The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

[JacksBratt]

I'm glad to hear you haven't arrived at a conclusion, even though your posts seem to indicate that you have. The idea that you haven't is the only reason I continue answering your questions.

The reason I continue is that many of the "proof's" that I see here are proof of nothing and the majority of the people continually display the fact that they have not made an effort to even research what they are presenting as truths.

This only amplifies the truth that: "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" - Albert Einstein

 

[Aldebaran]

LOL, good one, very observant.. however....... my point about the shadow had nothing to do with the Flat earth... It has to do with the fact that something is broken with the system that they are force feeding us..

And... It has not been explained.... by anyone...

You keep saying that even though I just got through explaining it to you. Here it is again:

The earth isn't the only thing blocking light from the sun reaching the moon during a lunar eclipse. The atmosphere surrounding the earth does so as well, but not as much in the red part of the spectrum, which penetrates better through the atmosphere's haze and humidity. That's why the moon appears red during full eclipse.

 

[JacksBratt]

Did you stand up when you zoomed in on the boats? Did you go to a higher elevation on your boat or your house when you zoomed in on them?

Jason... look man.... I would like to help. But, you have stated that you are not going to waste your time.

You said: "I am not going to investigate false drivel or conspiracy theories. Give me a real picture."

So, If you have not the time.... I'm not going to go and do it for you..

You seem to have plenty of time to contradict things that you know very little about.

I believe that you are suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance and you are comfortable in your ignorance.

Far be it for me to disturb you from your complacency.

When you decide, the answers are a google click away....

 

[JacksBratt]

You keep saying that even though I just got through explaining it to you. Here it is again:

This shows how I can see the moon in full shadow... while the sun is in full view?
This tells me how the moon's shadow is smaller than the moon itself?
This tells me why the shadow of the moon moves from west to east?

Sorry, I don't see it.

 

[Aldebaran]

This shows how I can see the moon in full shadow... while the sun is in full view?

This was something I also explained:

First of all, the sun is much further away than the moon. Therefore, when they appear to be close together in the sky, the sun is behind the moon, lighting up the back side of it. If it's further off to the side, you will see a crescent moon. However, you will not see a "fully shadowed" moon in the sky close to the sun. If it's fully shadowed, then it's not visible, by definition. And I'm sure you know full well what happens when the moon passes directly in front of the sun. You remember the eclipse last year, right?

I'm starting to wonder why I even bother answering in the first place.

 

[JacksBratt]

This was something I also explained:


I'm starting to wonder why I even bother answering in the first place.

In your quote you also stated:

However, you will not see a "fully shadowed" moon in the sky close to the sun. If it's fully shadowed, then it's not visible, by definition.

Which should be true, however, there have been well documented cases of the moon in full shadow while the sun is in full view.... of the same people.....

Sometimes I wonder why you ask.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason... look man.... I would like to help. But, you have stated that you are not going to waste your time.

You said: "I am not going to investigate false drivel or conspiracy theories. Give me a real picture."

So, If you have not the time.... I'm not going to go and do it for you..

You seem to have plenty of time to contradict things that you know very little about.

I believe that you are suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance and you are comfortable in your ignorance.

Far be it for me to disturb you from your complacency.

When you decide, the answers are a google click away....

You are avoiding my questions (Which does not bode well for your position). Did you stand up or go to a higher elevation when you zoomed in on the boats? Yes? or No?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason... look man.... I would like to help. But, you have stated that you are not going to waste your time. You said: "I am not going to investigate false drivel or conspiracy theories. Give me a real picture."

What are some things we both agree upon as being 100% absolutely true that is not under dispute?

1. The sky is blue on a clear and sunny afternoon day.
2. Rain is wet.

I am hoping these two things are not under dispute. But if somebody came along and said, the sky is not blue on a clear and sunny afternoon day and rain is not wet, then we have every right to denounce such statements as drivel because we know better. If somebody wanted to discuss this topic with us here, that would be one thing to try and talk and reason with them, right? But if they wanted us to check out long articles or watch videos on such drivel, it would be pointless because we both know the obvious fact on these two things.

So, If you have not the time.... I'm not going to go and do it for you.

Answering a "yes" or "no" here on the forums is not the same as asking me to investigate and read long articles and watch videos on false drivel. I have a feeling that your answer condemns you. So that is the real reason why you are not answering. Am I correct?

