears that you ignored my post where I show from 22 verses that aion/aionion do in fact mean eternity/eternal. For example.

Romans 1:20
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [ἀΐ́διος/aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 16:26
(26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
In Romans 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, unending etc. In Rom 16:26 Paul refers to God as “aionios,” therefore Paul considers “aidios” and “aionios” to be synonymous.
You can look at the parable of the tares for an example of what eternal punishment looks like.
Consider these verses.

•“Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
• "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
• "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,” Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
• “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ” Matthew 26:24
In Matt. 18:6, 26:24, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a fate worse than death or nonexistence. A fate worse than death is also mentioned in Hebrews 10:28-31.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
According to some folks when a sinner falls into the hands of the living God the compensation they will receive is either reconciliation or annihilation.
.....Jesus is quoted as using the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He wanted to say eternal death in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “eternal punishment.” The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, they knew that everybody died; rich, poor, young, old, good, bad, men, women, children, infants and knew that it had nothing to do with punishment and was permanent. When Jesus taught “eternal punishment” they would not have understood it as death, it would have meant something worse to them.
 
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[QUOTE Butch5, post above]
That's a reference to Isaiah 66. If you read that passage in Isaiah you'll find that it is corpses that are burning. They are dead bodies.

But there is more this warns of Isaiah 33:v.10to15

10
Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.
11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
12
And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.
13 Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might.
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites.
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
[/QUOTE]

This doesn't have anything to do with what Jesus said. However, the word "everlasting" is incorrect. The Hebrew word Is the word owlam. It doesn't mean everlasting. Here's a link from the Ancient Hebrew Research Center that explains how the word owlam was used.

Hebrew Word Definitions - Eternity
 
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Matthew 25:31-46 With particular emphasis on vs. 46
Matthew 25:46
(46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

You just won't answer the question forthrightly. I guess I'll have to tell you. When a person dies they decay and they return to the dust as the Scriptures say. The person ceases to exist. They are no more.
 
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Classic!
Of COURSE God can make something burn forever if he wanted to! He can do anything!
I am simply shining the light on the absurdity in saying that he would create a magical, immortal worm that would eat the flesh of conscious sinners for all eternity.
It's a MOTIF!!! It's POETIC IMAGERY!!! It's not a literal, immortal, forever hungry, indestructible worm! That is absurd!
As you said classic!
This is the standard heterodox argument. When scripture as written contradicts their false beliefs simply blow it off as SPAM-Fig, symbolic, poetic, allegory, metaphor, figurative.
.....According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Judaica and the Talmud before and during the time of Jesus among the Jews there was a belief in a place of unending, fiery punishment which they called both sheol and gehenna.

… heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [ שׁאול /Sheol]] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al). "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b).
Link:Jewish Encyclopedia Online
If it was not factual why would Jesus mention hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die to people who believed that it was factual?
 
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therefore Paul considers “aidios” and “aionios” to be synonymous.
No. Just no. Like I said before, if I say hot sauce is spicy and red, and then say that a Jalepeno is also spicy, that does NOT make the Jalepeno red.

And aidios is only used TWICE. The first time to describe God, and the second time to describe the chains of fallen angels in Jude 6. In Jude 6, it is clear aidios means a finite period of time.

So no. Aidios is NOT more eternal than aionios.

I have already addressed that group of verses twice, which you originally posted on the first page of this thread.

• "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
• “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.Matthew 18:6
• “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Matthew 7:23
• “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Matthew 26:24
You really have to be blind to believe these verses refute Annihilationism. Come on. This is ridiculous.
 
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When scripture as written contradicts their false beliefs simply blow it off as SPAM-Fig, symbolic, poetic, allegory, metaphor, figurative.
Am I stuck in a time loop or something?

We've already gone over all this.

When God said that we are the salt of the earth, did he mean that we are literally grains of NaCl?

Of course not. It is FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE.
 
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If it was not factual why would Jesus mention hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die to people who believed that it was factual?
He was quoting a prophecy in Isaiah. He addressed this by saying that the wages of sin is DEATH. I don't know how he could have been more clear. Should he have said they will be destroyed? Should he have said they would cease to exist forever? Should he have said they will end in destruction? Should he have said they would perish?

