Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament

Do you think enclosed flat earth is possible from scripture, or think it's IMPOSSIBLE?

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Now tell us the one about how the bishop's mitre is actually a "dagon fish hat" and how the Vatican used time-traveling Jesuits to invent Islam.

-CryptoLutheran
I haven't been indoctrinated that far yet. You just keep thinking you have a say as to how thing are controlled and manage. Yep, "the people" rule the world. Go watch some cartoons. :|
 
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I don't usually participate in serious stuff on here. I go to these site to just play. But I am going to comment on this topic. It is my personal belief that much of this Flat Earth subject was brought to the fore on the internet by trolls wanting to bring division among Christians. I don't think it is an organized conspiracy.

This is not a salvic issue. It is a matter of how one interprets the biblical text. But it is a divisive issue that can lead to name calling and other polemics. Our focus should be winning the lost. Not wrangling about words.

Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. -- 2 Timothy 2:14
Then all religious doctrines and teachings of all the different denominations shouldn't discuss scripture either, by that reasoning. It's only divisive when it's not researched. Nobody can give an informed opinion without researching it. I see no actual harm done by discussing it with the intent to learn and not bicker and attack people personally.

It's why I've asked for the science and technology to go to a different thread and only scripture and Christian related content here. Not many have done that yet so I end up posting science and conspiracy theories i this thread.
 
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Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. -- 2 Timothy 2:14

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The lines of separation between the sheep and the goats has never been so clearer.
 
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Now tell us the one about how the bishop's mitre is actually a "dagon fish hat" and how the Vatican used time-traveling Jesuits to invent Islam.

-CryptoLutheran
I will discuss the conspiracy theories and flat/globe science and technology etc. in my Conspiracy thread and I won't insult or get smart. I'll try to answer you questions seriously the best I can. I'm not a reptoid or a holocaust denier, I don't get carried away with my thinking. I always think of God and scripture when I discuss these things.

I'm not making the Bible say what I want either, I read what God tells us plainly and clearly with the words He chooses. Many Christians interpret the same way I do so you can associate me paranoid delusional nut cases if that helps you reconcile those false associations. As my OP says, I'd like this thread to be Biblical and anything else about flat earth or secret proceedings of well known "organizations" controlling the masses.
 
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1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The lines of separation between the sheep and the goats has never been so clearer.
2 Peter 3:3-7
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
 
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I once used to laught at flat earthers even using Bible to disprove it and after reading countless stupid arguments i realised that they were right .
You're one out of every 10,000. I'm guessing. I think you're saying that after you researched and combined the plainly worded scripture you think it's it is POSSIBLE, Like me?
 
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Now tell us the one about how the bishop's mitre is actually a "dagon fish hat" and how the Vatican used time-traveling Jesuits to invent Islam.

-CryptoLutheran
Freemason leader quote :
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Were you able to discern that Eric Dubay is also:

a) A Hitler apologist?
b) A Holocaust denier?
c) A 9/11 Truther?
d) An Atlantis Believer?
e) Thinks Timothy McVeigh was innocent?
f) Believes the dollar sign ($) is a secret code that the US Government is totally in league with ISIS?
g) Believes in Sovereign Citizen teachings that the US is a corporation, not a nation?
h) Thinks that since we have Birth Certificates, under Admiralty Law (because of gold-fringed flags), we are legally boats? ("Berth" Certificate!!!!!)
i) Doesn't think nuclear weapons are real?
j) Thinks there are FEMA camps that are there to be used as re-education and execution camps?
k) Thinks that unknown and mysterious "super-tech" was used to build many of the world's pyramids?
l) Says dinosaurs never existed?
m) Thinks a sinister cabal of Jews is running the world?
*(This is all stuff on his personal website, by the way, not stuff randomly spouted at him by others. And there's more, of course.)

If that's the leading expert of your field, you really need to get a better leading expert.
I believe that if you search anybody, you will find that they disagree with history, are wrong about one of their concepts or basically hold some view that doesn't line up with the rest of the populous.

You cannot say that because "Person X" believes "Concept Y" that all of what they say is wrong.

I had a teacher in grade 7 that told us that once humming birds start flying they never stop.. true story. My friend told the class that he saw one sitting on his clothes line at home and she said he was mistaken it for another bird. When he persisted, she just about sent him to the principal.

She also told us that North American Natives didn't have to shave because they never started in the first place. And.... once they started.. they all had to shave....

Now.... should I toss out all the other true history she taught me? Or just accept that nobody is right all the time and I should never say someone doesn't know anything about Submarines because they are not a pilot.


It is up to us to TEST EVERYTHING. and..........people are.
 
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I believe that if you search anybody, you will find that they disagree with history, are wrong about one of their concepts or basically hold some view that doesn't line up with the rest of the populous.

You cannot say that because "Person X" believes "Concept Y" that all of what they say is wrong.

I had a teacher in grade 7 that told us that once humming birds start flying they never stop.. true story. My friend told the class that he saw one sitting on his clothes line at home and she said he was mistaken it for another bird. When he persisted, she just about sent him to the principal.

She also told us that North American Natives didn't have to shave because they never started in the first place. And.... once they started.. they all had to shave....

Now.... should I toss out all the other true history she taught me? Or just accept that nobody is right all the time and I should never say someone doesn't know anything about Submarines because they are not a pilot.