You seem to have plenty of time to contradict things that you know very little about.

I know enough about the Flat Earth model to refute it. It is all made up non-sense. Again, make a 3D model on a computer of a Flat Earth and you will see the same simulations I showed you.

Besides, you have no photos or video footage of the drop off points of the Earth. There is no photos or video footage of gunships preventing tourists from going to Antarctica. Yet, we have photos and videos of people capturing a round Earth and people visiting Antarctica.

Side Note:

Why is it that when Flat Earthers say they believe in both a spherical Earth and also a flat Earth as being potentially true they also talk in such an emotional die hard way about the Earth being flat?

I believe that you are suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance and you are comfortable in your ignorance.

I believe Flat Earth theorists either:

(a) Had a traumatic experience in their life so as to side with unreality.
(b) Felt hurt or cheated by the government and so they have an unhealthy distrust of anything to do with the government.
(c) Lived an isolated and lonely life and so they feel like they need to feel special and different so as to stand out to others (so as to gain attention that they never had before).

Far be it for me to disturb you from your complacency.

Again, do you dispute the sky as being blue and rain as being wet? No. Surely not. This has to do with people not dealing with reality here. I know you cannot see that now, but one day you will. I guarantee it.

When you decide, the answers are a google click away....

When you want to decide in finding the truth, making a flat Earth model in a 3D program or in real life to test what it looks like from the ground is just moments away within your life.

May God bless you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason... look man.... I would like to help. But, you have stated that you are not going to waste your time.

You said: "I am not going to investigate false drivel or conspiracy theories. Give me a real picture."

So, If you have not the time.... I'm not going to go and do it for you..

You seem to have plenty of time to contradict things that you know very little about.

I believe that you are suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance and you are comfortable in your ignorance.

Far be it for me to disturb you from your complacency.

When you decide, the answers are a google click away....

One more time.

Did you stand up or go to a higher elevation when you zoomed in on the boats?

It's a simple "yes" or "no" answer.
This has nothing to do with having to research and read anything like you wanted me to do.

Yes? or No?

That is all you need to reply with.

Please take note that if you don't answer, this makes you look guilty because it makes it seem like you have something to hide.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Dear Jacks Bratt:

If you didn't stand up or go to higher elevation, did you allow a significant amount of time to pass before zooming in? If so, that would change the experiment because the boat could have came back towards the shore (or towards your direction).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Dear Jacks Bratt:

You also cannot use boats that are right on the horizon line where it is already in full view, either. That is cheating if you are doing that. You have to use examples of a ship that is obscured half way by the horizon line and when there is no intense waves out. No zoom on any camera, binoculars, or telescope is going to bring the other half of the boat back into view unless you change your elevation and stand up or go to higher ground.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Great video on refuting the false un-Scientific claims by Flat Earth theorists in regards to ships going down in the horizon and the sun setting.

 

[JacksBratt]

You are avoiding my questions (Which does not bode well for your position). Did you stand up or go to a higher elevation when you zoomed in on the boats? Yes? or No?

No. And, standing up would not make one bit of difference. It would be moving my line of site from say 3.5 feet to 5.75 feet... This is not a significant amount of elevation change to see a ship reappear or to see a sun set again.

Proof is here:

You might like this one:

And, one more: You can find them all over the place.. Nikon P900 cameras are great for proving this. They have an awesome zoom.

 

[JacksBratt]

The first link didn't work

Try this:

 

[JacksBratt]

What are some things we both agree upon as being 100% absolutely true that is not under dispute?

1. The sky is blue on a clear and sunny afternoon day.
2. Rain is wet.

I am hoping these two things are not under dispute. But if somebody came along and said, the sky is not blue on a clear and sunny afternoon day and rain is not wet, then we have every right to denounce such statements as drivel because we know better. If somebody wanted to discuss this topic with us here, that would be one thing to try and talk and reason with them, right? But if they wanted us to check out long articles or watch videos on such drivel, it would be pointless because we both know the obvious fact on these two things.

Answering a "yes" or "no" here on the forums is not the same as asking me to investigate and read long articles and watch videos on false drivel. I have a feeling that your answer condemns you. So that is the real reason why you are not answering. Am I correct?