I don't know how he could have made it more clear.
 
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...This doesn't have anything to do with what Jesus said. However, the word "everlasting" is incorrect. The Hebrew word Is the word owlam. It doesn't mean everlasting. Here's a link from the Ancient Hebrew Research Center that explains how the word owlam was used.
Your link was not an ancient anything it was an anonymous website. Here is the definition of olam from Brown, Driver, Briggs Lexicon of Hebrew, one of, if not, the highest accredited lexicons available.
עוֹלָם S5769, 5865 TWOT1631a GK6409, 6518439 n.m. long duration, antiquity, futurity;—ע׳ Gn 9:12 + 405 times; עֹלָם 3:22 + 19 times; עֵילוֹם 2 Ch 33:7, read prob. עוֹלָם (for other explan. v. note in Kit); sf. עֹלָמוֹ Ec 12:5; pl. עוֹלָמִים Is 26:4 + 7 times, עֹלָמִים ψ 145:13 + 2 times; cstr. עוֹלְמֵי Is 45:17;—† 1. of past time: a. ancient time: יְמֵי ע׳ days of old Is 63:9, 11 Am 9:11 Mi 5:1; 7:14 Mal 3:4; יְמוֹת ע׳ Dt 32:7; עַם ע׳ Is 44:7 ancient people; גּוֹי מֵע׳ Je 5:15; חָרְבוֹת ע׳ old waste places Is 58:12 61:4, cf. Ez 26:20 b; פִּתְחֵי ע׳ ancient gates ψ 24:7, 9; ארח ע׳ Jb 22:15; נתבות ע׳ Je 6:16; שְׁבִילֵי ע׳ 18:15; גבול ע׳ Pr 22:28; 23:10; במות ע׳ Ez 36:2; מִן (םֵ)ע׳ from of old Is 64:3 Je 2:20 Jo 2:2, of the fathers Jos 24:2, the prophets Je 28:8, the ancient נפלים Gn 6:4; (Ez 32:27 Co for מערלים; but 1 S 27:8 read מִטֵּלָם for מעולם We Dr HPS); בהם ע׳ long in them Is 64:4 (text dub.). b. מֵתֵי ע׳ the long dead ψ 143:3 La 3:6; so עַם ע׳ Ez 26:20. c. of God, מֵע׳: former acts Is 46:9; as redeemer Is 63:16; of love ψ 25:6, judgment 119:52, dominion Is 63:19; long silence 42:14; 57:11*; his wisdom personif. Pr 8:23; his existence ψ 93:2. d. of things: גבעות ע׳ ancient hills Gn 49:26 (J), Hb 3:6 (|| הררי־עד), Dt 33:15 (|| הררי קדם). e. pl. שְׁנוֹת עולמים ψ 77:6 years of ancient times; דורות עולמים Is 51:9; לעלמים Ec 1:10 in olden times. 2. a. indef. futurity, c. prep. for ever, always (sometimes = during the lifetime); עֶבֶד עולם slave for ever Dt 15:17; 1 S 27:12; Jb 40:28; עָבַד לע׳ serve for ever Ex 21:6 (E), Lv 25:46; עד ע׳ 1 S 1:22; גְּאֻלַּת ע׳ Lv 25:32 redemption at any time; הֲרַת ע׳ Je 20:17 ever pregnant (womb); כְּלִמַּת ע׳ v 11 of persecutors of Jeremiah; חרפת ע׳ 23:40; שַׁלְוֵי ע׳ ψ 73:12 alway at ease; יְחִי לע׳ (יחיה) may the king live alway 1 K 1:31; Ne 2:3; cf. אֹרֶךְ יָמִים עולם ועד ψ 21:5; ישׁב עולם לפני אלהים 61:8; so of the pious, לע׳ לא ימוט 15:5; בל ימוט Pr 10:30, cf. ψ 30:7; other phr.: ψ 37:27, 28 41:13; 55:23; 61:8; 