The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

[JacksBratt]

One FE person said that the sun is in another dimension or that there are two suns so as to explain the fact that there are 24 hours of daylight in Antarctica. So I would not put it past them to say such a thing in regards to ships dropping below the horizon line.

That's funny.

 

[JacksBratt]

Then what was your point and why are you arguing for a Flat Earth?

I think, if you look back at the origin of this argument of the rotation direction of the stars down under... it was your comment that they rotate in a different direction.

I simply stated that the earth spins one way and the celestial bodies, therefore can only seem to rotate around the sky in the same direction everywhere.
Proof of this is that the sun always rises in the east... so must the stars as they follow the same direction.

One more time, I will tell you... If you look up, while facing south, they will move from east to west... or left to right... AND.. if you look up while facing north.. they will still move from east to west.. but from your right to your left.

This will be the same whether you are in Texas, Toronto, Sydney, Perth or Finland.

It has nothing to do with the FE....

You stated that they move in different directions at northern areas and southern areas...which is impossible in either model.

For me, this is an important topic at the moment to discuss. For if Christians are pushing a false belief in a Flat Earth, then they are creating an unnecessary offense on top of the gospel (Which is already an offense). Such a false belief can easily turn people away from even hearing the gospel to begin with.

You do realize that many are coming to Christ, finding faith in the Bible and the gospel... all directly because of the resurgence in the belief of the FE, right?

Anyways, I understand that is frustrating (and or a little overwhelming) to explain away many of the the evidences for our spherical Earth. If you don't want to continue to discuss it, I totally respect that, my friend.

Oooooo nice... well played.. But that's not what I said... Hmmm seems that I say that a lot..

I said I'm sick of talking in circles with you on this stupid motion of the stars thing..

In no way has anyone proved that either model is correct. I have my issues with both.

OK look, there are rewards out there for those that believe they can prove that the earth is a globe.. So, why don't you go get the reward and post a picture of yourself holding the check?

Sacred Word Publishing: FE 2017 - The $8250 Flat Earth Challenge to All Globe Believers:

In any event, may God bless you;
And may you please be well.

And you.

 

[Netgear]

We can always count on one forum member who has nothing to add but condescending remarks.

Let me ask... why are you here...if you don't have anything to say but comments about the posters and their personal character.

Posters? No. Poster. You. Why? Because you have been convinced of many untruths and fake videos and uneducated information. I am trying to make you see that you are going down the wrong path.

There is NO flat earth. Science can prove that. Please, come back to reality jack.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I think, if you look back at the origin of this argument of the rotation direction of the stars down under... it was your comment that they rotate in a different direction.

I simply stated that the earth spins one way and the celestial bodies, therefore can only seem to rotate around the sky in the same direction everywhere.

Sigh. It is not the actual stars that are spinning in a different direction of the universe actually. They only appear to be spinning in a different direction because of the rotation of the Earth. Come on now. That was the whole point of why I told YOU to spin as a part of an experiment in proving that things appear to turn clockwise on one end of the ball vs. counter clockwise on the other end of the ball. Stars in the North pole appear to move counter clockwise. Stars in the South pole appear to move clockwise. This is because of the rotation or spin of the Earth.

They do not. I repeat. Stars do not appear to spin the same everywhere on our planet. Please. Please just talk to people or watch some videos that have no agenda.

Proof of this is that the sun always rises in the east... so must the stars as they follow the same direction.One more time, I will tell you... If you look up, while facing south, they will move from east to west... or left to right... AND.. if you look up while facing north.. they will still move from east to west.. but from your right to your left. This will be the same whether you are in Texas, Toronto, Sydney, Perth or Finland.
It has nothing to do with the FE....

You stated that they move in different directions at northern areas and southern areas...which is impossible in either model.

The sun has got nothing to do with it. We are talking about the North and South poles here. Well, the South pole is a little tricky for Flat Earthers. Apparently some of them are convinced gunships will prevent them from going there or that there is a treaty preventing anyone in visiting there. This of course goes against all the touristic resources for Antarctica of course.

You do realize that many are coming to Christ, finding faith in the Bible and the gospel... all directly because of the resurgence in the belief of the FE, right?

I believe times are getting darker. Yes; And people will believe and do things that go against reality. Take for example the "Tide Pod Challenge."

In no way has anyone proved that either model is correct. I have my issues with both.

But you seem to lean more in the Flat Earth direction because you talk in favor of that model a lot and seek to attack or doubt any real Science that supports our real spherical Earth.

OK look, there are rewards out there for those that believe they can prove that the earth is a globe.. So, why don't you go get the reward and post a picture of yourself holding the check?

Sacred Word Publishing: FE 2017 - The $8250 Flat Earth Challenge to All Globe Believers:

And you.

Oh good. You would think the astronauts would be first to collect on that one. They have video and photographic evidence. He may be able to buy a ticket for twice or three times that price to see space one day maybe. So he should continue to save up so he can go and check it out.

I can only imagine the look on his face of how dumb he will feel when he sees the Earth is round. Then again, he might try to explain that away as some kind of NASA trick or hologram (even while up in space).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If you are a Flat Earth believer, please do not take what I am about to say to you personally, I love you in Jesus Christ and I merely want you to see the truth and help to point others to the truth. Okay. Here it is:

I see a belief in a Flat Earth belief as an overwhelmingly lack of trust of others because Flat Earth theorists have an unhealthy trust by not trusting many people on basic things. Flat Earth theorists have a distrust of Christians, astronauts, satellite workers, GPS creators, astronomers, scientists, people who have visited or live in Antarctica, etc.

"They are all lying to us!" ~ The Flat Earth theorist's decree.​

While no doubt people do lie (even the government, I am sure); However, this does not mean that they would lie about everything. Even our own society has some moral standard to a degree. Most people in our world consider, murder, theft, rape, child abuse, etc. as wrong (Which lines up with the Godly truth mentioned in Romans 2:14).

However, where does this unhealthy trust of others come from?

Here is part of an interesting article, you should check out.

Childhood experiences that contribute to trust issues:

There are numerous aversive childhood experiences that contribute to children’s mistrust and lack of confidence. For example, parents’ inconsistent responses or their failure to deliver on their promises create insecurity and distrust in their children. A parent’s frightening outbursts of rage can shatter a child’s trust in a predictable world. The betrayal of trust that occurs with child sexual abuse as well as with incidents of severe physical abuse over the long-term can trigger dissociative states in young victims. These events can also set up expectations of future betrayals or lead to certain blind-spots in an individual’s ability to accurately judge the trustworthiness of others.

