The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

[JacksBratt]

Okay. I just watched it after the 3:00 minute mark and eventually seen the boat. They did not show the boat appear to drop below the horizon like my photo below. You seem to think boats cannot drop below the horizon line. But what is this taking place here?

You have a nice picture of a boat going "over the horizon"... Nice..

I have showed you many pictures of boats that are still visible well beyond the point that they should be obscured by the curve of the earth....

Obviously, you cannot see the forest for the trees on this issue.

I really do not see his crazy views as being any more crazier than regular FE views. I see all flat Earth theories as nutty. No offense to you personally of course, my friend. I love you in Jesus Christ. But I simply do not love the belief.

There are always "degrees" of crazy....

However, you are showing your bias, again, by saying that there is no difference... FE, to you equals Crazy..

Until you can break the chains of cognitive dissonance... and start to see that there are some things, in this world, that do not add up, while others do.... and think for yourself... you will be stuck with this mindset.

 

[4x4toy]

Here, Jason... try this:

Pretend that you are in a row boat in the north Atlantic. You row south, facing the back of the boat, which means your are facing North... moving south..

You look up at the stars and see them moving from east to west..

Now, keep rowing...

At what point do they start to go the other direction?

Try again
I assume never JB
If you keep moving South past the Equator will you no longer see the North Star ?

 

[Netgear]

Flat earth believers in fact, actually believe the earth is a globe. Why? Because they keep going around and around and around spouting utter rubbish all the time.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Here, Jason... try this:

Pretend that you are in a row boat in the north Atlantic. You row south, facing the back of the boat, which means your are facing North... moving south..

You look up at the stars and see them moving from east to west..

Now, keep rowing...

At what point do they start to go the other direction?

You can tape cameras on a large beach ball and test and see the spin if you like. It's the same thing. I am not a Scientist but I know enough about Science that you can test things yourself (using your own model) so as to get an answer you are seeking. Right now, you are failing to grasp basic observational Science you can do in your own home. I do not think you grasp the concept of how things spin differently when you are on top of a ball vs. you being on the bottom of a ball (Remember that experiment I told you to do with you spinning looking up vs. looking down?). If you understood this basic observational fact that you can do in your own home, than you would not keep trying to question why the stars in North hemisphere rotates differently than the stars in the South hemisphere.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If you follow along the edge, you would have stopped moving south and you would be, now, moving east or west.

The south, whether an edge or a dome... still you can only go so far south.

Yes, you would be moving East or West, but you would still be at the farthest point called South on a Flat Earth map. That's the point I am trying to make. Unless of course you do not believe there is a thing called "True South" on a Flat Earth map. If such is the case, then you are helping me to destroy the concept of a Flat Earth and how silly it is. If such is the case, then... thank you.

For the drop off points in a round circle is not a point called South. If you could fly off Earth's edge out into space, then you would be infinitely flying forever. If you did this from a center point in all directions going outward, it would not be South but it would be going out in all directions from a center point. That is not true South. True South is going downwards. It is how we see such things on a map (Which in turn also reflects the reality of a real world when we zoom out to see our round spherical Earth).

The exact point on a Northern hemisphere is the North pole and the exact point on a Southern hemisphere is the South pole. They are invisible points by which the Earth spins upon or rotates gravitionally.

Why do we have maps in the first place? It certainly isn't to show North is up....

It shows a tangible representation of the geography and, sometimes the topography of the area.

Maps are for navigation... North is up as a default and standard..... not because North is the top of the globe...

When a map is displayed in the most realistic positions... it is when it is on a table... with North pointing real north.... Not "UP".

If you are on a globe (Which you are), technically going North would be going up on our planet.

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." (Job 26:7).

Okay. According to Flat Earthers, the center point is not the top of a globe, but it would be a small little center point in the middle of a flat circle. When I read Job 26:7, this does not make any sense. God says he stretches out the North in Job 26:7. This suggests that North is not just the center point or dot on a flat disk but it is the whole top part of a globe in this particular context.

You know before now, I did not think this verse refuted a Flat Earth, but now I can see that it clearly does. How so? God STRETCHETH out the North. This does not work on a Flat Earth model. God is hanging the Earth upon nothing (space) by the North that He stretches out. What region would be North on a Flat Earth map? Surely it is not stretched out. It is a point in the center of the circle according to FE's. If God stretches out the North, where exactly would this be on a flat Earth. Where is the cut off point? In my opinion, it would be the whole disk as being almost all North because there is no variation in change of the sky on a flat disk.

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree... God Bless you too.

Yes, it appears you want the Flat Earth concept to be true, contrary to the observable Scientific evidence we see around us. So yes. Let's agree to disagree if you do not want to dicuss this further.

May God bless you, too.