73:26; 121:8 Pr 10:25; ע׳ אשׁירה ψ 89:2 I will sing for ever (as long as I live), cf. 52:10; 115:18; 145:1, 2; הוֹדה לע׳ 30:13; 44:9; 52:11; 79:13; other emotions and activities continuous through life 5:12; 31:2 = 71:1, 75:10; 86:12; 119:44, 93, 98, 111, 112 Mi 4:5, cf. לע׳ 2:9. b. = continuous existence, (1) of things: the earth, הָאָרֶץ לְעוֹלָם עֹמֶדֶת Ec 1:4; other phr.: ψ 78:69; 104:5, heavens and contents 148:6, ruined cities Is 25:2; 32:14 Ez 26:21; 27:36; 28:19, ruined lands Je 18:16; 25:9, 12; 49:13, 33; 51:26, 62 Ez 35:9 Zp 2:9; לעד עד ע׳ Is 30:8 for a witness for ever, in a book; (2) of nations: לעולם אהיה 47:7 (Babylon loqu.), cf. ψ 81:16 Ob 10; ישׁב לע׳ of Judah Jo 4:20; (3) families ψ 49:12 Is 14:20; the dynasty of Saul 1 S 13:13; house of Eli 2:30; (4) national relations: איבת ע׳ continual enmity Ez 25:15; 35:5; of exclusion from קהל י׳, עד ע׳ Dt 23:4 = Ne 13:1; various relations Is 32:17; 34:10; חרפת ע׳ perpetual reproach ψ 78:66, of dynasty of David 2 S 3:28; 12:10 1 K 2:33, families v 33 2 K 5:27 ψ 106:31 Je 35:6. c. of divine existence: אל עולם Gn 21:33 (J); אלהי ע׳ Is 40:28; חי אנכי לע׳ Dt 32:40; חֵי הע׳ Dn 12:7; of divine name, זה שׁמי לְע׳ Ex 3:15 (E), cf. 2 Ch 33:7 (v. supr.); blessing and praise of it 2 S 7:26 = 1 Ch 17:24, ψ 72:19; 135:13; of י׳ himself 89:53; attributes, אהבה Je 31:3 1 K 10:9; חסד Is 54:8 ψ 89:2; 138:8; לע׳ חַסְדּוֹ 1 Ch 16:34, 41 2 Ch 5:13; 7:3, 6; 20:21 Ezr 3:11 ψ 100:5; 106:1; 107:1; 118:1, 2, 3, 4, 29; 136:1 + 25 times, Je 33:11; כבוד ψ 104:31; אמת 117:2; 146:6; צדק 119:142; עצה 33:11; reign Ex 15:18 (E), ψ 10:16; 66:7; 92:9; 146:10 Je 10:10 Mi 4:7; יהוה לע׳ ישׁב ψ 9:8; 29:10; 102:13 La 5:19; presence in Zion 1 Ch 23:25; Is 33:14; 60:19, 20 Ez 37:28; 43:7, 9; his salvation Is 51:6, 8; זרעת ע׳ Dt 33:27 everlasting arms; כל אשׁר יעשׂה האלהים יהיה לע׳ Ec 3:14. d. of God’s covenant: בְּרִית ע׳ everlasting covenant Gn 9:16; 17:7, 13, 19 Ex 31:16 Lv 24:8 Nu 18:19 (all P), 2 S 23:5; 1 Ch 16:17 = ψ 105:10, Is 24:5; 55:3; 61:8 Je 32:40; 50:5; Ez 16:60; 37:26; covenant with Noah, לְדֹרֹת ע׳ Gn 9:12 (P); God remembers it 1 Ch 16:15 = ψ 105:8, ψ 111:5; will not break it, לע׳ Ju 2:1; אוֹת ע׳ Ex 31:17 (P); אוֹת עד ע׳ Dt 28:46. e. of God’s laws: דבר(ים) Is 59:21 ψ 119:89; משׁפט 119:160; עדות v 144, 152; חק ע׳ Ex 29:28; 30:21 (E), Lv 6:11, 15; 7:34; 10:15; 24:9 Nu 18:8, 11, 19 (P), also Je 5:22 (of bounds of sea); חק עד ע׳ Ex 12:24 (J), חֻקַּת ע׳ v 14, 17; 27:21; 28:43; 29:9 Lv 3:17; 7:36; 10:9; 16:29, 31, 34; 17:7; 23:14, 21, 31, 41; 24:3, 8; Nu 10:8; 15:15; 18:23; 19:10, 21 (P) (most