The dishonest ways that many parents communicate with each other and with their offspring also damage the child’s trust. Parents who lack integrity tend to be duplicitous in their communications, that is, their actions don’t correspond to their words. Their double messages confuse children and play havoc with their sense of reality. Gregory Bateson focused on this important dynamic—the “double bind” — in his book Steps Toward an Ecology of Mind. Based on clinical research, he concluded that children learn to distrust their perceptions in social interactions when they have been confused and mystified by double messages experienced in their family.

These painful events in childhood leave unseen scars and have a profound impact on us throughout life. In an attempt to protect ourselves, we build a system of defenses against our pain, confusion, and disillusionment. Some of us vow never to trust anyone ever again; others become hyper-vigilent and feel determined to not be a “sucker.” If we were hurt by our parents’ dishonesty, we may see other people from a skewed perspective and develop harsh, cynical attitudes toward them. These self-protective defenses help us preserve an illusion of strength and invulnerability, yet these same defenses limit our capacity for trusting others and for finding fulfillment in a close relationship.​

I hope this article helps.

May God bless you all today.

With loving kindness to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


Source:
Trust Issues: Why Is It So Hard for Some People to Trust?

 

[Netgear]

Overwhelming evidence of a globe abounds. I have looked into flat earth beliefs and its all false and uneducated. I have looked at the multitude of FE videos etc and they just spew out utter nonsense. These people are very easily led.

I too love all our brothers and sisters in Christ. When it comes to things that science and man, through the Wisdom of God have shown to be fact, we get these FE believers bringing up counter arguments that are laughable and totally inaccurate and false.

Trust in God. God gave us science. The ability to solve puzzles. To ability to know truths.

For me, evil wants to pull man away from God. The devil loves to bring confusion, conspiracy and lack of faith to mankind.

 

[JacksBratt]

Sigh.

Yep... sigh!... you got it..... All about something that matters not one bit to either model...

Moving on then... I hope?

I believe times are getting darker. Yes; And people will believe and do things that go against reality. Take for example the "Tide Pod Challenge."

Really? Why not the "jump in front of a subway.. challenge"? Or, better still, the "Go kick a grizzly bear challenge"? The "Fly a kite under the high tension wires challenge"?

What in the Lords name does any of this have to do with the fact that people... lost souls.. atheists, agnostics... people who, in their adult years, think that there is no God and we got here by some single celled organism, billions of years ago.... which evolved into what we are today..... people like this, who laughed their heads off at the gospel or the truth of Jesus Christ and His gift of salvation...

These same people, smirk and laugh at a FE.. then investigate, then become whole hearted FE believers AND.. as a result... conclude that since their view of an enclosed, flat, snow globe of a world.. there must be a creator, designer, God... and therefore, evolution is a lie, Christ is real... and give their heart to Him, ask for His salvation and are now Bible believing Christians...

How, in this world, is that comparable to a kid, bowing to peer pressure, to eat a toxic pill of chemicals.. on a dare?

Please give me something to work with...That analogy is not even close.

People are being saved and coming to Christ.. because of their learning and accepting the FE model as truth..

I guess Satan doesn't know that a house divided will not stand. I guess Satan's lie of a FE saving people is part of his deception.

Or, did his deception begin 500 years ago with the heliocentric model?

That is what I am researching.

Tide pod's... indeed..( insert face palm meme here)

But you seem to lean more in the Flat Earth direction because you talk in favor of that model a lot and seek to attack or doubt any real Science that supports our real spherical Earth.

Sure, it may seem that way.. however, this may be due to the fact that the people who are asking questions in regard to the reality of a globe... they have already researched enough to overcome their long standing teaching in favor of it.. They have moved from the globe model to the FE model.. not because of some YouTube video... but due to a struggle with their cognitive dissonance..

While, people fighting for the globe model are quite new to this new resurgence of the FE view..and.. as a result.. give elementary, false and unscientific arguments..

This is not because they are stupid.. nope.. far from it.. It's due to one thing... They are leaning on "evidence" that they have been fed since kindergarten. It's what we have been taught our whole lives.. we go to these "facts" and "truths" automatically, but have never stopped to investigate and test them...

I show you examples of things that are visible, while they should be hidden by the curve.... you want a ship,over the curve, shown to come back when zoomed in.. all the while missing the meat of the fact that we shouldn't be able to see it AT ALL.

We spend days arguing about the movement of the stars at the south... while it matters not to either model.

People argue about the calculation of the curve being the distance in miles, squared, times 8 inches... think about that.. it's all over the internet as a fact... it's simple math and recorded in charts everywhere.. it is a fact that is an absolute that must be true in order to arrive at the circumference of the globe...

Yet.. people dispute and argue.. why? Because 8 inches per mile is one heck of a fast rate of curve.. more than I would have ever believed... Not only that but it makes it real, observable and testable.. all the while... I CAN NOT SEE EVIDENCE OF IT... anywhere.

Also.... a 8 inches per mile squared.. must be visible from an airplane...at 30,000 feet.

You say you fly... Take the edge of a magazine.... when your at your required altitude.. hold it to the horizon... you will see no evidence of curve.

In fact, with all the ways to prove that their is a curve... nobody has seen it.. NOBODY can show it... unless they use a fish eye lens.. which just happens to be NASA's go to lens... sheesh....

Oh good. You would think the astronauts would be first to collect on that one. They have video and photographic evidence. He may be able to buy a ticket for twice or three times that price to see space one day maybe. So he should continue to save up so he can go and check it out.

Yep.. you would think so wouldn't you.. However,, where are their videos and photographic evidence...

You are aware that NASA lost, or recorded over all ... that's ALL of the telemetry data for the Apollo missions... all of it..It's gone.. lost forever.. nowhere.. poof.. gonedeee.

This was the greatest achievement of man kind.. yet NASA lost, damaged or destroyed it.... are you kidding me? It should be in a museum.. protected for all history.. yet.. nope.. sorry we taped "The Brady Bunch" rerun's over it...

Now, with the new feature film.. out all over the world.. "The ISS and the Girls with the Hair Spray Hair"... with the sequel " Man on the fake ISS Spins while hanging on a Wire"...Not to be confused by "Greatest Bloopers of NASA trying to fake being in Space".......

Now with these burning up the internet... I seriously doubt that man can go to low earth orbit for very long at all.. and certainly cannot go out too far without dying.

