Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

[SBC]

Why does John give us an escape clause in chapter 1?

bugkiller

Don't know what you refer to as an escape clause. Could you be more specific?

Thanks,
God Bless,
SBC

 

[Old Trapper]

Hello Alexpro.

Jesus was talking to the Jews here, Jesus was only sent to the Jews.

Then He was not sent for us? Why worship Him then?

John 10:16
"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."

Matthew 28:18-20
"And Jesus came and said to them, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.' "

 

[Blade]

Forgive me if this was said already. Paul wrote to some Jewish people that found Christ. Then when they sinned they would try to go back and offer up something for that sin. There is no more sacrifice for that sin. Can Christ die again? In the OT this sacrifice would only cover never get rid of sin.

Christ died for ALL sins. Once and for all. No sin you did yesterday or tomorrow makes it past the blood of A GOD. This is why Paul also said.. so can we just SIN all we want then? GOD FORBID! If Christ is IN YOU.. you do not want to sin. You spirit that was made NEW..does not EVER want to sin. It can not sin. that with is BRON OF GOD can not sin Now the FLESH...we ALL know it loves to sin.

So... those that willful sin? No one on this planet can speak to that. No one knows the heart but the Father PRAISE GOD! For ME...its a place I WOULD NOT want to be.. man repent.. ask for the Fathers help and HE WILL give it.

 

[Old Trapper]

Hello Old Trapper.

Not all things as far as the law is concerned, or are you referring to something else not being fulfilled?

Actually no. I guess I should have been more accurate in my posting of that particular verse since it also refers to the Prophets, and I am certain not all prophecies have been fulfilled:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

In fact, the Law is still our guide not that we are bound by it. For without the Law we would not know good and evil.

 

[SBC]

I would call it premeditated and deliberate. I would not call it something done in the heat of the moment.

bugkiller

I would call it a trespass, between men, and not a sin.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Alexpro]

Hello Alexpro.

Jesus was talking to the Jews here, Jesus was only sent to the Jews.

Matthew 2:2
Where is He who has been born King of the Jews?

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans 6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Matthew 15
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 15
26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

Matthew 19
28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Wow, you really don't know what your talking about. Seriously Jesus was only sent for the Jew's.

 

[The Times]

In a way yes indeed I'm saying exactly that. I'm not doing away as in annihilation (blotting out as not ever existing). Jer 31:31-33 specifically says "new" (an adjective) covenant not according to (unlike in content) the covenant Israel broke (Deut 4:13). If you do not like that try on -

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. Heb 10

First and Second can not be the same. Or perhaps you should consider -

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Heb 7

The Jew always spoke of the law as a single indivisible unit. This is stated by Paul Gal 5) and James (chap 2).

Jesus said -

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Lk 24

This is a direct reference to Mat 5 you quoted. As I showed with Heb 7 the law has changed or Jesus is a fraudulent sinner and disqualified as our Savior.

bugkiller

Very good exegesis.

John 1:17 says it all....

17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

There is the contrasting difference, right there and then. Notice it does not say righteousness/justice and truth, for it says Grace and truth, because Grace was the substitute for righteosness/justice, which is the Mosaic Law. That is why it is written the righteousness of Jesus is imputed onto our behaves, by the outpouring of Grace from the person of the Son.

If we stay in the Son and be pleasing to him, then we are walking in his truth, where the law that condemned to death, is no longer admissible in God's deliberation as the righteous Judge. What a beautiful Jesus we have, as he says for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

 

[The Times]

No. As a Preterists I believe -

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Jn 5


bugkiller

Yes passing from this temporal life as we say in the Eastern Orthdox faith, to eternal life, to be forever present with the glorified Lord.

 

[The Times]

You can go back and edit if you like. I do often when I mess up. I detest misspelled words and other English errors. Auto correct is great most of the time. But if you leave the "t" off of "the" auto correct will not change it.

bugkiller

Ok, Thankyou.

 

[Alexpro]

Say and believe anything you like.It's OK with me. But when you try to force that on others it is not OK.Like I said you can say and believe anything you like. I believe you either missed or do not accept -

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Lk 24

This is a direct reference to Mat 5:17. Read the context of my verse in blue bold. Which ones does your quote refer to? I do not think it refers to all the law or even the famous 10 Cs. The words in your quote one of these least commandments.

bugkiller

Yes it does. just read it. It's very clear and straight forward its referring to the law. I'm going by scripture. I agree with Jesus. You could impose your personal opinion. That's on you.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

I think it's talking about you. I'm going by scripture. It's very clear and straight forward you can't twist this one like a lot of heretics do.

 

[The Times]

I disagree with your terminology.

Why, what do you disagree about in particular?

The womb, is applicable to this world, bringing forth, something living and separate from the one whose womb it is.

Are we not being brought forth from this temporal life to eternal life, in the resurrection of the dead?

How are we not in the spiritual womb so to speak, until we are birthed into our incorruptible heavenly bodies on resurrection day?

