If there is "no evidence" for evolution...

[DogmaHunter]

Biology disproves evolution especially if you study mutations , they do not have same chance to appear actually if you study it you will find out that our DNA should have only Thymine and life would be not existing

Did you inform the scientific community of this?
Kind of strange how an armchair "scientist" like yourself comes on a forum like this to share this worldview-altering and "turning biology upside down" information, while actual scientists who have dedicated their lives to the study of biological things, seem completely unaware of this.

Atm every creature is dying and thier DNA is getting more corrupted over time , nothing is evolving

Uhu, uhu... because if evolution were true, then all living things would be immortal?

Satan usually take what is true and turns it into lie by making exactly opposite like with Big bang that it occured at the beginning while in Bible God said big bang is in the end .

Haaaaaa!
There were go. It was Satan that did it!
yes, yes, it all makes sense now.....................

 

[PsychoSarah]

Noah had many grandsons and they had their pick of the native population. Noah's grandson Cush had Nimrod, the builder of the FIRST Human city on Earth. Gen 10:10

Noah had 16 grandchildren. That means that, assuming all of his children already had "true human" wives, there would have been 16 "true humans" entering a population of at least 3,000 if we assume that they encountered Neanderthals when they were already on their way to extinction and pretend no other non-human members of the genus Homo existed. That would mean, assuming that every grandchild had a lineage that persisted to modern day, that they contributed approximately 0.5% of their genes. Since humans aren't as horrifically inbred as cheetahs, attempting to say there were fewer Neanderthals and that not all lineages eventually mixed with the "true humans" would ignore modern human diversity. So, yup, we wouldn't have enough "true human" genes in us to have any notable "true human" traits. Your claims do not fit with genetics. You are sandwiched between making humans too inbred to fit modern observations, or too non-human to fit with modern observations.

Humans had contact with Cro-Magnon people or as Scripture calls them, the sons of God.

Cro-Magnons aren't a different species, dude. That's our species from way back, and they already had language, tool making, etc. In fact, Cro-Magnons are just the earliest humans found in Europe specifically, meaning that by the bible, it wouldn't have been Cro-Magnons that Noah's lineage mingled with first, since he ended up in the middle East.

Scripture refers to them as sons of God because they were innocent, unlike reasoning Humans (descendants of Adam). Today, Scripture includes Christians as sons of God AFTER they have been born again Spiritually. Rom 8:14

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/8/14/s_1054014
Oldest documented murder is over 400,000 years old; 10 times older than the earliest documented Cro-Magnon.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

As someone once said, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

Sounds like Mark Twain.

 

[HitchSlap]

Sounds like Mark Twain.

Yes, this quote is often misattributed to Twain.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes, this quote is often misattributed to Twain.

Ah! Yes, that's a problem with the internet - a few people (or one) get things wrong, and thousands echo it. Same thing happens on those lyric sites - they all seem to have the same mistakes...

 

[HitchSlap]

Ah! Yes, that's a problem with the internet - a few people (or one) get things wrong, and thousands echo it. Same thing happens on those lyric sites - they all seem to have the same mistakes...

I'm reading Jordan Peterson's new book, and he attributes this quote to Twain. Later, I was reading a review of said book and the reviewer points out that in fact it's not Twain. No matter, still a solid statement.

 

[Aman777]

Noah had 16 grandchildren. That means that, assuming all of his children already had "true human" wives, there would have been 16 "true humans" entering a population of at least 3,000 if we assume that they encountered Neanderthals when they were already on their way to extinction and pretend no other non-human members of the genus Homo existed.

Where do we find the DNA of intelligence since that's the difference between Humans and innocent creatures?

Cro-Magnons aren't a different species, dude. That's our species from way back, and they already had language, tool making, etc. In fact, Cro-Magnons are just the earliest humans found in Europe specifically, meaning that by the bible, it wouldn't have been Cro-Magnons that Noah's lineage mingled with first, since he ended up in the middle East.

I say Cro-Magnons since they are the last prehistoric people who lived BEFORE the Ark arrived. IF there were some Neanderthal among them, that's fine too. The difference is NOT between Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon, but instead is the difference between innocent people and Humans, who are judged by God's Law.

Oldest documented murder is over 400,000 years old; 10 times older than the earliest documented Cro-Magnon.

Doesn't matter since the prehistoric people were INNOCENT and did not have God's Law to judge them. It's another reason WHY Humans (descendants of Adam) are different from prehistoric people who did NOT descend from Adam. Humans have the superior intelligence of God Gen 3:22 but prehistoric mankind did NOT. Amen?

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

... then what have they been publishing in the Journal of Evolutionary Biology all these years?

(Not to mention other scientific journals like Evolution, Molecular Biology and Evolution, Journal of Molecular Evolution, Genome Biology and Evolution, and so on...)

There's plenty of evidence. Doesn't matter, it is faked. Jesus did not evolve. The misunderstanding is that the universe is natural and the supernatural does not exist. The reverse is true, it is all supernatural and there is no natural -- at all.