I can only imagine the look on his face of how dumb he will feel when he sees the Earth is round. Then again, he might try to explain that away as some kind of NASA trick or hologram (even while up in space).

Well, that would be a lot different that a man, who has been 10 miles up.

Yep.. this guy went up 10 miles, that's 52,800 feet up...Here is his observations:

"Through portholes, the observer saw the Earth through copper-colored, then bluish, haze. It seemed a flat disk with an upturned edge. And at the ten mile level the sky appeared a deep, dark blue."

This was before NASA, before the operation "high Jump" and "operation Fish bowl of the Lord" before all the powers of this earth realized that there was a problem with reality......

So..yep... I may defend the FE view... but this is only because the so called "evidence" being presented.. doesn't wash.. I know.. I've studied it, researched it... and it doesn't add up...

I don't believe in the FE as of yet... but something is seriously wrong with the globe model and reality...

 

[JacksBratt]

I see a belief in a Flat Earth belief as an overwhelmingly lack of trust of others because Flat Earth theorists have an unhealthy trust by not trusting many people on basic things.

You may see it that way. An unhealthy trust in others. However, what if belief in the last 40 years of NASA, the military and government, is an unhealthy belief.. a blind faith in three institutions that are known to lie.

I consider the Bible to be true and a solid truth.. in fact it trumps any of the musings of the minds of men... IMO

The struggle I initially had was when I was arguing with an atheist when they told me that the Bible described the earth as flat... They challenged the truth of the Bible an my faith in this truth by presenting what they understood by reading scripture... now this is an atheist by the way... as a description of a flat earth..

They told me that "if you believe the bible, then you must believe the earth is flat"

This started my self reflection.. just so happened that this was when the FE started to become a hot topic.

Flat Earth theorists have a distrust Christians, astronauts, satellite workers, GPS creators, astronomers, scientists, people who have visited or live in Antarctica, etc.

Actually, if you were to ever meet me.. I trust people, at their word.. too easily.

I only distrust a person, or source, when they have been shown to be dishonest or disingenuous.

Remember... Satan tells us lies but mixes them with truth.....

However, where does this unhealthy trust of others come from?

Here is part of an interesting article, you should check out.

​

Trust Issues: Why Is It So Hard for Some People to Trust?

Well, thanks for the psychology lesson.. however, I was born in a Christian home, to parents that I could trust to do exactly as they said that they would, give me what they said I would get, not get anything that I was told I could not have.. all the time.

In fact, much to my dismay, at times... I always got what they told me I would get...whether good or bad....

So..... I have been raised with an expectation that others will do what they say they are going to do and do it as they say they were going to do it.. Not only that, but if they say they did something.. I believe that they have done exactly that.

However, play a tape of someone telling me the opposite.. show me a video of them doing something that is opposite to what they are portraying.... or, if I observe something that doesn't match with what I have been taught.. They will lose integrity and I will take everything else that they portray as questionable.


I will take the "believe half of what you see and question anything that you hear"

This basically boils down to me believing more of what I actually see than what others tell me that I will see.

 

[JacksBratt]

Overwhelming evidence of a globe abounds. I have looked into flat earth beliefs and its all false and uneducated. I have looked at the multitude of FE videos etc and they just spew out utter nonsense. These people are very easily led.

I too love all our brothers and sisters in Christ. When it comes to things that science and man, through the Wisdom of God have shown to be fact, we get these FE believers bringing up counter arguments that are laughable and totally inaccurate and false.

Trust in God. God gave us science. The ability to solve puzzles. To ability to know truths.

For me, evil wants to pull man away from God. The devil loves to bring confusion, conspiracy and lack of faith to mankind.

Why don't you pick one (1) of your favorite proofs of the globe model and we will take a good look at it?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Why don't you pick one (1) of your favorite proofs of the globe model and we will take a good look at it?

If I were to choose the best evidence for a round Earth, it would be the sun. For me, this is the biggest proof that totally shatters the flat Earth children’s fable. If you know anything about 3D perspective in an art class or architecture, you would know that the FE proposal of the sun circling high above the Earth is not what we see. If the sun were to circle as the FE folks propose, then we would see the sun make a large circle high up in our sky and it would never set or reach the horizon line (i.e. the supposed drop off point or edge of the flat disk). If the sun did go over the horizon (i.e. the edge of the flat disk) on a flat Earth, the entire world be in darkness at the same time for a period of time until the sun would come back up above the view of the flat plane of the Earth.

 

[JacksBratt]

If I were to choose the best evidence for a round Earth, it would be the sun. For me, this is the biggest proof that totally shatters the flat Earth children’s fable. If you know anything about 3D perspective in an art class or architecture, you would know that the FE proposal of the sun circling high above the Earth is not what we see. If the sun were to circle as the FE folks propose, then we would see the sun make a large circle high up in our sky and it would never set or reach the horizon line (i.e. the supposed drop off point or edge of the flat disk). If it is an issue of perspective whereby we are too small to see the circle of the sun up in the sky fully and by some kind of magic of some kind of illusion, the sun did set for some freakish reason, then the sun should at least appear to shrink or get smaller as it reached the horizon line. But it doesn’t do that. If the sun did go over the horizon (i.e. the edge of the flat disk) on a flat Earth, the entire world be in darkness at the same time for a period of time until the sun would come back up above the view of the flat plane of the Earth.

Sorry Jason, this is not the most perfect answer to your proof.. I am very limited on time today..

Check this video and go to the 4:00 mark to 5:32...

 

[Aldebaran]

The struggle I initially had was when I was arguing with an atheist when they told me that the Bible described the earth as flat... They challenged the truth of the Bible an my faith in this truth by presenting what they understood by reading scripture... now this is an atheist by the way... as a description of a flat earth..

They told me that "if you believe the bible, then you must believe the earth is flat"

This started my self reflection.. just so happened that this was when the FE started to become a hot topic.

There are also people who will tell Christians that if they believe in God, then they must also believe we should be wearing tin foil hats, and other such nonsense. Atheists see Christians as people who believe in something that doesn't exist, because they don't believe in God themselves.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Really? Why not the "jump in front of a subway.. challenge"? Or, better still, the "Go kick a grizzly bear challenge"? The "Fly a kite under the high tension wires challenge"?

What in the Lords name does any of this have to do with the fact that people... lost souls.. atheists, agnostics... people who, in their adult years, think that there is no God and we got here by some single celled organism, billions of years ago.... which evolved into what we are today..... people like this, who laughed their heads off at the gospel or the truth of Jesus Christ and His gift of salvation...