Spiritual bringing forth pertains to the individual, his spirit, effected By Gods Seed in the individuals heart, which bonds and seals the man WITH God forever.

Yes it is sown as a seed, but in the resurrection it sprouts as something else as apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:37.

Being saved, IS absolutely dependent, on it beginning of being effected.

Being on the starting line, doesn't guarantee that you will finish the race, does it?

Also disagree with your statement regarding your "name".

OK.

 

[The Times]

No one makes your choices for you, but you.
If you do not know what you choose or why,
I suppose, you would not be expressly familiar with yourself.

God Bless,
SBC

I am looking at this a little deeper than you. Knowing thyself is not an intellectual exercise. As we are now a new creation, that is the seed or fetus that is planted, we are growing with Christ, in the spiritual womb, as we are being sanctified and on a daily basis we are finding more and more about what we are becoming on. That is why apostle John said in 1 John 3:2 that it does not yet appear what we will be.

It is a slow reveal, until we are birthed on resurrection day.

 

[Alexpro]

Yes it does. just read it. It's very clear and straight forward its referring to the law. I'm going by scripture. I agree with Jesus. You could impose your personal opinion. That's on you.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

I think it's talking about you. I'm going by scripture. It's very clear and straight forward you can't twist this one like a lot of heretics do.

Another point. If you read the scripture and if your trying to get the correct and accurate interpretation.

First of all read chapter 5:19.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,

Jesus is talking about the old law because in the new covenant with Jesus there is no new law or new commandment like declared in the Old Testament so it's not really hard to figure out that Jesus is talking about the old law from the Old Testament. The commandments are in the Old Testament. We don't have new commandments in the New Testament.

Jesus said he came to fulfill not take away. I'm going by scripture.

 

[Alexpro]

Say and believe anything you like.It's OK with me. But when you try to force that on others it is not OK.Like I said you can say and believe anything you like. I believe you either missed or do not accept -

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Lk 24

This is a direct reference to Mat 5:17. Read the context of my verse in blue bold. Which ones does your quote refer to? I do not think it refers to all the law or even the famous 10 Cs. The words in your quote one of these least commandments.

bugkiller

Another point. If you read the scripture and if your trying to get the correct and accurate interpretation.

First of all read chapter 5:19.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,

Jesus is talking about the old law because in the new covenant with Jesus there is no new law or new commandment like declared in the Old Testament so it's not really hard to figure out that Jesus is talking about the old law from the Old Testament. The commandments are in the Old Testament. We don't have new commandments in the New Testament.

Jesus said he came to fulfill not take away. I'm going by scripture.

 

[SBC]

Why, what do you disagree about in particular?

Already told you.

Are we not being brought forth from this temporal life to eternal life, in the resurrection of the dead?

We wait to see. God doesn't.

How are we not in the spiritual womb so to speak, until we are birthed into our incorruptible heavenly bodies on resurrection day?

Again, WE wait to see. God doesn't.

Yes it is sown as a seed, but in the resurrection it sprouts as something else as apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:37.

We are still mortal. We shall put on immortality. We wait to see. God already knows and sees.

Being on the starting line, doesn't guarantee that you will finish the race, does it?

Hearing, is the starting line.
Submission unto the Lord, is not the end of what the Lord has prepared for His people, but it is His Word, you have crossed the line being AGAINST GOD, to forever being WITH GOD.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

I am looking at this a little deeper than you. Knowing thyself is not an intellectual exercise. As we are now a new creation, that is the seed or fetus that is planted, we are growing with Christ, in the spiritual womb, as we are being sanctified and on a daily basis we are finding more and more about what we are becoming on. That is why apostle John said in 1 John 3:2 that it does not yet appear what we will be.

It is a slow reveal, until we are birthed on resurrection day.

Thank you for revealing you know the depth of my view of Scripture.

Spiritual soul saving, and Spiritual spirit birthing occurs in a man in his life, ie his blood, while the man is ON earth.

You are speaking of a Change of the body, which glorifies the body, that we wait to see, at the same time we shall be able to see the Lord, as He is. A gift to those in standing "WITH" the Lord.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JIMINZ]

I think your problem with I Jn 3:9 is definitions (false doctrine).

bugkiller

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Your entitled to your opinions, but that does not make them correct.

Look to the False Doctrine you call truth.

 

[JIMINZ]

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[JIMINZ]

I am looking at this a little deeper than you. Knowing thyself is not an intellectual exercise. As we are now a new creation, that is the seed or fetus that is planted, we are growing with Christ, in the spiritual womb, as we are being sanctified and on a daily basis we are finding more and more about what we are becoming on. That is why apostle John said in 1 John 3:2 that it does not yet appear what we will be.

It is a slow reveal, until we are birthed on resurrection day.

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No, your wrong, as with everything else you say.

 

[JIMINZ]

Wow, you really don't know what your talking about. Seriously Jesus was only sent for the Jew's.

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Ignorance is not believing what you read in the Bible.

Mat. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.