My favorite argument for the existence of God

[Kylie]

Nah, they've already invested themselves in the never ending invisible snipe hunt.

Of course. You can see the truth, but you can't tell the people who really need to know, because they'll ignore you! It's all a big cover up, man!

Why? A patent clerk overturned Newton.

Hahahahahaha!

You think being a patent clerk was the only thing that Einstein had in his favour? Please!

"Contrary to popular belief, Einstein never failed math. He had learned integral and differential calculus on his own before he was 15 years old.[21]

In 1895, at the age of 16, Einstein took the entrance examinations for the Swiss Federal Polytechnic in Zürich (later the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule, ETH). He failed to reach the required standard in the general part of the examination,[22] but obtained exceptional grades in physics and mathematics."

Albert Einstein - Wikipedia
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Also, there were well-known problems with Newton's laws.

For all their "qualifications", and billions of dollars spent, not a shred of objective empirical evidence supports exotic matter. How is that my fault?

Or maybe they know more about it than you, and they know what they're talking about. Or do you think that they're involved in a cover up consisting of thousands of scientists all around the world that is so flimsy that someone like you with no qualifications in the field can see straight through it?

That's the sort of thing you get from conspiracy theorists.

I'm not professionally or emotionally attached to finding exotic matter so I can simply embrace the standard model of particle physics, the single most successful model in the history of particle physics, and I can just "be happy".

You do, however, seem to be "professionally or emotionally attached to" getting everyone else to share your belief that standard cosmology is wrong.

 

[Speedwell]

Like I told Skreeper, I'm taking you guys seriously now, and this is definitely serious.
So even with all the examples, actual quotes, posting the actual definitions, (Please refer back to my post 1291) you don't see the paradox, the irony and even the idiocy in what you say: "No species has ever speciated from one to a distinctly different species", yet this PROVES to you evolution/speciation!?

So I get it now--you just want to play word games. You said,

"NO species of animal could evolve/speciate/change into a completely "distinct species" in its lifetime!"

I notice that you left off "in its lifetime" from that quote in your most recent post.

[LOL, .. grotesque misrepresentation of you theory? Wow, .. you mean like in your actual definition of Evolution/speciation right?
In what you are saying is, .. that; "Evolution means that no species has ever speciated to another species in their lifetime",

Correct. There is no point in the lifetime of any creature that it changes into another species. Once a creature is born into a species it stays that species until it dies. There is not even a point at which one can say definitively that its offspring belongs to another species.

 

[Arius]

To be honest a gorilla seems to be more pleasant to deal with than you are.

Fine, I'll accept that, I'll accept anything from you as long as I can keep your attention on this very important, and disturbing subject. I would even let you slap me in my face if I thought it would help you relieve your frustration. I know how it must feel, like I said before, I was brought up in a strict Religion where I had to accept what they told me on blind faith, or like you, I would be ridiculed.

I mean come on, what famous real scientist would ever say something like this?

Besides, how many gorillas have you debated about your Religion Evolution so far?
Don't you see my friend that you would take a gorilla, an animal over me, your fellow human created in Our Creators image?
Ask yourself why?
Because a gorilla will not argue with you. You could call it a giraffe and it wouldn't care. But I care, .. it hurts to see me watch you guys remain in such disturbing Religion that makes monkeys out of humanity.
And please, .. don't tell me now that you are not monkeys, because, even if you don't see it, the actual Evolutionary classification of humans is much worse.

The same goes for those that are in, or also believe in the Big Bang story, I mean that is really disturbing because that one actually costs us trillions of dollars in upkeep. The snake tongue NASA lies are the most expensive on earth, and the most deceiving.

Just the initial concept of something "Big Banging" before space and time even existed is ludicrous, especially calling it a scientific theory!?!? And to see so many people at these Religious seminars is just unbelievable, especially people actually thinking that it's about science, that they will somehow come out of that meeting a little smarter!?

 

[Michael]

Of course. You can see the truth, but you can't tell the people who really need to know, because they'll ignore you! It's all a big cover up, man!

Cover up? What cover up? They've been reporting their endless string of null results all along. If this is a conspiracy, it's the worst conspiracy in the history of physics because they keep shooting themselves in the foot.

You think being a patent clerk was the only thing that Einstein had in his favour? Please!

He certainly wasn't a "professional astronomer" at the time he wrote his Nobel prize winning paper.