These same people, smirk and laugh at a FE.. then investigate, then become whole hearted FE believers AND.. as a result... conclude that since their view of an enclosed, flat, snow globe of a world.. there must be a creator, designer, God... and therefore, evolution is a lie, Christ is real... and give their heart to Him, ask for His salvation and are now Bible believing Christians...

Well, I think more damage is done than you think. There are people who are led to Jesus Christ by listening to a prosperity preacher. But that does not mean that the prosperity gospel is true. People have been led to Christ by Karate Christian groups. But that does not mean that Jesus wants us to learn Karate or martial arts. There is even a Christians group who uses sex as a recruitment tool. One such group is called Family International (formerly called the Children of God). There are Christian groups who think you can bark like dogs and convulse on the ground and scream. All these groups think they believe in Jesus and they think they lead people to Jesus.

So just because someone says they are led to Christ by a certain method or way does not mean their method or way is correct or right.

How, in this world, is that comparable to a kid, bowing to peer pressure, to eat a toxic pill of chemicals.. on a dare?

The Tide Pod Challenge belief and the Flat Earth belief are both beliefs that ignore reality. Granted, one is more harmful to you than the other in the short term. But I see FE as having a bad long term harmful effect upon a person. It may seem harmless at first, but it is actually about the unhealthy trust of other human beings and how to not trust how the real world works.

I guess Satan doesn't know that a house divided will not stand. I guess Satan's lie of a FE saving people is part of his deception.

The last time I checked, getting people to believe in a Flat Earth is not a part of the gospel mentioned by Jesus, Peter, or Paul, etc.

Or, did his deception begin 500 years ago with the heliocentric model?

When you say things like this, you really do not make me think you are on the fence in regards to the Earth being flat. It sounds like that is what you really believe.

Sure, it may seem that way.. however, this may be due to the fact that the people who are asking questions in regard to the reality of a globe... they have already researched enough to overcome their long standing teaching in favor of it.. They have moved from the globe model to the FE model.. not because of some YouTube video... but due to a struggle with their cognitive dissonance.

It was either a YouTube video, a DVD, a book, a person talking to them live. Nobody just believes in a Flat Earth magically on their own without the crazier than a bag of cats Flat Earth un-Science and conspiracy theories.

While, people fighting for the globe model are quite new to this new resurgence of the FE view..and.. as a result.. give elementary, false and unscientific arguments.

Right. Real Science. Observable Science. Remember that experiment I told you to do?

This is not because they are stupid.. nope.. far from it..

I believe it can be emotionalism that clouds their good judgment. People tend to believe and or do irrational things because of some tragic thing that has happened in their life.

It's due to one thing... They are leaning on "evidence" that they have been fed since kindergarten. It's what we have been taught our whole lives.. we go to these "facts" and "truths" automatically, but have never stopped to investigate and test them...

This is the FE mantra. But what the FE's are failing to do is practice good Science. They start off with a false assumption. An unhealthy distrust of people and reality.

Remember when I told you to contact those people in the South pole and the people in the North pole? Ah, forget it. We both know you really don't care to confirm this because you don't want it to be true. You want Flat Earth to be true, so you will sweep experiments like these under the carpet and forget about them.

I show you examples of things that are visible, while they should be hidden by the curve.... you want a ship,over the curve, shown to come back when zoomed in.. all the while missing the meat of the fact that we shouldn't be able to see it AT ALL.

Again. Your not getting it. The video you had seen was a ship that was not below the horizon. They merely zoomed in on a boat that was already on the horizon line. I repeat. You need to find me a video that appears to have a boat half way covered by the sea or the horizon line and that by zooming in on it some more will magically make it re-appear. I mean, seriously. I fail to see how you cannot see the difference of what I am talking about here. Unless. Unless maybe you just don't want to see what I am talking about?

We spend days arguing about the movement of the stars at the south... while it matters not to either model.

*Face palm*

It does matter about how we perceive the movement of the stars on the North pole vs. the South pole. It matters because if it is true (and it is), then the Flat Earth model would simply not be true.

People argue about the calculation of the curve being the distance in miles, squared, times 8 inches... think about that.. it's all over the internet as a fact... it's simple math and recorded in charts everywhere.. it is a fact that is an absolute that must be true in order to arrive at the circumference of the globe... Yet.. people dispute and argue.. why? Because 8 inches per mile is one heck of a fast rate of curve.. more than I would have ever believed... Not only that but it makes it real, observable and testable.. all the while... I CAN NOT SEE EVIDENCE OF IT... anywhere.

Also.... a 8 inches per mile squared.. must be visible from an airplane...at 30,000 feet.

No. It is still too subtle of a curve to see with the naked eye. Have you ever walked a mile before? It is really a long distance. It is 5,280 feet and your average laser on a scope can only go about 1,000 feet at night time.

You say you fly... Take the edge of a magazine.... when your at your required altitude.. hold it to the horizon... you will see no evidence of curve.

In fact, with all the ways to prove that their is a curve... nobody has seen it.. NOBODY can show it... unless they use a fish eye lens.. which just happens to be NASA's go to lens... sheesh....

Not true. Somebody sent up a camera on weather balloon with no fish eye lens and we can see that the Earth is curved.

Yep.. you would think so wouldn't you.. However,, where are their videos and photographic evidence...

You can see live video footage of our Earth at NASA here:

You are aware that NASA lost, or recorded over all ... that's ALL of the telemetry data for the Apollo missions... all of it..It's gone.. lost forever.. nowhere.. poof.. gonedeee. YouThis was the greatest achievement of man kind.. yet NASA lost, damaged or destroyed it.... are you kidding me? It should be in a museum.. protected for all history.. yet.. nope.. sorry we taped "The Brady Bunch" rerun's over it...

Some say that it was lost because they needed to cover up advanced technology or something of that nature or a hidden mission. However, I honestly believe the tapes were honestly non-retrievable due to incompetence. People do make mistakes and they are not perfect. So it is not outside the realm of possibility.

Well, that would be a lot different that a man, who has been 10 miles up.

Yep.. this guy went up 10 miles, that's 52,800 feet up...Here is his observations:

"Through portholes, the observer saw the Earth through copper-colored, then bluish, haze. It seemed a flat disk with an upturned edge. And at the ten mile level the sky appeared a deep, dark blue."

People have been known to delude themselves in not seeing the observational evidence right in front of them. I imagine there was a curve but he did not want to see it.