It is up to us to TEST EVERYTHING. and..........people are.
1 John 4:1-9 KJV -
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
 
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What did he actually see? The "quote" is in an unscientific popular magazine and its attribution is not backed up by any further statements of Piccard himself.
Typical... if you cannot prove the person wrong or the statement they made........ attack the medium it is presented in.

Please... you can do better than that. I believe he saw exactly what he said that he saw... no blurred vision, no warped glass porthole that morphed a round spinning planet into a flat disc with upturned edges... Please... please, you guys have go to have a better retort that these. The man was ahead of his time..

Ask yourself this......

Why did you never ever hear of this guy in school?????

Spoiler alert.... he talked about the earth being different than what the academics were force feeding you and they didn't know how to explain him away.... so..... just don't mention him in school... problem solved.
 
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NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant globe spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged “Big Bang” cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That’s a grand total of 670,568,000 mph in several different directions we’re all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously. No one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven such motion, yet the vast majority of people unquestioningly accept that the clearly motionless Earth beneath their feet is actually moving over six hundred million miles per hour!


I agree..

One more point on this...

If we are in fact moving in all these directions..at all these different speeds and orbits....

How do all the stars and constellations stay EXACTLY the same for thousands of years?
 
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Oh, I'm certain that, aside from some collaborators, most flat-earthers aren't trying to hurt anyone. But that doesn't mean they aren't being used to weaken us.
Fair enough..

However, one could also ask.... what if the whole heliocentric model is being used to weaken us?

Where are we to turn when we have questions of this magnitude... most Christians turn to the Bible for truth... Then... the bible shows a snow globe.....
 
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Another question: Why are the stars on the other side of the world completely different than what we see in the northern hemisphere? We can't see the Large and small Megellanic cloud galaxies in America. They're not visible here. But if you travel to the other side of the earth, you can. You'll also see the stars rotating around a completely different point in the sky. How can these things be explained?

Good question, however, should we not exchange night time views as the seasons change? In the summer we should see the constellations that are hidden by the sun in winter as we then face a totally different 180 degrees different sky at night? And this should repeat each summer and winter... different season, different point in the orbit of the sun, different night sky.... on and on.
 
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Oh, there'll be an explanation--even if it's only that you were somehow duped by anti-Christian conspirators. Like, those were fake stars you saw in the (falsely so-called) Southern Hemisphere.
It always amazes me how some posters just cannot contain themselves to just answering questions.

Nope, they must interject, interrupt and give a "forward" to the upcoming answer from the person who should be answering... and do it in a snide condescending manner , when, in fact they are totally in no position to give any kind of intelligent contribution to the context the upcoming answer or to the purpose of the question.

Well done ole chap.
 
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If the gravity of the Earth is strong enough, then people and objects wouldn't be flung off the Earth. If the spinning speed was greater, then we'd weigh less. If it were greater still, then we could be flung off. Likewise, if the speed of the rotation were reduced, we would weigh more because gravity would then have a greater influence than the rotation. If we had little or no gravity, then we'd have been flung off the earth long ago.

This is a good point..
Now, if the earth is a spinning ball, all points must rotate once every 24 hours. Now, this means that someone at the equator must be moving much faster than someone in Alaska...

If gravity is the same everywhere... why do we not weigh more in Alaska due to the reduced centrifugal force?
 
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I agree..

One more point on this...

If we are in fact moving in all these directions..at all these different speeds and orbits....

How do all the stars and constellations stay EXACTLY the same for thousands of years?


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I once used to laught at flat earthers even using Bible to disprove it and after reading countless stupid arguments i realised that they were right .

At the point you were led to believe in your mind that they were right as you stated, you unwittingly admit to being reprogrammed, not according to the Holy Bible you used to disprove them, for that is what you stated in your last breath.

In other words what you are confessing as an individual is, that for the majority of your life, you had lived in a false reality and had believed a lie, until you were indoctrinated to embrace something that was not according to what you knew, learned, discovered and experienced and kept by faith (Bible).

So, please explain to us all, with reference to the majority of your life, previously before your conversion, what state of mind were you in as an individual?

An honest answer, if you still hold to your confession is, to say that you lived and breathed a lie and that you were living a lie, until the point you were indoctrinated, right?

The above inquisitive reply question, is in response to your confession after all, according to your statement.

So who is it that you call stupid, who make stupid arguments against the flat earth doctrine?

After all, you said.....

"I once used to laught at flat earthers even using Bible to disprove it and after reading countless stupid arguments i realised that they were right ."

Do you see your confession as whimsical?

Because, when I read your reply, I can spiritually discern the before and after reflection of yourself, from your own confession, as follows...

"I once used countless stupid arguments"


Ironic......maybe

So what did they do to you after you denied yourself and fell for their indoctrination?

Since, your claim, from your confession is, that you no longer belong within the "stupid arguments" circle?

I have no desire to discuss you, but only reply to your own confession. We need to establish motive here, because if there isn't one, then you my friend are a victim of indoctrination.

My advice to you is, go back to that individual who trusted people and has comfort in what he knew, was taught, experienced and embraced by faith (Bible).

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Timothy 3)

Obviously to deny your upbringing from a child you once were, until your indoctrination, is quite disconcerting to say the least. Just consider the scripture above and why Apostle Paul would describe these individuals as follows.....

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Every form of godliness that denies the individual's upbringing and questions reality, according to scripture it declares that that individual has succumb to a demonic deceiving spirit.

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. (1 Timothy 4:1)
 
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