"Contrary to popular belief, Einstein never failed math. He had learned integral and differential calculus on his own before he was 15 years old.[21]

In 1895, at the age of 16, Einstein took the entrance examinations for the Swiss Federal Polytechnic in Zürich (later the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule, ETH). He failed to reach the required standard in the general part of the examination,[22] but obtained exceptional grades in physics and mathematics."

Albert Einstein - Wikipedia​

I took calculus in high school too, and all my grades were pretty good, including math and physics. So what? I even did well in my programming classes.

Or maybe they know more about it than you, and they know what they're talking about.

If they did actually know what they were talking about, those billions of dollars worth of tests would have produced something other than a string of null results and they wouldn't be reduced to using placeholder terms for human ignorance to describe 95 percent of the universe. They have *no idea* what they're talking about.

Or do you think that they're involved in a cover up consisting of thousands of scientists all around the world that is so flimsy that someone like you with no qualifications in the field can see straight through it?

There is certainly no "cover up" because they're the ones that keep shooting themselves in the foot! There's certainly no conspiracy unless it's the worst one in history.

That's the sort of thing you get from conspiracy theorists.

What conspiracy? They're constantly publishing papers that refute their own claims, and they keep reporting all their null results from the lab. What conspiracy?

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You do, however, seem to be "professionally or emotionally attached to" getting everyone else to share your belief that standard cosmology is wrong.

Meh. I'm a realist. Birkeland was dead for decades before the mainstream finally figured out that he was right about aurora. They *still* haven't figured out that he was right about the solar corona a full century later. I have no illusions about the mainstream abandoning their absurdly bad dogma in my lifetime.

I simply choose to embrace empirical physical alternatives to their supernatural dogma and I like to share those empirical alternates with anyone who is interested and willing to listen. It's no skin off my nose if the mainstream want's to live and die in pure ignorance and rely on placeholder terms for ignorance for their entire career and their entire lives. I'm just not obligated to do so.

 

[HitchSlap]

 

[Kylie]

Fine, I'll accept that, I'll accept anything from you as long as I can keep your attention on this very important, and disturbing subject. I would even let you slap me in my face if I thought it would help you relieve your frustration. I know how it must feel, like I said before, I was brought up in a strict Religion where I had to accept what they told me on blind faith, or like you, I would be ridiculed.

I mean come on, what famous real scientist would ever say something like this?

Besides, how many gorillas have you debated about your Religion Evolution so far?
Don't you see my friend that you would take a gorilla, an animal over me, your fellow human created in Our Creators image?
Ask yourself why?
Because a gorilla will not argue with you. You could call it a giraffe and it wouldn't care. But I care, .. it hurts to see me watch you guys remain in such disturbing Religion that makes monkeys out of humanity.
And please, .. don't tell me now that you are not monkeys, because, even if you don't see it, the actual Evolutionary classification of humans is much worse.

The same goes for those that are in, or also believe in the Big Bang story, I mean that is really disturbing because that one actually costs us trillions of dollars in upkeep. The snake tongue NASA lies are the most expensive on earth, and the most deceiving.

Just the initial concept of something "Big Banging" before space and time even existed is ludicrous, especially calling it a scientific theory!?!? And to see so many people at these Religious seminars is just unbelievable, especially people actually thinking that it's about science, that they will somehow come out of that meeting a little smarter!?

I honestly can not for the life of me see what point you are trying to make.

Science is wrong because a scientist thinks different religious beliefs should be mocked? Yet you admit that you would have been mocked for holding a belief different to those would would have mocked you, so that kinda falls flat, doesn't it?

Why would we debate gorillas about the merits of evolution? Are you suggesting that we would rather believe a Gorilla instead of God? Aren't you presupposing that we believe in God in the first place? Even for those believers who accept evolution, there are lots of Christians who take the Bible as metaphor rather than literal fact. And there is, of course, the mountains of genetic evidence that point to all life having a single common ancestor long ago. You say evolution makes monkeys out of humanity. Such a witty turn of phrase, so of course it must be true. [/sarcasm] Of course, I could argue that religion makes humanity into dirt, which is hardly any better.

And how does it cost billions of dollars to keep up the "lie" of the Big Bang theory? Do you really believe this? What possible gain could come from it?

You don't seem to have spent any time looking at the evidence for the things you try to dismiss, and honestly, the arguments you spout are no different to those of conspiracy theorists.