As for what I mean by "faked", exactly as I explained: fake miracles, fake evidence for all sorts of thing. Who does it? God? Satan? Creation its' self?

Does not matter.

People today - some - can imagine "all this" in a virtual reality in some future computer somewhere, but can not wrap their heads around the fact that you are living in God's mind?

Lotsa hypocrisy (and small mindedness) on that one.

 

[DogmaHunter]

There's plenty of evidence. Doesn't matter, it is faked. Jesus did not evolve. The misunderstanding is that the universe is natural and the supernatural does not exist. The reverse is true, it is all supernatural and there is no natural -- at all.

As for what I mean by "faked", exactly as I explained: fake miracles, fake evidence for all sorts of thing. Who does it? God? Satan? Creation its' self?

Does not matter.

People today - some - can imagine "all this" in a virtual reality in some future computer somewhere, but can not wrap their heads around the fact that you are living in God's mind?

Lotsa hypocrisy (and small mindedness) on that one.

I propose we start a new olympic discipline called "mental gymnastics".

You'ld win gold easily.

 

[bhsmte]

There's plenty of evidence. Doesn't matter, it is faked. Jesus did not evolve. The misunderstanding is that the universe is natural and the supernatural does not exist. The reverse is true, it is all supernatural and there is no natural -- at all.

As for what I mean by "faked", exactly as I explained: fake miracles, fake evidence for all sorts of thing. Who does it? God? Satan? Creation its' self?

Does not matter.

People today - some - can imagine "all this" in a virtual reality in some future computer somewhere, but can not wrap their heads around the fact that you are living in God's mind?

Lotsa hypocrisy (and small mindedness) on that one.

We should believe this because you say so?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Where do we find the DNA of intelligence since that's the difference between Humans and innocent creatures?

-_- there isn't a single "intelligence" gene. There are dozens of genes that are linked to influencing intelligence, and environmental factors also play a huge role. Thus, your "true human" intelligence can't logically persist by one or two genes being consistently retained. The influence on the intelligence of the overall population long term would be minimal at best.

I say Cro-Magnons since they are the last prehistoric people who lived BEFORE the Ark arrived.

Negatory, since Cro-Magnon is a regional distinction, more or less. The exact same species was still present in Africa, etc. Plus, that is the same species as us, we can genetically confirm that.

Doesn't matter since the prehistoric people were INNOCENT and did not have God's Law to judge them. It's another reason WHY Humans (descendants of Adam) are different from prehistoric people who did NOT descend from Adam. Humans have the superior intelligence of God Gen 3:22 but prehistoric mankind did NOT. Amen?

You've shown no evidence of Cro-Magnons being significantly less intelligent than ourselves. Heck, they not only are the same species, but the same subspecies as modern humans; Homo sapiens sapiens. You are confusing the general trend of technology increasing exponentially with a sudden increase in intelligence, not accounting for the nature of that curve meaning that a long period of slow technological advancement followed by increasing jumps isn't deviant.

 

[Skreeper]

There's plenty of evidence. Doesn't matter, it is faked. Jesus did not evolve. The misunderstanding is that the universe is natural and the supernatural does not exist. The reverse is true, it is all supernatural and there is no natural -- at all.

As for what I mean by "faked", exactly as I explained: fake miracles, fake evidence for all sorts of thing. Who does it? God? Satan? Creation its' self?

Does not matter.

People today - some - can imagine "all this" in a virtual reality in some future computer somewhere, but can not wrap their heads around the fact that you are living in God's mind?

Lotsa hypocrisy (and small mindedness) on that one.

You have some wild fantasies, buddy.

 

[Jjmcubbin]

There's plenty of evidence. Doesn't matter, it is faked. Jesus did not evolve. The misunderstanding is that the universe is natural and the supernatural does not exist. The reverse is true, it is all supernatural and there is no natural -- at all.

As for what I mean by "faked", exactly as I explained: fake miracles, fake evidence for all sorts of thing. Who does it? God? Satan? Creation its' self?

Does not matter.

People today - some - can imagine "all this" in a virtual reality in some future computer somewhere, but can not wrap their heads around the fact that you are living in God's mind?

Lotsa hypocrisy (and small mindedness) on that one.

What?
I mean that's the dumbest, most far fetched thing I've ever read, and I've been here for quite some time.

 

[Aman777]

-_- there isn't a single "intelligence" gene. There are dozens of genes that are linked to influencing intelligence, and environmental factors also play a huge role. Thus, your "true human" intelligence can't logically persist by one or two genes being consistently retained. The influence on the intelligence of the overall population long term would be minimal at best.

That's my point. Intelligence is not stored in genes since human genes are the same as animal genes. You are wired for God's superior intelligence, like Adam was, Gen 3:22 or you are not human.

Negatory, since Cro-Magnon is a regional distinction, more or less. The exact same species was still present in Africa, etc. Plus, that is the same species as us, we can genetically confirm that.