Flat Earther's have posted the famous dogcam footage as proof that there is no curve. However, there is a huge problem. They actually distorted the image. The footage is stretched so as to make the Earth look flat. You can see this easily because the sun is distorted beyond being a normal sphere that we see every day.

This was before NASA, before the operation "high Jump" and "operation Fish bowl of the Lord" before all the powers of this earth realized that there was a problem with reality......

So..yep... I may defend the FE view... but this is only because the so called "evidence" being presented.. doesn't wash.. I know.. I've studied it, researched it... and it doesn't add up...

I don't believe in the FE as of yet... but something is seriously wrong with the globe model and reality...

There is nothing wrong with the Science that defends the reality of our round Earth, unless a person had a bad experience in their life and they are attempting to distrust people and or ignore reality (as a result).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sorry Jason, this is not the most perfect answer to your proof.. I am very limited on time today..

Check this video and go to the 4:00 mark to 5:32...

Well, I apologize. The sun does appear to get smaller. But it is not reducing in size in regards to perspective of distance, though. We can see with a solar filter that the sun is merely putting off more glare while high up in the sky, and when it sets, it appears to get smaller (not because of perspective) but because the atmosphere and pollution, etc. acts like a filter so we can see less glare on the sun.

Check out this video here of an Australian using a solar filter to show the actual size of the sun.

ytCropper | Reply to TruthNotTrolls Sturrock

You can also use the "offset refection" trick to get a real image of the sun alongside the giant flared image.

Source:
Sun apparently shrinking as it sets

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You may see it that way. An unhealthy trust in others. However, what if belief in the last 40 years of NASA, the military and government, is an unhealthy belief.. a blind faith in three institutions that are known to lie.

I don't have a blind trust in government. I am first a citizen of God's kingdom; And I am told to love not the world, neither the things in the world.

I also believe the government is capable of lying; However, there would have to be a motive. Covering up the truth about what our planet looks like holds no real value for our government. It would not make any sense to lie to the public about that. Especially if we were in some kind of space race. I mean, not only would you have to include America in on this conspiracy, but you would have to include other countries who have footage of the Earth up in space, as well.

White Sands Missile Range 1950. The body of the film goes on to scenes of an early-day V-2 missile tests. Following brief sequences of technological "firsts" achieved at White Sands, e.g., missile-borne camera shots of the Earth. Before the time of the GoPro Fisheye lens, scientists were mounting mainly rectilinear lens cameras as the one used in this video. The viewers can clearly see that at ground level the horizon is straight, not until the rocket rises above 50 000 feet we begin to see the curvature of Earth.

I consider the Bible to be true and a solid truth.. in fact it trumps any of the musings of the minds of men... IMO

The struggle I initially had was when I was arguing with an atheist when they told me that the Bible described the earth as flat... They challenged the truth of the Bible an my faith in this truth by presenting what they understood by reading scripture... now this is an atheist by the way... as a description of a flat earth..

They told me that "if you believe the bible, then you must believe the earth is flat"

This started my self reflection.. just so happened that this was when the FE started to become a hot topic.

Atheists have no understanding from the Spirit of God when they read the Bible. They see contradictions in the Bible where none exists. They see God as a moral monster, but they are not reading Scripture correctly. Let me correct that. They don't want to read Scripture correctly because they prefer their life without God so they can hold on to their sin. Atheists (even many Christians) do not apply a thing called proper hermeneutics. However, one cannot ignore context, metaphors, and cross references. The Bible in no way says the Earth is literally flat or a flat disk. People read into Scripture in what they want to see. But what about Isaiah that says that God sits upon the circle of the Earth? (Isaiah 40:22). Maybe it is talking about how God can sit upon the equator (Which is a circle). God is Omnipresent. He could easily do it. Besides, a ball is also a circle when viewed from it's various sides. Besides, Isaiah 44:7 says the people are grass. Are we to assume that people are literally grass?

The Septuagint (LXX) (Which is the ancient translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek) translates the Hebrew word that is for circle ("chug") within Isaiah 40:22 into the Greek word “gyros.” Gyros is defined as a turning sphere, or something revolving. This is also where the word “gyroscope” comes from (Which is a rotating spinning wheel on it's axis).

Actually, if you were to ever meet me.. I trust people, at their word.. too easily.

I only distrust a person, or source, when they have been shown to be dishonest or disingenuous.

Remember... Satan tells us lies but mixes them with truth.....

But you are not thinking like a detective. What is the motive behind the government and every other world government that has been to space have to gain in covering up the observable evidence of what our planet looks like?

If you don't have a plausible motive, then the theory is just that. A theory that is unfounded.

Well, thanks for the psychology lesson.. however, I was born in a Christian home, to parents that I could trust to do exactly as they said that they would, give me what they said I would get, not get anything that I was told I could not have.. all the time.

In fact, much to my dismay, at times... I always got what they told me I would get...whether good or bad....

So..... I have been raised with an expectation that others will do what they say they are going to do and do it as they say they were going to do it.. Not only that, but if they say they did something.. I believe that they have done exactly that.

However, play a tape of someone telling me the opposite.. show me a video of them doing something that is opposite to what they are portraying.... or, if I observe something that doesn't match with what I have been taught.. They will lose integrity and I will take everything else that they portray as questionable.

That does not mean they are constantly lying 24/7 about everything. Besides, we have tons of Scientific observational evidences that confirm a round Earth. So we know they are not faking the photos or the videos up in space. We know satellite companies are not faking it, either. We know captains and pilots are not lying when they rely upon the curvature of the Earth with GPS navigational systems. We know people in Antarctica are not lying about being there or how there is 24 hours of sunlight there sometimes. We know people are not lying about how the stars appear to spin from our vantage point differently between the North pole vs. the South pole. It is just too much or too unbelievable to have that many people in on a deception to cover up a Scientific observation of our own reality. For what purpose or reason? It does not even seem remotely plausible.

I see your situation as why you want to believe in un-Science because you are seeking to defend yourself against an Atheist and that you are standing up for what you believe the Bible says. But read the passages in context. Read the chapter with no scientific agenda. Just get a feel for what the whole message is saying without the Science involved. Yes, it is true. Science is not in conflict with the Bible. However, the atheist you were arguing with does not know what the Bible is about anymore than a german shepherd knows anything about rocket Science. Oh wait. You believe billions spent on rocket Science is a part of the deception.

I will take the "believe half of what you see and question anything that you hear"

This basically boils down to me believing more of what I actually see than what others tell me that I will see.

But you said before that you tend to easily trust a person.