 

[Arius]

So I get it now--you just want to play word games. You said,

"NO species of animal could evolve/speciate/change into a completely "distinct species" in its lifetime!"

I notice that you left off "in its lifetime" from that quote in your most recent post.

Yes, I left out the "last nail in evolutions coffin"

See post #1291

Correct. There is no point in the lifetime of any creature that it changes into another species. Once a creature is born into a species it stays that species until it dies. There is not even a point at which one can say definitively that its offspring belongs to another species.

I know, I get it, evolution/speciation never happens. It is ONLY referred to when showing "transitional fossils", never live animals that you claim are evolving as we speak .. which means what?
The grave, death, skull&bones, deep caves, gloom and doom.

Why is speciation only talked about in fossils? What, do you actually believe that "speciation" happens in the grave, where dried up bones of one species of animal speciate into another? That is exactly what Dawkins was saying in this video

time 1:16

 

[Kylie]

Cover up? What cover up? They've been reporting their endless string of null results all along. If this is a conspiracy, it's the worst conspiracy in the history of physics because they keep shooting themselves in the foot.

Well, if someone without any training in the field like you can see the truth, then obviously the people who, you know, STUDY IT FOR A LIVING must know the truth as well, but they continue to feed us lies. What are they trying to cover up? There must be SOMETHING11!!11!!!!1!!one!!1!!!

He certainly wasn't a "professional astronomer" at the time he wrote his Nobel prize winning paper.

Considering that the paper he won the Nobel for was in THEORETICAL PHYSICS and not astronomy, I don't see what difference it makes. Einstein was never an astronomer, was he? He was a physicist.

I took calculus in high school too, and all my grades were pretty good, including math and physics. So what? I even did well in my programming classes.

Well, clearly you're just as smart as Einstein! So where's YOUR Nobel prize?

If they did actually know what they were talking about, those billions of dollars worth of tests would have produced something other than a string of null results and they wouldn't be reduced to using placeholder terms for human ignorance to describe 95 percent of the universe. They have *no idea* what they're talking about.

Yeah, people, governments, industry, universities, they all drop billions of dollars into things that have no useful results.

Makes perfect sense.

There is certainly no "cover up" because they're the ones that keep shooting themselves in the foot! There's certainly no conspiracy unless it's the worst one in history.

lol

What conspiracy? They're constantly publishing papers that refute their own claims, and they keep reporting all their null results from the lab. What conspiracy?

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Oh my goodness, this is hilarious.

You make the claim that sceintists publish papers that contradict their own claims, yet what do you produice as evidence?

A post on an internet forum, NOT a scientific paper!

Was the person who wrote it a scientist? No! It is someone who has the same name as you! Tell me, is this Michael Mozina you, by any chance?

Meh. I'm a realist. Birkeland was dead for decades before the mainstream finally figured out that he was right about aurora.

Only because they lacked the ability to perform the measurements required to confirm his theories until then!

They *still* haven't figured out that he was right about the solar corona a full century later.

So you assume that because he was right about one thing, he must be right about others?

I have no illusions about the mainstream abandoning their absurdly bad dogma in my lifetime.

Oh, and in a glaring case of unsubtleness, you attempt to poison the well by decrying it as "bad dogma" to make it less appealing. Why resort to insults unless you have no evidence?

I simply choose to embrace empirical physical alternatives to their supernatural dogma and I like to share those empirical alternates with anyone who is interested and willing to listen. It's no skin off my nose if the mainstream want's to live and die in pure ignorance and rely on placeholder terms for ignorance for their entire career and their entire lives. I'm just not obligated to do so.

Poisoning the well again, this time referring it to superstition.

Also, your claims that it's no skin off your nose would be a lot more convincing if you didn't constantly try to derail every single conversation you join into a discussion about this.

 

[Speedwell]

Yes, I left out the "last nail in evolutions coffin"

No, that's one of the few true things about evolution you have ever posted. Evolution does not require that creatures evolve during their lifetimes. It particularly does not require or predict that a creature will change from one species to another during its life. You must have a strange notion of evolution indeed if you think that stating that fact somehow contradicts the theory.

I know, I get it, evolution/speciation never happens. It is ONLY referred to when showing "transitional fossils", never live animals that you claim are evolving as we speak .. which means what?
The grave, death, skull&bones, deep caves, gloom and doom.