 

[4x4toy]

 

[JacksBratt]

Flat earth believers in fact, actually believe the earth is a globe. Why? Because they keep going around and around and around spouting utter rubbish all the time.

We can always count on one forum member who has nothing to add but condescending remarks.

Let me ask... why are you here...if you don't have anything to say but comments about the posters and their personal character.

 

[JacksBratt]

You can tape cameras on a large beach ball and test and see the spin if you like. It's the same thing. I am not a Scientist but I know enough about Science that you can test things yourself (using your own model) so as to get an answer you are seeking. Right now, you are failing to grasp basic observational Science you can do in your own home. I do not think you grasp the concept of how things spin differently when you are on top of a ball vs. you being on the bottom of a ball (Remember that experiment I told you to do with you spinning looking up vs. looking down?). If you understood this basic observational fact that you can do in your own home, than you would not keep trying to question why the stars in North hemisphere rotates differently than the stars in the South hemisphere.

OK... let's put this to bed.. No matter where you are on the earth.... if you look to the south... the stars, sun and moon will move from the left to the right.

Anywhere and everywhere, on this earth, if you look to the North, the sun, moon and stars will move from right to left...

Also... anywhere you go... except standing on the either one of the poles.... up is up, North is north and south is south...

If you stand exactly on the south pole... up is south
If you stand exactly on the north pole... up is north...

The sun ALWAYS rises in the east....
The moon also always rises in the east...
The stars follow the moon and the sun.... especially if their motion is determined by a spinning globe earth

So, due to the plain and simple fact that the movement of the sun, and stars, are dictated by the rotation of the earth... they cannot possibly go in a different direction at each pole. They go from east to west... ALWAYS...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

OK... let's put this to bed.. No matter where you are on the earth.... if you look to the south... the stars, sun and moon will move from the left to the right.

Anywhere and everywhere, on this earth, if you look to the North, the sun, moon and stars will move from right to left...

Also... anywhere you go... except standing on the either one of the poles.... up is up, North is north and south is south...

If you stand exactly on the south pole... up is south
If you stand exactly on the north pole... up is north...

The sun ALWAYS rises in the east....
The moon also always rises in the east...
The stars follow the moon and the sun.... especially if their motion is determined by a spinning globe earth

So, due to the plain and simple fact that the movement of the sun, and stars, are dictated by the rotation of the earth... they cannot possibly go in a different direction at each pole. They go from east to west... ALWAYS...

You are not looking at observational Science.
Did you do the experiment I asked you to do?
Did you spin looking up and spin looking down? Did you see the imaginary analog clock on the ceiling spin the same direction when looking at the imaginary analog clock while looking down (while you spin)? The hands on the imaginary clock on the ceiling should be a different spin than the one you see on the ground (if you keep to the same direction of spin).

The pont is that my home experiment works.
This would explain the spin being different when looking at the stars from the Northern hemisphere vs. the Southern hemisphere. But you want unreality (even if people from other parts of the world have video footage showing this fact with no agenda).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You have a nice picture of a boat going "over the horizon"... Nice..

I have showed you many pictures of boats that are still visible well beyond the point that they should be obscured by the curve of the earth....

Obviously, you cannot see the forest for the trees on this issue.

No. What you showed was a boat on the horizon (in full view) where a person zoomed out away from the boat whereby we cannot see it anymore.

You did not show footage of a boat or a building that appeared to be half below the horizon line with it magically re-appearing into full view by simply zooming in on it.

Take for example the image below.

We see a good portion of the building is covered by the horizon line. You can see the full picture of the building overlayed on top of it. Are you telling me that you have footage of us being able to see the bottom half of this building if we simply zoom in on it some more? That is what you are not understanding here.

 

[JacksBratt]

You are not looking at observational Science.
Did you do the experiment I asked you to do?
Did you spin looking up and spin looking down? Did you see the imaginary analog clock on the ceiling spin the same direction when looking at the imaginary analog clock while looking down (while you spin)? The hands on the imaginary clock on the ceiling should be a different spin than the one you see on the ground (if you keep to the same direction of spin).

The pont is that my home experiment works.
This would explain the spin being different when looking at the stars from the Northern hemisphere vs. the Southern hemisphere. But you want unreality (even if people from other parts of the world have video footage showing this fact with no agenda).

Jason...

Where does the sun rise in Australia? The east or the west?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason...

Where does the sun rise in Australia? The east or the west?

East. But that doesn’t prove that a flat Earth is correct. On the contrary, the sun rising from out of the East horizon disproves a flat Earth because the sun technically does not rise above the edge of a Flat Earth (i.e. flat disk). FE’s believe that the sun rotates in a circle above the flat disk they call Earth.