 

[JacksBratt]

All these groups think they believe in Jesus and they think they lead people to Jesus.

Um.......... who are you to say that these people "think" they believe in Jesus?
Who are you to say that these people "think" they lead people to Jesus?

As for the FE'ers, who come to Christ... since the FE or globe earth is not a prerequisite for salvation... who are you to say that they are not "real" Christians..

The way I see it.. if the FE caused them to look at scripture and believe it is the "gospel" truth.. and they have come to Christ as a result... I'm not going to fault them...

Sure, there are people out there with views that are obviously contrary to scripture.. but the FE... from some people's perspective.. is biblical... and they are now children of God due to that belief in God's word.

So just because someone says they are led to Christ by a certain method or way does not mean their method or way is correct or right.

Ya, you are right.. some come to Christ by odd events and views.... but, it's their fruit that will show their salvation... If they are solid believers in the gospel.. who am I to say that the path that brought them there is wrong.. unless it is sinful.

The Tide Pod Challenge belief and the Flat Earth belief are both beliefs that ignore reality.

In your opinion.. right?

Granted, one is more harmful to you than the other in the short term. But I see FE as having a bad long term harmful effect upon a person.

Actually, I never thought of this before... Just what long term harmful affect would there be on a FE believer?

It may seem harmless at first, but it is actually about the unhealthy trust of other human beings and how to not trust how the real world works.

This again, playing the devil's advocate, is a matter of opinion... belief in either the FE or globe will have absolutely no harmful affect, that I can see.

The last time I checked, getting people to believe in a Flat Earth is not a part of the gospel mentioned by Jesus, Peter, or Paul, etc.

I agree, the shape of the earth is not even close to being a factor.

When you say things like this, you really do not make me think you are on the fence in regards to the Earth being flat. It sounds like that is what you really believe.

What? It's just a simple question.. What if the deception started 500 years ago with Copernicus? Isn't that the whole issue here? Are we not testing the evidence?

It was either a YouTube video, a DVD, a book, a person talking to them live. Nobody just believes in a Flat Earth magically on their own without the crazier than a bag of cats Flat Earth un-Science and conspiracy theories.

You started well.. yep.. nobody just believes it.. In fact, I bet, they all did a double take and said "you cannot be serious" then laughed their butt off...

However, the people that I have listened to are not ignorant, not of low IQ and are not gullible... they are very observant and stable people.

Right. Real Science. Observable Science. Remember that experiment I told you to do?

Oh my goodness.. are we going back to the looking south is looking up nonsense...

Tell me.. the top of the back tire of my car moves toward the front while the bottom moves toward the rear... is the tire spinning the same direction or is the top moving a different direction than the bottom?

Sheesh.. this is giving me a headache.... The stars always move the same direction...always have... always will...... it' just that you are facing south or north.. Even in Toronto.. if I look up, with my back to the north.. the stars will move different than if I turn around and face the north star... Please stop. It matters not in the FE globe earth discussion anyway...

As for real observable science.. you keep dodging the fact that you can see objects far beyond the distance that is possible if the earth has a surface that curves 8 inches for every mile, squared... How do you fit that in. It is real science but contradicts the globe model as it is presented.

I believe it can be emotionalism that clouds their good judgment. People tend to believe and or do irrational things because of some tragic thing that has happened in their life.

Hmmmmm interesting. Well, they certainly must have something wrong with them, right? Well if they don't agree with what you believe, they must be damaged....

Sorry, not an argument that I consider to be valid.

This is the FE mantra. But what the FE's are failing to do is practice good Science. They start off with a false assumption. An unhealthy distrust of people and reality.

Again, these people are not gullible.. they have done their homework.... They start off with the same assumption that you do.. that this is crazy.. all of them... every single one begins with "ya, right, tell me another story".

Remember when I told you to contact those people in the South pole and the people in the North pole? Ah, forget it. We both know you really don't care to confirm this because you don't want it to be true. You want Flat Earth to be true, so you will sweep experiments like these under the carpet and forget about them.

Are we back to the rotation of the star again?

Again. Your not getting it. The video you had seen was a ship that was not below the horizon. They merely zoomed in on a boat that was already on the horizon line. I repeat. You need to find me a video that appears to have a boat half way covered by the sea or the horizon line and that by zooming in on it some more will magically make it re-appear. I mean, seriously. I fail to see how you cannot see the difference of what I am talking about here. Unless. Unless maybe you just don't want to see what I am talking about?

Oh I get it... Try this one:

*Face palm*

It does matter about how we perceive the movement of the stars on the North pole vs. the South pole. It matters because if it is true (and it is), then the Flat Earth model would simply not be true.

Oy vey.

No. It is still too subtle of a curve to see with the naked eye. Have you ever walked a mile before? It is really a long distance. It is 5,280 feet and your average laser on a scope can only go about 1,000 feet at night time.

There are many, many places, available to many many people where you can see distances of more than one, two, three and more miles. No curvature of 8 inches per mile squared can be observed.

The curve, by standard math, cannot be subtle. The catch 22 is.. in order for the earth to have a circumference of 24,901 miles... it MUST curve 8 inches per mile squared.. so by their own calculations, they create a curve that must be visible... over just a few miles.. To deny this and say that it can only be observed from heights higher than commercial flights, contradicts the rate at which it actually must curve. You cannot have it both ways...

Not true. Somebody sent up a camera on weather balloon with no fish eye lens and we can see that the Earth is curved.

You can see live video footage of our Earth at NASA here:

So, I guess we can start doing some "my video is better than yours" posts? If you have ever done photography.. the barrel effect of a lens can give distortion to the image..What is Distortion?

Now check out this flat horizon..Fair is fair ya know.

Some say that it was lost because they needed to cover up advanced technology or something of that nature or a hidden mission. However, I honestly believe the tapes were honestly non-retrievable due to incompetence. People do make mistakes and they are not perfect. So it is not outside the realm of possibility.

So, your explanation is "incompetence" at NASA that caused all.. that's all of the telemetry data from the most amazing feet of mankind, to be lost? Not just one real, not just a box.. but all of it.. gone...

My personal belief, in regards to this... The film was done in 1969 to late 1970's or thereabouts.... I think that with new technology, the flaws from these early years would have been blatantly obvious.

In my mind.. nothing NASA puts out is worth discussing.

People have been known to delude themselves in not seeing the observational evidence right in front of them.

Ya, I know, it's called cognitive dissonance... it is not an argument for either side, it applies to everyone, no matter what their belief.