Why is speciation only talked about in fossils? What, do you actually believe that "speciation" happens in the grave, where dried up bones of one species of animal speciate into another? That is exactly what Dawkins was saying in this video

time 1:16

What do you mean by "never?" What about the speciation we observe in the lab and in the field, speciation of living animals? Fossils are only evidence that speciation ocurred in the past just as it does today.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I know, I get it, evolution/speciation never happens.

It is ONLY referred to when showing "transitional fossils", never live animals that you claim are evolving as we speak

Wrong, it's an ongoing process in all populations of living things.

Why is speciation only talked about in fossils?

That's false. Fossils provide evidence of past speciation.

Here are some links about contemporary observations of speciation:

Evidence From Observed Speciation
Watching speciation Occur: Observations
Speciation Observed - Again
Speciation in a Lab Flask
Speciation of Wasps Observed
8 Examples of Evolution in Action
Scientists watch a new species evolve

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... Also, your claims that it's no skin off your nose would be a lot more convincing if you didn't constantly try to derail every single conversation you join into a discussion about this.

It's like a virus - and it appears to have infected yet another thread.

You could try quarantine...

 

[Arius]

I honestly can not for the life of me see what point you are trying to make.

Science is wrong because a scientist thinks different religious beliefs should be mocked? Yet you admit that you would have been mocked for holding a belief different to those would would have mocked you, so that kinda falls flat, doesn't it?

Evolution Religion is not science, as I keep presenting evidence of that from the get go, .. starting with speciation.
Dawkins mocks the Christian Religion because he is a cult Leader and has nothing but hate in his heart. I guess that's what digging up graves and robbing them of the skull and bones of the families loved ones does to him.

Why would we debate gorillas about the merits of evolution? Are you suggesting that we would rather believe a Gorilla instead of God? Aren't you presupposing that we believe in God in the first place?

Because evolution calls humans animals who evolved (but not evolved at the same time) from gorillas.
I suppose atheist believe in God? Well actually I was debating this one atheist who was getting real hateful and angry, so I asked him: "Why do you hate God so much?"
He said: "How could I hate God when I don't believe he exists, .. so how can I hate something that doesn't exist!?"
I asked him how many people does he know that debate, argue, hate on something or someone who doesn't exist?
Because I know of none.

Even for those believers who accept evolution, there are lots of Christians who take the Bible as metaphor rather than literal fact.

Which is why I'm not, .. or no longer a Christian. They're the ones invented the Big-Bang story, and turned God into an idea, .. an "it", .. concept rather than what the Bible reveals who He is. On top of that, they took Gods son Word and turned him into their sun-god.

And there is, of course, the mountains of genetic evidence that point to all life having a single common ancestor long ago.

No it doesn't. It points to a single creator, using the same source "dust".

How closely are gorillas related to us? - Berggorilla & Regenwald Direkthilfe e.V.
- Certain genes that were analyzed differ by only 1.2% between humans and chimpanzees, by 1.6% between humans and gorillas and by 1.8% between gorillas and chimpanzees.
Taking a motorcycle and a car apart also shows

If we take a motorcycle and a car apart, and compare the motorcycle parts to all the parts in a car, we would find that basically they are both made out of the same materials, same type of nuts and bolts, glass, plastic etc. and tracing it back, we would find the same creators, us humans. This doesn't prove that the car evolved from a motorcycle, which evolved from a nut (amoeba).

You say evolution makes monkeys out of humanity. Such a witty turn of phrase, so of course it must be true. [/sarcasm] Of course, I could argue that religion makes humanity into dirt, which is hardly any better.

But the body is made of dust particles, "for dust thou art, and to, .."
I agree, Religion is not better. And I agree with you 100% Religion is bad whether it claims science, or god/gods. I know of one that took over both.
Now religious deeds like visiting the widows and the orphans, that would be true religion. But not creating gods, and doctrines for those gods like the Christian Religion has by creating the Big-Bang story and replacing Gods creation with it.
This is why they created space, and their universe and renamed all the stars after their gods: Mars, Jupiter, Venus etc.

And how does it cost billions of dollars to keep up the "lie" of the Big Bang theory? Do you really believe this? What possible gain could come from it?

About 10 billion a month, so far Trillions of dollars for fake moon landings, Mars landings, fake drawings passed of as actual photos of planets which don't exist etc. The BB- created an imaginary universe.

