Does God only impute righteousness to us, or does He also impart it?

[Simon_Templar]

There are Protestants who believe in the impartation of righteousness, but I believe that many Catholics ignore the scriptural fact of imputation.

That's true. But there are many "Catholics" who ignore what the Catholic Church teaches on a variety of issues. There are also many who barely know what the Church teaches. We are certainly not without our problems.

 

[Arsenios]

Romans 8:1 KJV who WALK not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Prior to Paul's wintering over in Antioch, the Followers of Christ were called the People of the Way... They were first called Christians in Antioch... To WALK NOT after the flesh means to live without sinning... It does not mean to never sin, but to walk in repentance from sinning...

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[Arsenios]

BY and THROUGH. Romans 3:22,30.

3:22
dikaiosunh de qeou dia pistewv Ihsou Xristou

God's Righteousness THROUGH Christ's Faith.

3:30
peritomhn ek pistewv kai akrobustian dia thv pistewv
http://classic.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1897
Circumcision BY [ek = out of] faith, and uncircumcision THROUGH the Faith (eg Christ's Faith)

I think this is saying that those Jews who were prepared by the Law could be justified by God out of simply believing the Gospel, and those NOT so prepared, would be justified THROUGH the Faith of Jesus Christ, which is the very Faith He discipled to His disciples/Apostles....

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[Daniel Marsh]

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[Arsenios]

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A winning post in the unfettered opinion of someone like you whose sense of humor is doubtless in the same pile as is yours as boasted on your Avatar!

Love ya, Bro!

Arsenios

 

[justbyfaith]

It seems that most people who are opposed to the notion of imparted righteousness are so because they misunderstand what it means. The concept of imparted righteousness is very real in both the Old and New Testaments. All it means is that God enables His people to love Him to some degree, whereas prior to salvation, they were at enmity with Him because they didn't have the Spirit to work that love in them. Romans 8:6-8
So, to put the question another way; do Christians love God to some degree? If so, it is because God has imparted righteousness (love for God and His Law) into them.

Also, Romans 5:5 and Ephesians 3:19 with 1 John 4:8,16.

 

[justbyfaith]

So that Matthew 22:37 is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4,5:5).

 

[listed]

So also did Christ...
Which nature did He follow?
Whom are we to follow?

Arsenios

The nature of God. It should be evident Jesus didn't follow the nature of Adam. Jesus didn't inherit from Adam. Jesus' Father is God, not His creation.

 

[listed]

No one can attain heaven by disobedience...
Obedience to Christ is far more than following rules...

Arsenios

No one can attain heaven by obedience to the law.

 

[listed]

We need to repent of our sin. Sin is defined by the commandments.

If and when we repent of our sin, we no longer practice them. Does that mean we keep the law? No partly because no one does and partly because we're no subject to that covenant. There's no salvation by the law either to get or maintain.

 

[listed]

Great question.

Also, where does the fruit come from?

A tree can not bear....

It comes from the life giving sap provided for by the Root Jesus. No sap, no life. A tree without sap is dead.

 

[listed]

How does Eze 18 or was it 33 apply to this?

Beats me. You provide no discussion or specific verse.

 

[listed]

It seems that most people who are opposed to the notion of imparted righteousness are so because they misunderstand what it means. The concept of imparted righteousness is very real in both the Old and New Testaments. All it means is that God enables His people to love Him to some degree, whereas prior to salvation, they were at enmity with Him because they didn't have the Spirit to work that love in them. Romans 8:6-8
So, to put the question another way; do Christians love God to some degree? If so, it is because God has imparted righteousness (love for God and His Law) into them.

I don't think Christians love God because of imparted righteousness. Upon truly examining my love for God I must admit that it really comes from God, Himself. When nitty comes to gritty, I don't love God for cause.

 

[listed]

Your point? I t is clear from scripture that the law doesn't impart life. However, those who have life obey the law, and repentance is the first step.

Based on what? The Christian has nothing to do with the law. Galatians 3 says:

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Having put on Christ instead of the law.

 

[listed]

Good point. However, no one can obey the commandments apart from abiding in Jesus Christ through faith.

No one obeys the law even with abiding in Jesus Christ. No where does Scripture indicate we're able to obey the law with or without Jesus Christ.

 

[listed]

A winning post in the unfettered opinion of someone like you whose sense of humor is doubtless in the same pile as is yours as boasted on your Avatar!

Love ya, Bro!

Arsenios

It is nothing more than a personal marker for him.

 

[Tolworth John]

Another good question.

How does the indwelling of the Holy Spirit come into this?

He reinforces our conscience making us more aware of sin, teaches us about God etc through the bible etc.

 

[Tolworth John]

as I abide ( remain, continue) in Christ i sin not as scripture says. Only in Christ can I do anything.

Jesus said

" If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

never can we say to a believer to not continue to have daily faith and it is only through our continual belief in Jesus we are in the life. If we continue in the grace

Please read what John says.

1John1:8,If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

 

[Tolworth John]

The Bible does not say that. In fact it says the opposite. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9. In 1 John 1:8, sin can be translated as offence, and a translation that would not contradict anything else in the Bible might be, If we say that we have never committed any kind of offence against the Lord, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Because it is clear that the born again believer does not continue in a lifestyle of sin.

please read what John has to say.

1John1:8,If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us

 

[Arsenios]

It should be evident Jesus didn't follow the nature of Adam.

It is evident that Jesus TRANSFORMED the nature of Adam...

Jesus didn't inherit from Adam.

If He did not, then we are not TRANSFIGURED in Him...

Jesus' Father is God, not His creation.

And His Creation, the Blessed Virgin, is His Mother...

He became incarnate through her, you see, to right the wrong that had occurred in Adam...

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