Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament

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[patrick jane]

Thanks for helping so many lost souls.

 

[brinny]

....just wondering....(and sorry if you already covered this and i possibly missed it)

Where is the "edge" of this flat earth?

More questions coming up.

 

[majj27]

a) The holocaust did not kill 6 million Jews and OTHER people died as well, he is not a "denier", as nobody can deny what Hitler did and what his plans.
c) 9/11 was coordinated with many agencies and Israeli operatives. It was an inside job, not 16 young terrorists. I'm with him on that.
d) Atlantis could have existed. It was written about and not as fiction.
e) Timothy McVeigh did not cause the massive explosions, plural, with fertilizer and ammonia. He made a bomb but explosives were planted before McVeigh did his thing. Partial patsy.
f) The dollar and other bills do have symbols and meanings that are not widely known by the average person that uses cash, nobody pats attention.
g) I know nothing about that but he's probably correct.
h) Makes no sense to me, I'd need more context.
i) They are not as powerful and destructive as they'd have us believe. Research that, you'll see.
j)I believe he's correct.
k) The pyramids were not built by man alone.
l) Dinosaurs are FAKE. Any dinosaur type animals did exist 60,000,000 years ago. Research that.
m) They and the Jesuits, Freemasons, Skull and Bones, Illuminati and unknown groups and organizations DO control everything. Wake up !!

Looks to me like you DID NOT RESEARCH ANY OF YOUR POINTS. He is one of the most knowledgeable Flat Earthers I've seen and heard so far. Have you watched a video? A whole one? I think you think you've exposed me as a fraud or that Eric Dubay lies about everything but you actually haven't. If you research any or all of your finding about Dubay, you might change your mind. I pointed out that he's not a Christian, that's what I knew for sure about him.

That's exactly what he and his reptoid masters WANT you to think. The more they can get people to doubt reality, the less we will be prepared to resist their domination.

 

[majj27]

IT'S NOT A DISC !!! Here are some depictions, one is ancient Hebrew and the others will be possible shapes and forms. I repeat, NOT A DISC OR A FLAT DISC. The problem with the second one is that it doesn't show enough white around the edges. There would be thousands of miles icy land beyond the ice wall and maybe not enough of the foundations of the earth. You have to keep in mind these are not to scale because earth is so massive.

Naturally that's what the reptoids want you to think. After all, if the earth is flat and covered by a Holy Dome of Protection, why would we need to defend from attacks coming from space?

An undefended world is a world they can take easily.

 

[patrick jane]

Fair enough.
I may consider creating one.

May God's love shine upon you.

Plagiarism the Flat Earther's forte. Why would one even need to discover things themselves, why not just rip out content and context from NASA, astronauts, scientists and researchers and then use it against them, whilst not bothering to credit their work.

It is a credulace spirited game, bent on smeering the authors, whilst using their content and not bothering to credit their work.

Please create a globe proof thread, we need one. I won't troll yours and tell you how lost and crazy and fraudulent it is either. You might get a lot of participation. The work is credited, even work from the 1800s and much older. All documented and credited. I feel sorry for folks that use God's name to warn people of danger that doesn't exist and contradicting the word of God. You love your science and you love your "planet" and I understand completely. A typical reaction is to condemn the whole concept (which is in the Bible), and talk trash to discredit the possibility. If you already know the globe like the back of your hand then there's no need to pay attention. But your "goal" is to "bring people" to Christ, so how do you do that in your own life? Post scripture, Google some commentary and interpretations from credited sources? I think Jesus Christ does a great job Himself.

Much of this "work" has never been done before because nobody ever questions science and the earth. New proofs and truths are being realized every day as we type. You can warn others all you want in this thread or your own but it won't change a thing. People are either interested or they're not, either think it's possible or they don't. Even fewer from both camps will spend any time researching or absorbing flat earth proof. Spend your time as you choose, as most adults here do. You're doing nothing but "smearing". I deal with it everyday.

John 12:32 KJV - And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

 

[JacksBratt]

a) Did he see the entire disk, including the Totally Secret Ice Wall? No? Doesn't count then.

Firstly, it's not a "totally secret ice wall". It's a rim of ice that "supposedly" surrounds the entire circumference of the flat earth.

Secondly, you're of reasonable intelligence. How high do you think you would have to be, in order to see from one side of a flat earth, to the other, given the dimensions of the distances from the south pole to the north pole, on the globe. Maybe 3000 miles?

