How to choose between creation and evolution.

[DogmaHunter]

I thought the ToE is always a 'work in progress', never "concluded".

You are confusing the word "concluded" with the word "proven", it seems.

Every scientific theory is a conclusion obtained through studying reality.

You have only concluded that it is true

From the evidence, yes.
Just like how we concluded the same for theories like relativity, germs, atoms,...

, regardless of the obvious possibility that it isn't.

Anything can be wrong.
But if it's wrong... then why do all attempts at showing it to be wrong, fall flat on their face? And in fact, actually end up doing the opposite?

 

[DogmaHunter]

How do you know it happened?

DNA.

The same way we know that your sister is your biological sister (or not).

 

[DogmaHunter]

Wow just wow, all things including spiders and cats all came from a common ancestor.

As evidence by their DNA, yes.
The same kind of evidence that shows you and your sister, share the same ancestors.

So somewhere somehow there was a branch created. When did that happen? How do you KNOW it happened and how do you KNOW it possible?

We know it happened, thanks to the genetic evidence.
We understand how it happened because we understand the process of evolution (and can demonstrate every single aspect of that process).

You continue to use assumptive reasoning.

No, my statements are based on facts and actual data.

Family trees show families and groups. All it shows is how some things fit.

In case of biology, it also shows kinship.

In fact the trees cannot be traced back to an original branch. Observed data indicates that it does not happen. It's an assumption. You cannot show it ever occurring.

Google observed speciation.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That's false, because cats and spiders came from a common ancestor at some point.

I didn't say otherwise. They are both animalia.

Unless you believe there were a number of common ancestors in the beginning.

That might actually be possible. Although the concensus in the community concerning the data seems to be that all life likely evolved from a single population.

Spiders and cats did not suddenly appear according to evolution, they evolved from a common ancestor. When did that happen?

Cats are far younger then spiders in any case.

Show the actual observation of the ability of something like that occurring.

Surprise, I can't show you a process that takes 100s of millions of years to unfold, in real time in a lab.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Looks like he is trivially dismissing them with anecdotes of singular links of dubious relevance.

Yeah. And ironically, the articles he links to, flat out state that the features they discuss, evolved. Go figure.

You can count on a creationist to post an evolution supporting paper in a discussion to argue against evolution.

 

[DogmaHunter]

'Many' sure, 'most' not.

"many" works for my point just as well, since the underlying cause is the point.

But whatever.
I'm sure you'll find something else to complain about... whatever keeps you from addressing the actual points.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If my eye doctor explains everything about how my eyes function I believe him, right up to the point where he tells me it's all due to evolution. I screen out the 'evolution' in the articles I post that otherwise support my positions.

aka intellectual dishonesty.

 

[DogmaHunter]

To a hammer every problem looks like a nail.

Says the theist who "explains away" ever problem with "god did it".

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I wasn't making that point. In the case of wisdom teeth I cited nutrition, which was supported by the link I posted. If you carefully read all of my supporting posts you will find this as well.

In post #963, you say clearly: "I screen out the 'evolution' in the articles I post that otherwise support my positions." You clearly say that you use articles that don't support your claim to support your claim. Which is the hallmark of an intellectual fraud.

 

[Ophiolite]

I have no problem with traits inherited from my ancestors (humankind). It's evolution's claim that I inherited traits from creatures that don't look like me that I reject.

If I could bottle ignorance and sell it for a $2.50 a vial, I'd make a fortune here.

I know that's what you reject. I know you choose to pretend the evidence doesn't exist. I know you rely upon your faith. And you know I'm going to tackle you on your nonsense from time to time and you are going to keep on posting it regardless. It's the small contribution we both make to global warming via excess heat from servers and laptops.

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

If you study evolution, with an open mind, you will likely believe in evolution.

If you study human, animal, and plant anatomy, with an open mind, you will likely believe in creation.

God and crew are literally from heavens -- celestial beings from a much more advanced civilization far far away.

That is how evolution and creation can both be true.

 

[pitabread]

What I meant was that to an evolutionist everything under the sun evolved, even thoughts. There's no end to it.

This still doesn't address anything I wrote.

 

[bhsmte]

aka intellectual dishonesty.

But, provides great emotional comfort.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You are confusing the word "concluded" with the word "proven", it seems.

Every scientific theory is a conclusion obtained through studying reality.



From the evidence, yes.
Just like how we concluded the same for theories like relativity, germs, atoms,...


Anything can be wrong.
But if it's wrong... then why do all attempts at showing it to be wrong, fall flat on their face? And in fact, actually end up doing the opposite?

So it's not 'falsifiable'?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

aka intellectual dishonesty.

My choice (see the OP).

 

[bhsmte]

So it's not 'falsifiable'?

LOL

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Says the theist who "explains away" ever problem with "god did it".

I can't explain it, and I don't have to. Evolution has tasked itself with the burden of explaining the unexplainable.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This still doesn't address anything I wrote.

I can only whack at so many moles.

 

[VirOptimus]

My choice (see the OP).

You dont get to chose your own physical reality.

 

[bhsmte]

You dont get to chose your own physical reality.

Actually he can choose. But, he has to have robust defense mechanisms, to ward off the evidence that contradicts his choice.