I know enough about the Flat Earth model to refute it. It is all made up non-sense. Again, make a 3D model on a computer of a Flat Earth and you will see the same simulations I showed you.

Besides, you have no photos or video footage of the drop off points of the Earth. There is no photos or video footage of gunships preventing tourists from going to Antarctica. Yet, we have photos and videos of people capturing a round Earth and people visiting Antarctica.

Side Note:

Why is it that when Flat Earthers say they believe in both a spherical Earth and also a flat Earth as being potentially true they also talk in such an emotional die hard way about the Earth being flat?

I believe Flat Earth theorists either:

(a) Had a traumatic experience in their life so as to side with unreality.
(b) Felt hurt or cheated by the government and so they have an unhealthy distrust of anything to do with the government.
(c) Lived an isolated and lonely life and so they feel like they need to feel special and different so as to stand out to others (so as to gain attention that they never had before).

Again, do you dispute the sky as being blue and rain as being wet? No. Surely not. This has to do with people not dealing with reality here. I know you cannot see that now, but one day you will. I guarantee it.

When you want to decide in finding the truth, making a flat Earth model in a 3D program or in real life to test what it looks like from the ground is just moments away within your life.

May God bless you.

You can assume all that you want about why some people believe one view or another until the cows come home. You will not be correct.

Well, you may be correct with some..

For the most part, the FE'ers that are solid and have absolutely no issue with stating that they are flat earth believers.... many are Christians, some are Christians now that they have converted to believe in the flat earth.

100% of flat earth believers started out with the "go on" and "you cannot be serious" attitude. Yes, they laughed their selves silly with the notion.

The other thing that 100% of the true FE believers have in common is that they tossed out years, some 1/2 of a century of learned and taught views... to accept something that is totally against all the things we are taught.

One final thing, of the many, that 100% of the FE believers have in common.. they researched and studied all the data they could find. Somewhere along the line, something stuck out, they grabbed it and it, for whatever reason, caused them to have a spark of belief. Further investigation caused them to believe.

They did not get that way by looking at what others have showed them and balking.

They may have started there.. but... sooner or later they started legitimate research that would allow them the right to argue... not like those who see a couple of things, don't investigate anything themselves and continue to spout what they have been taught since they were 4 years old.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No. And, standing up would not make one bit of difference. It would be moving my line of site from say 3.5 feet to 5.75 feet... This is not a significant amount of elevation change to see a ship reappear or to see a sun set again.

Proof is here:

You might like this one:

And, one more: You can find them all over the place.. Nikon P900 cameras are great for proving this. They have an awesome zoom.

This is just not true. The first video did not work. I turned the sound off and looked the other two videos briefly. I did not see that zooming in brought the boat back into view as you claimed. You also must be seeing things. Please show me at what minute numbers in at least one of the last two videos whereby you see the full view of the boat that is half disappeared by the horizon line magically reappear back into view from the horizon when it is zoomed in on.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The first link didn't work

Try this:

You cannot cheat. You cannot choose objects that are right on the horizon. You have to choose ships or buildings that are half covered by the water (with no intense waves) and you need to show that by zooming in more on them makes the lower half reappear.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The first link didn't work

Try this:

Yeah, I believe Discovery Channel over what Flat Earthers say. The Discovery Channel went out just 3 miles on a boat and the laser was shining on a board 6 feet higher.

 

[JacksBratt]

Yeah, I believe Discovery Channel over what Flat Earthers say. The Discovery Channel went out just 3 miles on a boat and the laser was shining on a board 6 feet higher.

Of course.. because, if the discovery channel showed the water to be flat, with no curve for miles... they would air that show right away..... LOL

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Of course.. because, if the discovery channel showed the water to be flat, with no curve for miles... they would air that show right away..... LOL

Actually, I was quickly scanning part of a video of some folks who were thought they were debunking the Discovery Channel video. I don't believe the FE's dubunk of the Discovery Channel. Why? Well, they say crazy things that are unprovable. They say there are gunships preventing people from going to Antarctica. Come on now. That is silly. Do you believe that? Then there are the drop off points of the Earth. Has anyone seen them? No.

Again, you don't need a laser to prove the Earth is round. Ships sink below the horizon line and no zoom on any camera or telescope is going to make the lower half of the object that is below the horizon to magically re-appear. I want clear video footage showing me this. So far, I have not seen any such footage.