Your request is not realistic, at this point.

b) He thought it was flat because he was looking through warped portholes.

Oh...mmm gosh.... How stupid of me.... This well educated intelligent man must have just... how did you put it? made a mistake due to looking through a warped porthole...

So, where did you investigate to find that the portholes were "warped". Who are you to say that he didn't see what he said that he saw?

This is very poor and unsupported "sour grapes" response.

c) Will you take me up high enough to see the entire disk, including the Totally Secret Ice Wall?

Again, how high would that be? See my response to your point A.

Also... why don't you call NASA and get them to do this, next time they fake a rocket to our "outer space" and tell them to use a real camera... not some yuppy hipster skateboarders "go pro" with a fish eye lens. Oh ya, and tell them to do it UNEDITED and CONTINUOUS with no breaks or cuts to other cameras... all the way from launch to space.....

By the way... good luck. All rockets go straight up, then curve to level flight and then come down in the ocean.

Piccard's confusion is being used by Big Flat Earth in order to keep us from building the space-based defenses that are our only hope against the Reptoid masterminds behind the Illuminati. They want us ignorant and ground based.

So now it's "Piccard's Confusion"... hmm well played.. you win... what have I got to counter a fellow poster stating that this past man of impeccable scientific ability, is a confused individual.

You must be right.. Oh, ya, and the "Big Flat Earth" is using this solid testimony to counter a, well some gibberish about reptiods?..

Ya, that's it... you have just exposed every flat earth agenda... Pack er up boys were exposed.


This is total nonsense. A man of great means was the first to go to this altitude and then state what he saw.....

The rest of the world has nothing better than to say that he was confused? His window was warped?

Why listen to what someone actually saw?

 

[patrick jane]

That's exactly what he and his reptoid masters WANT you to think. The more they can get people to doubt reality, the less we will be prepared to resist their domination.

Teir domination? LOLOLOL, hilarious. Just the opposite. It may not happen in our lifetime but it's coming. Too many people are questioning "official" science and history and too many people have information at their fingertips. If you think flat earth type people are trying to "take over" the "planet" then maybe you're more delusional than you say I am.

 

[Speedwell]

Why listen to what someone actually saw?

What did he actually see? The "quote" is in an unscientific popular magazine and its attribution is not backed up by any further statements of Piccard himself.

 

[patrick jane]

That's exactly what he and his reptoid masters WANT you to think. The more they can get people to doubt reality, the less we will be prepared to resist their domination.

Eric Dubay is not my hero or my go to guy on anything but FE. I couldn't care less what else he whines about. I know he's telling the truth in his FE videos because he sites document credited and proven tests from history and the present. So you can group me and authentic flat earthers with reptoids and the Flat Earth Society (which we have nothing to do with), if you think you're doing your job and sleep better at night. Or to convince yourself that this is all bunk and every flat earther is crazy , dumb and believes in reptoids. (I don't even know what reptoids are about anyway).

I use many sources but Dubay has a few new ones from January. I watch them to see what he says and proves. I'm almost positive the earth is not moving but everything else is; sun, moon, stars, "planets" etc.
EXACTLY how God tells us in the Bible numerous times. If there were no Biblical support I might not be as vocal about this. I'll say again, if you NEVER research and investigate FLAT EARTH PROOF, you'll never understand where I'm coming from, and your not speaking from any real knowledge at all.

 

[Aldebaran]

Firstly, it's not a "totally secret ice wall". It's a rim of ice that "supposedly" surrounds the entire circumference of the flat earth.

Secondly, you're of reasonable intelligence. How high do you think you would have to be, in order to see from one side of a flat earth, to the other, given the dimensions of the distances from the south pole to the north pole, on the globe. Maybe 3000 miles?

If you go to a rural area where the skies are dark at night and not light polluted from the cities, you can see stars all the way down to the horizon if there are not trees or other obstructions to your view of the horizon. How can that be the case if there's a wall of ice there?

 

[patrick jane]

If you go to a rural area where the skies are dark at night and not light polluted from the cities, you can see stars all the way down to the horizon if there are not trees or other obstructions to your view of the horizon. How can that be the case if there's a wall of ice there?

Good question but the horizon separates the sky and heavens from the earth. There are stars below the horizon also that you would see if you were able to feeze fram the horizon and walk all the way up you. It's similar to asking, "how can I still see light from the sun behind that mountain", I think. It doesn't affect the globe or the flat earth with a dome. The dome in my my mind may only be above, diving the waters above and the waters below as the it says in Genesis. IF the dome surrounds the earth at ground level then it's too far away to see anyway due to line of sight and divergence and convergence and perspective. Look at this short but interesting video about planes hitting an invisible force in the 40s with Admiral Byrd.