QUOTE="Jason0047, post: 72444542, member: 356113"]

There is nothing wrong with the Science that defends the reality of our round Earth, unless a person had a bad experience in their life and they are attempting to distrust people and or ignore reality (as a result).

So, if the person had a bad experience in there life, then what?

There is everything wrong with "bad science" it should be exposed outright...no matter what it is defending or reporting to be true.

Thing is.. you think that the globe cannot possibly be backed by bad science, while I am in search of truth no matter what it exposes... Flat or ball.

 

[JacksBratt]

Well, I apologize. The sun does appear to get smaller. But it is not reducing in size in regards to perspective of distance, though. We can see with a solar filter that the sun is merely putting off more glare while high up in the sky, and when it sets, it appears to get smaller (not because of perspective) but because the atmosphere and pollution, etc. acts like a filter so we can see less glare on the sun.

Check out this video here of an Australian using a solar filter to show the actual size of the sun.

ytCropper | Reply to TruthNotTrolls Sturrock

You can also use the "offset refection" trick to get a real image of the sun alongside the giant flared image.

Source:
Sun apparently shrinking as it sets

Thank you for taking the step of noticing and admitting that the sun appears to get larger and smaller.. that is admirable.

One of the problems with taking pictures of the sun and moon with a camera, even in the videos of the ships on the horizon, it is very difficult to get a realistic view of the size of the image in real life..they always look tiny..

I wanted to get a picture of the full moon for my cell wallpaper.. one that I actually took myself.. turns out that it looks like a small dot.. just like the guy shows in the video..

We have all seen the sun, through thin clouds that allow us to still look at it. It is obvious that to the naked eye it looks bigger than it appears in his video...

One of these days I want to use a tripod,,, welder glass and a vernier caliper set to see if I can measure the actual size of the sun change.. but this will take some time as I am very busy with other real life stuff right now.

 

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Um.......... who are you to say that these people "think" they believe in Jesus?
Who are you to say that these people "think" they lead people to Jesus?

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (2 Corinthians 11:4).

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Matthew 24:24).

21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23).

The way I see it.. if the FE caused them to look at scripture and believe it is the "gospel" truth.. and they have come to Christ as a result... I'm not going to fault them...

You said, I quote:

"...if the FE caused them to look at scripture and believe it is the "gospel" truth..." ~ Jacks Bratt.​

Again, the FE message is NOT the gospel and nor is it gospel truth. The gospel is this:

1 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

And Sanctification (holy living) is always the result of the gospel (Which is a part of the salvation process).

13 "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:13-15).

For nobody can claim to live unholy and are still saved by having a mere belief alone.

Sure, there are people out there with views that are obviously contrary to scripture.. but the FE... from some people's perspective.. is biblical...

No. It is not! The Bible does not teach a flat Earth. People read what they think are FE verses and rip them out of the context to prove that is what it is saying. They need to ask God for the understanding on what those verses are really saying instead of trying to understand them with their human mind alone or what they prefer those verses to say so as to prove a belief that they find comforting for whatever psychological reason.

...and they are now children of God due to that belief in God's word.

You mentioned nothing about Jesus here and His death and resurrection. You said they have a belief in God's word and they are now children of God because of having a belief in God's word. A person can say they believe in the Bible and FE but they may not believe in the gospel. Believing in that the Bible is the Word of God or FE is not the requirement for salvation.

Ya, you are right.. some come to Christ by odd events and views.... but, it's their fruit that will show their salvation... If they are solid believers in the gospel.. who am I to say that the path that brought them there is wrong.. unless it is sinful.

The gospel being that we believe Jesus died and rose again for our salvation, and not FE right?

The Tide Pod Challenge belief and the Flat Earth belief are both beliefs that ignore reality.

In your opinion.. right?

I am sure I am not alone in that opinion. But the opinion is founded upon sound and reasonable Science that we can observe. Every evidence breathes in harmony together. But this is not the case with FE. You are forced into believing in contradictions or in doubting regular folk. You have to think people in the South pole are lying about the 24 hours of daylight and the stars rotating differently than those who view the stars in the North pole. You have to shield your eyes from basic things I say about ships dropping below the horizon line. You show videos that are unrelated of ships above the horizon line already. You think somehow these are the same things. So yes. I believe you are choosing to believe in unreality. Is it possible the government placed secret agents in the North pole and the South pole to lie to us and they spend billions as a part of a deception? It certain is possible, but it is highly unlikely because it is not believable or plausible that such a thing would happen.

Actually, I never thought of this before... Just what long term harmful affect would there be on a FE believer?

They seem to push FE as a part of their agenda more than they would the gospel within their life. Their life will be consumed with talking about FE when it should be on Jesus and His death and resurrection. It is fine to diverge on a topic every now and then to lead people to the truth on a particular thing, but we should always make Jesus and what He accomplished for us the main focus or priority of our life (along with loving our neighbor, i.e. everyone, especially the poor and our enemies).

This again, playing the devil's advocate, is a matter of opinion... belief in either the FE or globe will have absolutely no harmful affect, that I can see.

Of course you cannot see the harmful effects of FE because you are in support of it to a good degree. Nobody can see the harmful effects of something if they are doing backflips for that thing they are supporting.

The last time I checked, getting people to believe in a Flat Earth is not a part of the gospel mentioned by Jesus, Peter, or Paul, etc.

I agree, the shape of the earth is not even close to being a factor.

Whether you realize it or not, your wording before at one point made it sound like FE is the gospel or that simply believing the Bible is the requirement. Meaning, if I say to a person, "Do you believe this Bible?" If they shake their head "yes." I cannot say that they are then saved. They have to accept Jesus and ask for His forgiveness and believe that He died and rose on their behalf to be saved (Which then leads to a life of holiness).

What? It's just a simple question.. What if the deception started 500 years ago with Copernicus? Isn't that the whole issue here? Are we not testing the evidence?

We are able to make accurate astrological predictions based off the heliocentric model. Remember that solar eclipse last year? Yeah, astronomers predicted that using modern astronomy and not FE non-sense. Also, the fact that the Earth rotates around the sun makes sense if you were to even look at it spiritually, too. The sun is a metaphorical representation of Jesus and the Earth (the creation) revolves around the Son. Our whole life should revolve around Jesus Christ.

"But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall." (Malachi 4:2).

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." (John 8:12).

You started well.. yep.. nobody just believes it.. In fact, I bet, they all did a double take and said "you cannot be serious" then laughed their butt off...