Have you heard of "Operation Paperclip"? They are the ones that created snake-tongued NASA. Look it up and you will see "what benefit" taking over the minds and hearts of people through magical deception can bring, .. one is, you can ask any amount of money you want, and the other is you can rule over the whole world.
Remember Satan offering Jesus the "whole world" if he just bowed down to him and worshipped him?
Well guess who bowed down instead, a population of evolving apes and now rule the world!? That's why both snake tongued NASA and 666CERN dedicate themselves to Satan, and sacrifice both money and human lives to him.
But you know Satan, the more you give him,. the more he requires; next plan; Agenda 21, 2030 which is a staggering 6.5 billion human souls. Promising the half billion left; the Whole World to themselves.

You don't seem to have spent any time looking at the evidence for the things you try to dismiss, and honestly, the arguments you spout are no different to those of conspiracy theorists.

Conspiracy Theorist-
Lol, ..
President Kennedy was murdered! Electricity, Solar are all free energy! "ah, there goes another conspiracy theorist", .. got to love it.
If I talk against the BB or Evolution stories, then I am labeled a "science hater", .. if I say I love people, I am labeled a 'stalker', .. oh well, it's not that the Bible didn't warn us Believers about that?

 

[bhsmte]

Evolution Religion is not science, as I keep presenting evidence of that from the get go, .. starting with speciation.
Dawkins mocks the Christian Religion because he is a cult Leader and has nothing but hate in his heart. I guess that's what digging up graves and robbing them of the skull and bones of the families loved ones does to him.



Because evolution calls humans animals who evolved (but not evolved at the same time) from gorillas.
I suppose atheist believe in God? Well actually I was debating this one atheist who was getting real hateful and angry, so I asked him: "Why do you hate God so much?"
He said: "How could I hate God when I don't believe he exists, .. so how can I hate something that doesn't exist!?"
I asked him how many people does he know that debate, argue, hate on something or someone who doesn't exist?
Because I know of none.



Which is why I'm not, .. or no longer a Christian. They're the ones invented the Big-Bang story, and turned God into an idea, .. an "it", .. concept rather than what the Bible reveals who He is. On top of that, they took Gods son Word and turned him into their sun-god.



No it doesn't. It points to a single creator, using the same source "dust".

How closely are gorillas related to us? - Berggorilla & Regenwald Direkthilfe e.V.
- Certain genes that were analyzed differ by only 1.2% between humans and chimpanzees, by 1.6% between humans and gorillas and by 1.8% between gorillas and chimpanzees.
Taking a motorcycle and a car apart also shows

If we take a motorcycle and a car apart, and compare the motorcycle parts to all the parts in a car, we would find that basically they are both made out of the same materials, same type of nuts and bolts, glass, plastic etc. and tracing it back, we would find the same creators, us humans. This doesn't prove that the car evolved from a motorcycle, which evolved from a nut (amoeba).



But the body is made of dust particles, "for dust thou art, and to, .."
I agree, Religion is not better. And I agree with you 100% Religion is bad whether it claims science, or god/gods. I know of one that took over both.
Now religious deeds like visiting the widows and the orphans, that would be true religion. But not creating gods, and doctrines for those gods like the Christian Religion has by creating the Big-Bang story and replacing Gods creation with it.
This is why they created space, and their universe and renamed all the stars after their gods: Mars, Jupiter, Venus etc.



About 10 billion a month, so far Trillions of dollars for fake moon landings, Mars landings, fake drawings passed of as actual photos of planets which don't exist etc. The BB- created an imaginary universe.

Have you heard of "Operation Paperclip"? They are the ones that created snake-tongued NASA. Look it up and you will see "what benefit" taking over the minds and hearts of people through magical deception can bring, .. one is, you can ask any amount of money you want, and the other is you can rule over the whole world.
Remember Satan offering Jesus the "whole world" if he just bowed down to him and worshipped him?
Well guess who bowed down instead, a population of evolving apes and now rule the world!? That's why both snake tongued NASA and 666CERN dedicate themselves to Satan, and sacrifice both money and human lives to him.
But you know Satan, the more you give him,. the more he requires; next plan; Agenda 21, 2030 which is a staggering 6.5 billion human souls. Promising the half billion left; the Whole World to themselves.



Conspiracy Theorist-
Lol, ..
President Kennedy was murdered! Electricity, Solar are all free energy! "ah, there goes another conspiracy theorist", .. got to love it.
If I talk against the BB or Evolution stories, then I am labeled a "science hater", .. if I say I love people, I am labeled a 'stalker', .. oh well, it's not that the Bible didn't warn us Believers about that?