Planes CRASH into "Invisible Shield" of Flat Earth's Dome Firmament in Antarctica | FE PROOF 4 pt2


From Video Description : Listen to testimony of Invisible Shields that planes were crashing into in Antarctica. Admiral Byrd discovered The Dome Firmament during his missions in project high jump. This was sometime between 1946-1948. NASA x The Antarctic treaty was both established the same year soon after in order to hide the ceiling and the inner edge of Flat Earth's Dome Firmament. To find out much more about the edge of the flat earth dome firmament...click below!! The EDGE - Flat Earth Dome Firmament Discovery x Cover Up | THE COMPLETE STORY https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...

 

[Aldebaran]

Good question but the horizon separates the sky and heavens from the earth. There are stars below the horizon also that you would see if you were able to feeze fram the horizon and walk all the way up you. It's similar to asking, "how can I still see light from the sun behind that mountain", I think. It doesn't affect the globe or the flat earth with a dome. The dome in my my mind may only be above, diving the waters above and the waters below as the it says in Genesis. IF the dome surrounds the earth at ground level then it's too far away to see anyway due to line of sight and divergence and convergence and perspective. Look at this short but interesting video about planes hitting an invisible force in the 40s with Admiral Byrd.

Then why do the stars move through the sky during the night, and not just from east to west, but appear to revolve around a certain point in the sky?

Just tried to post a picture of what I mean, but it won't show up.

 

[patrick jane]

Then why do the stars move through the sky during the night, and not just from east to west, but appear to revolve around a certain point in the sky?

Just tried to post a picture of what I mean, but it won't show up.

Yes they go in a circle over the earth like the sun and moon and as scripture describes with the words God chose. I cab show you in scripture. There's a song by john Lenon and one by Journey (the band) about the "Wheels In The Sky because that's what they do. Here's a short vide that shows the "Wheel in the Sky" - And the lyrics to Lenon's song because I think he was a flat earth based on this song.

Watching The Wheels
John Lennon
People say I'm crazy
Doing what I'm doing
Well, they give me all kinds of warnings
To save me from ruin
When I say that I'm okay, well they look at me kinda strange
"Surely, you're not happy now, you no longer play the game"
People say I'm lazy
Dreaming my life away
Well they give me all kinds of advice
Designed to enlighten me
When I tell them that I'm doing fine watching shadows on the wall
"Don't you miss the big time boy, you're no longer on the ball?"
I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
No longer riding on the merry-go-round
I just had to let it go
Ah, people ask me questions
Lost in confusion
Well, I tell them there's no problem
Only solutions
Well, they shake their heads and they look at me, as if I've lost my mind
I tell them there's no hurry, I'm just sitting here doing time
I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
No longer riding on the merry-go-round
I just had to let it go
I just had to let it go
I just had to let it go
Songwriters: John Lennon
Polaris Proves the Flat Earth
From Video Description : NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant globe spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged “Big Bang” cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That’s a grand total of 670,568,000 mph in several different directions we’re all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously. No one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven such motion, yet the vast majority of people unquestioningly accept that the clearly motionless Earth beneath their feet is actually moving over six hundred million miles per hour!


11 Minutes - Awesome footage of time lapse showing the stars moving at night.

 

[majj27]

Teir domination? LOLOLOL, hilarious. Just the opposite. It may not happen in our lifetime but it's coming. Too many people are questioning "official" science and history and too many people have information at their fingertips. If you think flat earth type people are trying to "take over" the "planet" then maybe you're more delusional than you say I am.

Oh, I'm certain that, aside from some collaborators, most flat-earthers aren't trying to hurt anyone. But that doesn't mean they aren't being used to weaken us.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes they go in a circle over the earth like the sun and moon and as scripture describes with the words God chose. I cab show you in scripture. There's a song by john Lenon and one by Journey (the band) about the "Wheels In The Sky because that's what they do. Here's a short vide that shows the "Wheel in the Sky" - And the lyrics to Lenon's song because I think he was a flat earth based on this song.

This statment, "No one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven such motion, yet the vast majority of people unquestioningly accept that the clearly motionless Earth beneath their feet is actually moving over six hundred million miles per hour!" makes me wonder what it is that they would expect to feel. Should they feel some sort of vibration or something if the Earth is moving through space? I've been on an airplane before that was moving at least 600 MPH. I didn't feel anything. I could have gotten out of my seat and jumped up in the air and came straight back down where I started.