Amen, according to changeable scientific theories, but it's not God's Truth which changes not. Prehistoric people are all Their kind or the kind created by God the Trinity. Humans are His kind or the kind Jesus made from the dust of the ground. Gen 2:7 The miracle is that both Their kinds and His kinds are the SAME genetically and are able to produce human children together. Gen 6:4 Their kind came forth from WATER and His kind came forth from the dust of the ground.

You've shown no evidence of Cro-Magnons being significantly less intelligent than ourselves. Heck, they not only are the same species, but the same subspecies as modern humans; Homo sapiens sapiens. You are confusing the general trend of technology increasing exponentially with a sudden increase in intelligence, not accounting for the nature of that curve meaning that a long period of slow technological advancement followed by increasing jumps isn't deviant.

History is the evidence and Cro-Magnons nor any other prehistoric creature, which came from Water Gen 1:21 is Human BUT when combined with Adam's descendants, the children are Humans (descendants of Adam). It's not in the genes but in the Ability to know both good and evil, the way God does. Gen 3:22

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's my point. Intelligence is not stored in genes since human genes are the same as animal genes. You are wired for God's superior intelligence, like Adam was, Gen 3:22 or you are not human.

Then Noah surviving on the ark is irrelevant, because that would mean that the intelligence wasn't inherited at all. No reason for anyone to be spared when Yahweh could just make these prehistoric peoples intelligent at will and there was nothing genetically different about them from Noah.

History is the evidence and Cro-Magnons nor any other prehistoric creature, which came from Water Gen 1:21 is Human BUT when combined with Adam's descendants, the children are Humans (descendants of Adam). It's not in the genes but in the Ability to know both good and evil, the way God does. Gen 3:22

Negatory, as per your timeline, humans with advanced cultures predate where you place the flood.

 

[Aman777]

Then Noah surviving on the ark is irrelevant, because that would mean that the intelligence wasn't inherited at all. No reason for anyone to be spared when Yahweh could just make these prehistoric peoples intelligent at will and there was nothing genetically different about them from Noah.

It wasn't Noah, but his grandsons, who passed Adam's superior intelligence to the prehistoric people (sons of God) who had been here for Millions of years before the Ark arrived 11k years ago. Their kinds (Trinity) are the sons of God who came from water. Gen 1:21 His kinds (Jesus/Lord God) are God's children, made from dust. Gen 2:7

Negatory, as per your timeline, humans with advanced cultures predate where you place the flood.

Only according to those seeking funding to prove their false claims. History records the first humans (descendants of Adam) arrived in the land between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, in Northern Mesopotamia. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Before then, our world was filled with Innocent sons of God, who are also destined for Heaven.

 

[tas8831]

You mention all these other "scientific journals."

Just curious - what is your scientific background?

Did you know that if you go to the "Fiction" section of a library, you will find more than one book?

Lots of them. Most of the ones I see there are religious in nature. One bookstore I went to a few years ago correctly had books on Creationism in the fiction section.

What is your point?

 

[tas8831]

The problem with this is, most people who are creationists go to schools that teach evolution. We see both sides of it.

How much evolution was taught to you?

I keep hearing these claims all the time, and it seems to me that what the creationist really means is that 'my version of Christianity was not explicitly favored in public school.'

Growing up, I had a one-week introduction to evolution in 6th grade, and then a section on human evolution in an ELECTIVE anthropology class as a junior.

It's really the atheists and evolutionists who have NEVER stopped and looked at something with an open mind.

Right. I read my first creationism book after I had been thumbing through a book on dinosaurs and saw that some creationist had defaced the book. I wanted to see what their thing was all about. It was Randy Wysong's "The Creation Controversy,"and upon finishing it, as a college freshman, I knew these people were out of their minds. That was 1989. Since then I have read more than a dozen creationist books. Probably 1000 creationist essays. Been on discussion forums for about 22 years, I keep seeing the exact same claims made over and over by creationists, but I never see any evidence.

I have. I used to be an atheist until I had an experience that told me God is real.

Wait - you just wrote:

" It's really the atheists and evolutionists who have NEVER stopped and looked at something with an open mind."

If you were an atheist, you, by your own proclamation, you would not have looked at your experience with an open mind!

" You could easily discount that experience as a hallucination, but I know it was real. From there, I went on a journey to discover who God is.

Not buying it, sorry.

 

[tas8831]

Because science is constantly changing. The thing that evolves more than nature is the textbooks. Stuff I was taught in high school is already wrong and obsolete. You find something in the dirt and put your own spin and bias on it based upon what others have told you. All creationism does, in terms of AIG, is offers an alternative explanation.

This is a sort of hackneyed claim.

How about some examples?

 

[tas8831]

That is a long list indeed. Thanks for the link. Meyers, Dembski, Behe, and others are familiar from the video "Where Does the Evidence Lead?" which I have on disk and enjoy watching every once in a while.

On what basis did you determine that what they claim is accurate?

They have an agenda to push. They make money doing it.

Most of their target audience lacks the requisite knowledge to tell that most of their claims are bogus.