of these in fact specif. Jewish and temporary); temple to bear God’s name, עד ע׳ 1 K 9:3 = 2 Ch 7:16; לע׳ 2 K 21:7 2 Ch 33:4; consecrated לע׳ 30:8; its ceremonies לע׳ 2:3; Levit. priesthood, לשׁרתו עד ע׳ 1 Ch 15:2; Aaronic priesthood, לברך בשׁמי עד ע׳ 23:13(). f. of God’s promises: his word, יקום לע׳ Is 40:8; promised dynasty of David, עד (ה)ע׳ 2 S 7:13, 16(), 25 = 1 Ch 17:12, 14(), 23 ψ 18:51 = 2 S 22:51; 1 K 2:33, 45 1 Ch 22:10 ψ 89:5; לע׳ 1 K 9:5; 1 Ch 28:4, 7; 2 Ch 13:5 ψ 89:29, 37 2 S 7:29() = 1 Ch 17:27(); of holy land 1 Ch 28:8, אֲחֻזַּת ע׳ Gn 17:8; 48:4 Lv 25:34 (P); given לע׳ Ex 32:13 (J) 2 Ch 20:7; עד ע׳ Gn 13:15, inherited לע׳ Is 60:21 ψ 37:18; עד ע׳ Is 34:17; dwelt in עד ע׳ Ez 37:25; other blessings, לע׳ Dt 5:29 Ho 2:21; עד ע׳ Dt 12:28; 2 S 7:24 = 1 Ch 17:22, ψ 133:3; שִׂמְחַת ע׳ Is 35:10; 51:11; 61:7; דֶּרֶךְ ע׳ ψ 139:24; שׁם ע׳ Is 56:5; 63:12; אות ע׳ 55:13; גאון ע׳ 60:15; Jerus. to abide לע׳ Je 17:25 ψ 125:1, cf. Je 31:40; עד ע׳ ψ 48:9. g. of relations between God and his people, לע׳ 1 Ch 29:18 ψ 45:18; 85:6; 103:9; 145:21; Is 57:16; Je 3:5, 12; La 3:31; Jo 2:26, 27; עד (ה)ע׳ ψ 28:9 Mal 1:4. h. of Messianic dynasty and king: (ל)ע׳ ψ 110:4; having divine throne 45:7; name endures 72:17; established 89:38; God blesses him 45:3; of his reign, מעתה ועד ע׳ Is 9:6. i. = indefinite, unending future: live לע׳ Gn 3:22; Jb 7:16; הנביאים הלע׳ יִחְיוּ Zc 1:5 the prophets, can they live for ever? cf. חדל לע׳ ψ 49:9; c. neg. never Ezr 9:12; Pr 27:24. j. after death: שׁנת ע׳ Je 51:39, 57; בית ע׳ Ec 12:5; חַיֵּי ע׳ Dn 12:2; דראון ע׳ v 2; also v 3 Jon 2:7; Ec 2:16; 9:6. k. = age (duration) of the world: את העלם נתן בְּלִבָּם Ec 3:11 the age of the world he hath set, etc. (cf. especially NH; others i). 1. pl. intens. everlastingness, eternity: תשׁועת עולמים Is 45:17; צדק עלמים Dn 9:24; צור עולמים Is 26:4 (RVm rock of ages); מלכוּת כל עלמים ψ 145:13; also 61:5; 77:8; 1 K 8:13 = 2 Ch 6:2. m. special phr.: מ(ה)עולם (ו)עד (ה)עולם (מן) from everlasting to everlasting, of י׳ ψ 90:2, חסד י׳ 103:17; benedictions 1 Ch 16:36 = ψ 106:48, Ne 9:5; 1 Ch 29:10 ψ 41:14; the land given למן עולם ועד עולם Je 7:7; 25:5; מעתה ועד עולם from now and for ever ψ 115:18; 121:8 (i.e. as long as one lives); of people’s hope in God 131:3; dynasty of David Is 9:6; of God’s acts, words, etc. Mi 4:7; Is 59:21 ψ 125:2, cf. 113:2;—v. further I. עַד p. 723.
Brown, F., Driver, S. R., & Briggs, C. A. (1977). Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon (pp. 761–763). Oxford: Clarendon Press.
 
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