Another question: Why are the stars on the other side of the world completely different than what we see in the northern hemisphere? We can't see the Large and small Megellanic cloud galaxies in America. They're not visible here. But if you travel to the other side of the earth, you can. You'll also see the stars rotating around a completely different point in the sky. How can these things be explained?

 

[patrick jane]

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Chapters :
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@mark kennedy watched and had good things say. I've watched it 3 times.
2 Hours - Better than a movie by far

 

[Speedwell]

This statment, "No one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven such motion, yet the vast majority of people unquestioningly accept that the clearly motionless Earth beneath their feet is actually moving over six hundred million miles per hour!" makes me wonder what it is that they would expect to feel. Should they feel some sort of vibration or something if the Earth is moving through space? I've been on an airplane before that was moving at least 600 MPH. I didn't feel anything. I could have gotten out of my seat and jumped up in the air and came straight back down where I started.

Another question: Why are the stars on the other side of the world completely different than what we see in the northern hemisphere? We can't see the Large and small Megellanic cloud galaxies in America. They're not visible here. But if you travel to the other side of the earth, you can. You'll also see the stars rotating around a completely different point in the sky. How can these things be explained?

Oh, there'll be an explanation--even if it's only that you were somehow duped by anti-Christian conspirators. Like, those were fake stars you saw in the (falsely so-called) Southern Hemisphere.

 

[majj27]

Firstly, it's not a "totally secret ice wall". It's a rim of ice that "supposedly" surrounds the entire circumference of the flat earth.

Secondly, you're of reasonable intelligence. How high do you think you would have to be, in order to see from one side of a flat earth, to the other, given the dimensions of the distances from the south pole to the north pole, on the globe. Maybe 3000 miles?

Your request is not realistic, at this point.

If it's flat, being at a position to see the entire Ice Wall would merely mean "high enough to see over obstacles." A dozen or two miles would work if you had a good telescope in the balloon.

Oh...mmm gosh.... How stupid of me.... This well educated intelligent man must have just... how did you put it? made a mistake due to looking through a warped porthole...

So, where did you investigate to find that the portholes were "warped". Who are you to say that he didn't see what he said that he saw?

This is very poor and unsupported "sour grapes" response.

Well, if you want to take word of someone sight-unseen that can be neither verified nor corroborated, that's fine. I have to say, though, that sort of speculative disinformation is a key to Reptoid destabilization techniques.

Again, how high would that be? See my response to your point A.

Also... why don't you call NASA and get them to do this, next time they fake a rocket to our "outer space" and tell them to use a real camera... not some yuppy hipster skateboarders "go pro" with a fish eye lens. Oh ya, and tell them to do it UNEDITED and CONTINUOUS with no breaks or cuts to other cameras... all the way from launch to space.....

By the way... good luck. All rockets go straight up, then curve to level flight and then come down in the ocean.

You believe that space travel is impossible? Their disinformation campaign is working well.

So now it's "Piccard's Confusion"... hmm well played.. you win... what have I got to counter a fellow poster stating that this past man of impeccable scientific ability, is a confused individual.

You must be right.. Oh, ya, and the "Big Flat Earth" is using this solid testimony to counter a, well some gibberish about reptiods?..

Ya, that's it... you have just exposed every flat earth agenda... Pack er up boys were exposed.


This is total nonsense. A man of great means was the first to go to this altitude and then state what he saw.....

The rest of the world has nothing better than to say that he was confused? His window was warped?

Why listen to what someone actually saw?

Gibberish is PRECISELY what they want you to dismiss the truth as. Why do you think that so many bad TV shows and movies have been made about Reptoid invasions? So that we'll assume them to be nonsense and leave ourselves complete unable to resist. When you have control of the media, like they do, it's easy to control the narrative, which is why shapeshifting agents have been in the media for so many years.

But you can spot them if you're observant.

 

[Aldebaran]

Oh, there'll be an explanation--even if it's only that you were somehow duped by anti-Christian conspirators. Like, those were fake stars you saw in the (falsely so-called) Southern Hemisphere.

Oh, I know. I'm just curious as to what the explanations are when there's so much proof to the contrary. There are not only people who live in the southern hemisphere, but plenty of people have traveled there (by air) and have seen and photographed for themselves.