Yes, and these would be the people who are thinking rationally because they are not so gullible to believe un-Science or conspiracy theories that are in no way remotely plausible.

However, the people that I have listened to are not ignorant, not of low IQ and are not gullible... they are very observant and stable people.

I disagree and so would the astronauts who have been to space and seen the curvature of the Earth. Oh, but right. They are in some kind of government conspiracy to cover up Science. Really!? Come on now.

Oh my goodness.. are we going back to the looking south is looking up nonsense...

Right. So the next time you are looking at a map with a compass or you are looking at the sun and a compass, you can totally disconnect the fact that you are going upwards on our planet (even though that is how it appears on a map and by perception in relation to the sun). Good luck with that, my friend.

Tell me.. the top of the back tire of my car moves toward the front while the bottom moves toward the rear... is the tire spinning the same direction or is the top moving a different direction than the bottom?

Not the same thing. Again. Try doing the experiment that I told you to do before. Please. Just do it. Indulge me. But you know what? I know you are not going to do it because you don't want to see the truth of reality. The FE is a comforting to people. They don't want reality. Reality has been harsh and cold to them. So they need fiction or unreality to give them comfort. I know. I used to enjoy watching fiction. It was a nice escape. But I have put away movie and TV watching. Yes, I posted a pic of Stargate, and I apologize for that. I do not want to promote things like that, really. In that moment, I wanted to show you how I felt. That pic perfectly represented the look on my own face.

Sheesh.. this is giving me a headache.... The stars always move the same direction...always have... always will...... it' just that you are facing south or north.. Even in Toronto.. if I look up, with my back to the north.. the stars will move different than if I turn around and face the north star... Please stop. It matters not in the FE globe earth discussion anyway...

Until you talk to people in the North pole and the South pole or unless you go to these two locations to observe this reality for yourself, your point is moot. I don't need to go there to know that what they are saying is true. I don't think the government has sent spies to these locations to do some kind of cover up of the truth on basic Science. It is just not plausible.

As for real observable science.. you keep dodging the fact that you can see objects far beyond the distance that is possible if the earth has a surface that curves 8 inches for every mile, squared... How do you fit that in. It is real science but contradicts the globe model as it is presented.

Well, I have not measured it to confirm it myself. If it matches up with GPS navigation systems and satellite imagery, then there is a good chance it is true. All I know is that the Earth does curve. What the measurements are is not that important to me. But you are making wrong assumptions about what you believe would happen if the Earth did curve in such a way. You think it would do that, but you did not have top Scientific evidence and other Scientists who actually know the Math better than you to do such tests.

I believe it can be emotionalism that clouds their good judgment. People tend to believe and or do irrational things because of some tragic thing that has happened in their life.

Hmmmmm interesting. Well, they certainly must have something wrong with them, right?

Yes.

Well if they don't agree with what you believe, they must be damaged....

In regards to their support of FE, I would say... yes. Nobody ignores reality unless they have some kind of psychological trauma or problem of some kind.

Sorry, not an argument that I consider to be valid.

How do you know? Did you interview them?

Again, these people are not gullible.. they have done their homework....

You are right. They are not gullible. They ultimately know it is not true and yet they distort basic real Science to suit their personal belief they know deep down is not true. They actually do not want reality. This little piece of fiction gives them comfort away from the cold harsh reality of life that they do not want to face.

They distort images and videos from NASA and other people to fit their belief.
They are dishonest in my opinion.

They start off with the same assumption that you do.. that this is crazy.. all of them... every single one begins with "ya, right, tell me another story".

It is true. When one denies basic observational Science that anyone can test for themselves with a rational mind is going into the realm of crazy. For crazy is when people ignore reality.

Are we back to the rotation of the star again?

Are you going to contact the people in the North and South pole to confirm the truth? Yeah, my guess is that would be a..... "no."

Anyways, I will have to reply to the rest of what you said later.
I gotta run.

May God bless you this fine day even though I disagree strongly with your support in FE.

With love to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Jason.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Oh I get it... Try this one:

Your still not getting what I said. I did not see any ship in that video where it was half covered by the horizon line whereby if a person zooms in on it, the ship then magically re-appears in full view.

Please take note that I muted the sound. I am not going to listen to drivel. This is a visual thing we are talking about here. You need to show me what I am requesting. If not, then this simply proves that what I am saying is true.

There are many, many places, available to many many people where you can see distances of more than one, two, three and more miles. No curvature of 8 inches per mile squared can be observed.

The curve, by standard math, cannot be subtle. The catch 22 is.. in order for the earth to have a circumference of 24,901 miles... it MUST curve 8 inches per mile squared.. so by their own calculations, they create a curve that must be visible... over just a few miles.. To deny this and say that it can only be observed from heights higher than commercial flights, contradicts the rate at which it actually must curve. You cannot have it both ways...

Right, because you been to another planet that has an obvious curvature (with you measuring it) to know the difference. Try making a 3D model in a computer program with people and buildings to scale and see if it works. Also, try a laser test across water. Do not trust your own eyes by doing a visual inspection. The Earth is too large for you notice up close. The curve is not noticeable until you get out of Earth’s orbit. The heart is deceitful. What you may think should be is not how things actually are.

So, if the person had a bad experience in there life, then what?

There is everything wrong with "bad science" it should be exposed outright...no matter what it is defending or reporting to be true.

Even if an FE person is shown the truth, I am sure they will find ways to deny it.

Thing is.. you think that the globe cannot possibly be backed by bad science, while I am in search of truth no matter what it exposes... Flat or ball.

Sorry. I don’t get the impression you are for the Earth being a sphere. You done nothing but primarily argue against it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thank you for taking the step of noticing and admitting that the sun appears to get larger and smaller.. that is admirable.

Thank you. I will admit when I am wrong. For I am not above observational evidences.

One of the problems with taking pictures of the sun and moon with a camera, even in the videos of the ships on the horizon, it is very difficult to get a realistic view of the size of the image in real life..they always look tiny..

I wanted to get a picture of the full moon for my cell wallpaper.. one that I actually took myself.. turns out that it looks like a small dot.. just like the guy shows in the video..

We have all seen the sun, through thin clouds that allow us to still look at it. It is obvious that to the naked eye it looks bigger than it appears in his video...

One of these days I want to use a tripod,,, welder glass and a vernier caliper set to see if I can measure the actual size of the sun change.. but this will take some time as I am very busy with other real life stuff right now.

I look forward to seeing your results. Just use proper eye protection (of course).

May God bless you today.