FE’s try to explain this by saying it is an illusion of perspective. But the sun does not shrink or get smaller as it drops below the horizon line (even if that was the case). FE’s would fail a basic Art class on 3D perspective. The reality on an FE is that the sun would not drop below the horizon line because that would be the drop off point of the Earth. If the Earth was a flat disk and the sun circled high above, we would never see a sunrise or sunset.

Think.

 

[Aldebaran]

In your quote you also stated:

However, you will not see a "fully shadowed" moon in the sky close to the sun. If it's fully shadowed, then it's not visible, by definition.

Which should be true, however, there have been well documented cases of the moon in full shadow while the sun is in full view.... of the same people.....

Sometimes I wonder why you ask.

What is your definition of "in full shadow"? If the sun is in the sky, the moon can be visible. If the moon were "in full shadow", how in your definition is that different from being lit? What is the shadow you're referring to?

 

[JacksBratt]

East. But that doesn’t prove that a flat Earth is correct.

I never said it did.

On the contrary, the sun rising from out of the East horizon disproves a flat Earth because the sun technically does not rise above the edge of a Flat Earth (i.e. flat disk). FE’s believe that the sun rotates in a circle above the flat disk they call Earth.

FE’s try to explain this by saying it is an illusion of perspective. But the sun does not shrink or get smaller as it drops below the horizon line (even if that was the case). FE’s would fail a basic Art class on 3D perspective. The reality on an FE is that the sun would not drop below the horizon line because that would be the drop off point of the Earth. If the Earth was a flat disk and the sun circled high above, we would never see a sunrise or sunset.

Think.

I'm growing tired of this..

Sorry, no offense..

Tell ya what... when we get to glory.. we can grab a bench and sit, talk and laugh about all the things we were wrong about when we were here on earth.

 

[JacksBratt]

What is your definition of "in full shadow"? If the sun is in the sky, the moon can be visible. If the moon were "in full shadow", how in your definition is that different from being lit? What is the shadow you're referring to?

Lunar eclipse is when the earth's shadow, from the sun's light.goes across the surface of the moon.

This is impossible.. if the sun has risen and is visible at the same time that the moon is in the shadow of the earth.

However, this has been recorded.. The moon is in the shadow of something.. while the sun has risen and is visible in the sky at the same time.

 

[Aldebaran]

Lunar eclipse is when the earth's shadow, from the sun's light.goes across the surface of the moon.

This is impossible.. if the sun has risen and is visible at the same time that the moon is in the shadow of the earth.

However, this has been recorded.. The moon is in the shadow of something.. while the sun has risen and is visible in the sky at the same time.

It sounds like you're referring to lunar phases. Notice that when the moon is "in shadow" during the time the sun is up, the shadowed portion is the side facing away from the sun, while the side facing the sun is illuminated by it. It's just like if you had a large ball sitting across the room from you and there was a lamp positioned to the side of it. You would see that the side of the ball facing the lamp is lit while the opposite side is "in shadow".

 

[BradB]

Okay. I just watched it after the 3:00 minute mark and eventually seen the boat. They did not show the boat appear to drop below the horizon like my photo below. You seem to think boats cannot drop below the horizon line. But what is this taking place here?

It was the kraken...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It was the kraken...

One FE person said that the sun is in another dimension or that there are two suns so as to explain the fact that there are 24 hours of daylight in Antarctica. So I would not put it past them to say such a thing in regards to ships dropping below the horizon line.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I never said it did.

Then what was your point and why are you arguing for a Flat Earth?

I'm growing tired of this..

Sorry, no offense..

Tell ya what... when we get to glory.. we can grab a bench and sit, talk and laugh about all the things we were wrong about when we were here on earth.

For me, this is an important topic at the moment to discuss. For if Christians are pushing a false belief in a Flat Earth, then they are creating an unnecessary offense on top of the gospel (Which is already an offense). Such a false belief can easily turn people away from even hearing the gospel to begin with. Anyways, I understand that is frustrating (and or a little overwhelming) to explain away many of the the evidences for our spherical Earth. If you don't want to continue to discuss it, I totally respect that, my friend.

In any event, may God bless you;
And may you please be well.

 

[JacksBratt]

It sounds like you're referring to lunar phases. Notice that when the moon is "in shadow" during the time the sun is up, the shadowed portion is the side facing away from the sun, while the side facing the sun is illuminated by it. It's just like if you had a large ball sitting across the room from you and there was a lamp positioned to the side of it. You would see that the side of the ball facing the lamp is lit while the opposite side is "in shadow".

No, I am talking about eclipses..

Here.. one video from FE and one from globe earth and their excuse as to why there are smoke and mirrors.. up there...

Tonight's lunar eclipse is so unique, it's "impossible"