And, what are your qualifications to tell us what sciencs is and what it isnt?

 

[Michael]

Well, if someone without any training in the field like you can see the truth, then obviously the people who, you know, STUDY IT FOR A LIVING must know the truth as well, but they continue to feed us lies.

False dichotomy. If an atheist like you, without any formal training on the topic of God can "see the truth" as you put it, like I "see the truth" (actually just lack belief) about exotic matter, that doesn't mean every Priest agrees with your assessment, or that they are consciously and intentionally lying does it?

What are they trying to cover up? There must be SOMETHING11!!11!!!!1!!one!!1!!!

You mean a lack of empirical evidence perhaps? Since when was 'having faith' in something without empirical supporting evidence a "cover up"?

Considering that the paper he won the Nobel for was in THEORETICAL PHYSICS and not astronomy, I don't see what difference it makes. Einstein was never an astronomer, was he? He was a physicist.

He was a professional patent clerk at the time.

Well, clearly you're just as smart as Einstein! So where's YOUR Nobel prize?

Strawman. FYI, the guy who wrote the cosmology theory I hold belief in also won a Nobel prize in MHD theory (physics).

Yeah, people, governments, industry, universities, they all drop billions of dollars into things that have no useful results.

Care to prove me wrong?

Oh my goodness, this is hilarious.

You make the claim that sceintists publish papers that contradict their own claims, yet what do you produice as evidence?

A post on an internet forum, NOT a scientific paper!

Was the person who wrote it a scientist? No! It is someone who has the same name as you! Tell me, is this Michael Mozina you, by any chance?

Evidently you didn't follow any of the links I provided you in that thread because I listed numerous *published papers* that all contradict mainstream theory, most of which were written by "professionals".

Only because they lacked the ability to perform the measurements required to confirm his theories until then!

That's simply not true. They could have gone to the lab and recreated his experiments anytime they wished. They could still do so with respect to his solar theories in fact.

So you assume that because he was right about one thing, he must be right about others?

No, I have a whole list of reasons as to why he's right, starting with the fact that it works in the lab.

EU/PC - Electric Universe/Plasma Cosmology theory.

Oh, and in a glaring case of unsubtleness, you attempt to poison the well by decrying it as "bad dogma" to make it less appealing. Why resort to insults unless you have no evidence?

You have the burden of proof standing on it's head. I don't need to provide evidence *against* exotic matter, in fact it's impossible to demonstrate a negative. They need to provide evidence *for it*. They tried to the tune of billions of dollars and they failed. I lack belief in their dogma.

Poisoning the well again, this time referring it to superstition.

What else would you have me call it?

Also, your claims that it's no skin off your nose would be a lot more convincing if you didn't constantly try to derail every single conversation you join into a discussion about this.

Oh well. I do enjoy discussing cosmology theory and particle physics theory on a science forum.

 

[HitchSlap]

And, what are your qualifications to tell us what sciencs is and what it isnt?

I’m guessing bible and hovind.

 

[Johan Abrahams]

This is actually something that will take time to be seen. And you will need time with me and what I am saying and doing.

I already wrote many topics on this. And now I am taking those that has some knowledge in actual doing what I wrote about.

So. The link I gave is links with the skeptics. It is links with those in "darkness". And to help them see the light I give the the sign Jesus said He is giving.

Mat. 12
38 ¶Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Because if we deviate from this sign we deviate from Jesus. And thus we deviate from His promise that He will be with us. Not meaning now that He will forsake us in our relationship but just meaning that there will be no Power released to reveal to those in darkness. And we need this Power of Revelation to reach them. Without it we are just waisting our time.

So I used this sign over here.

True Love - The Skeptics Society Forum

And after having witnessed in the Power of the Sign I am now going on to release them from their slavery.

As they are still enslaved to the law which we are released from. So they are suffering there in darkness under their "bosses".

Total Freedom - The Skeptics Society Forum

Their bosses are ruling them by laws. And they work by force and fear. So these people are ruled by force and fear. Fear of being banned as already happened to me.

Where I am totally banned for giving the the Sign.
[Merged] A God of Love / The Living God - International Skeptics Forum

And over here where I am just suspended for some time for giving them the sign.

Superman and God

So while speaking to them I also linked them here so that they can see the debating and learn from it. And we look over there and see their struggle and debate accordingly over here to help them over there.

Total Freedom

And together we learn from one another and walk the Way to more Light.

 

[Arius]

No, that's one of the few true things about evolution you have ever posted. Evolution does not require that creatures evolve during their lifetimes. It particularly does not require or predict that a creature will change from one species to another during its life. You must have a strange notion of evolution indeed if you think that stating that fact somehow contradicts the theory.

For the hundredth time, how do species evolve from one distinct species to another distinct species if not while they are alive?

Example from the evolution story:
4 million BC, here is a population of gorillas, .. no humans can be found
2 million BC here is a population of humans

Did a population of gorillas evolve into humans or no?
If no, was it a population of dinosaur-ducks that evolved to human? In every evolution story (I can show you probably thousands) where they depict gorillas to human, so I'm pretty sure that it was gorillas that over millions of years evolved to human.

If not, whatever that "Common Ancestor" was that evolved into human had to be either gorilla, or human. So what was it?

We know now that Ota Benga was a human turned into a gorilla, but never a gorilla into a human, because as you guys claim that "Evolution from one species into another NEVER happen in any living animals lifetime. Never means not in this or any past generations "lifetime". If I'm wrong, just point to the generation, you know, that "T" Dawkins keeps pointing to that did speciate into a human?

What do you mean by "never?" What about the speciation we observe in the lab and in the field, speciation of living animals? Fossils are only evidence that speciation ocurred in the past just as it does today.

Finally you have evidence of one species of animal population speciating into another,, .. thank the Lord!

Show me?

Where are the ones in the lab? You don't mean the population of bacteria that gets immune to antibiotics do you? Because they remain bacteria. But I Am excited about the animals you just said have evolved/speciated into another species! Now we're talking science buddy!

Show me what species they were before, and what they turned into after?

Thank you ahead of time!

God bless you.

 

[Arius]

bhsmte said -And, what are your qualifications to tell us what sciencs is and what it isn't?

I’m guessing bible and hovind.

Science is:
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

The Bible does a great job of getting us started on science.

What science is not:
A bunch of credentials from different atheist and Jesuit built and funded universities thinking now you have the right to make up fantastic stories and claim them as science.

My once hero Dr. Dino Hovind stopped talking to me (three times) when he heard I had proof/evidence of God, because it conflicted with his trinity-god theory which there was no evidence of, but had to be believed in on blind faith which was "not debatable".

But he never used my observation that: "Evolution does not believe in Evolution/speciation", so that there, .. and that he is still spinning and twirling through the cold dark vacuum of space that is expanding and slowing down at the same time because of the magical gravity, we no longer see eye to eye, nor do we worship the same God. He makes his living from Christians, so I guess he can't afford to let God in his life, his home, or his church.

 

[Skreeper]

This is actually something that will take time to be seen. And you will need time with me and what I am saying and doing.

I already wrote many topics on this. And now I am taking those that has some knowledge in actual doing what I wrote about.

So. The link I gave is links with the skeptics. It is links with those in "darkness". And to help them see the light I give the the sign Jesus said He is giving.

Mat. 12
38 ¶Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Because if we deviate from this sign we deviate from Jesus. And thus we deviate from His promise that He will be with us. Not meaning now that He will forsake us in our relationship but just meaning that there will be no Power released to reveal to those in darkness. And we need this Power of Revelation to reach them. Without it we are just waisting our time.

So I used this sign over here.

True Love - The Skeptics Society Forum

And after having witnessed in the Power of the Sign I am now going on to release them from their slavery.

As they are still enslaved to the law which we are released from. So they are suffering there in darkness under their "bosses".

Total Freedom - The Skeptics Society Forum

Their bosses are ruling them by laws. And they work by force and fear. So these people are ruled by force and fear. Fear of being banned as already happened to me.

Where I am totally banned for giving the the Sign.
[Merged] A God of Love / The Living God - International Skeptics Forum

And over here where I am just suspended for some time for giving them the sign.

Superman and God

So while speaking to them I also linked them here so that they can see the debating and learn from it. And we look over there and see their struggle and debate accordingly over here to help them over there.

Total Freedom

And together we learn from one another and walk the Way to more Light.

Okay there buddy you need to sober up and stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking.

 

[Skreeper]

The Bible does a great job of getting us started on science.

The Bible does a great job at being wrong about a lot of things too.