Universal Salvation - Did you know that this is at the core of the Gospel?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

... get people to question the word of God. Little has changed since then.

That appears to be the point of repeating meaningless questions
then with the wrong answers leading others into more error,
that leads away from God's Word, eh?

Here are those questions again:

 

[Phil 1:21]

That appears to be the point of repeating meaningless questions
then with the wrong answers leading others into more error,
that leads away from God's Word, eh?

Absolutely. It is quite literally the oldest trick in satan's book.

 

[SkyWriting]

Here are those questions again:

Do you believe God finishes what He started?
Do you believe God is the giver of Life?

I only have time to debate a reasoned and rational debate with those that are looking up the scripture and checking it themselves.
Bible Search: foundation

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Absolutely. It is quite literally the oldest trick in satan's book.

Let's pray and perhaps in YHWH'S WILL we can start some threads based on truth instead of false ideas. (it is rare, but perhaps doable here on this site)....

Most people (the world) hate the truth, most readers therefore won't accept this,
but
as Jesus Says a "few" may love the light and turn to YHWH to be healed.

(so far though, only one person I know after diligent inquiries and searching has testified that they were 'saved' via the internet in the last ten years --- this might only be a barren desert/ overgrown field in that respect) ....

 

[SkyWriting]

Here are those questions again:

Do you believe God finishes what He started?
Do you believe God is the giver of Life?

Jesus said He was the life.
Jesus said his work was finished.

Scripture also mentioned:
-"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
-For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell
- It is better for you to enter
the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell
-Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
-Fear him who, after your body has been
killed, has authority to throw you into hell.
- You won't be lifted up to heaven, will you? You'll go down to Hell!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Jesus said He was the life.
Jesus said his work was finished.

He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but thru Him.

What does Jesus say about those who reject Him, those who oppose YHWH'S Word ?

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Jesus said He was the life.
Jesus said his work was finished.

Scripture also mentioned:
-"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
-For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell
- It is better for you to enter
the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell
-Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
-Fear him who, after your body has been
killed, has authority to throw you into hell.
- You won't be lifted up to heaven, will you? You'll go down to Hell!

Here is those questions again:

Do you believe God finishes what He started?
Do you believe God is the giver of Life?

that are easy answers - yes or no

Mat_5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you believe God is the giver of Life?

I found one passage to support that, but "foundations" require multiple passages.

 

[SkyWriting]

He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but thru Him.

What does Jesus say about those who reject Him, those who oppose YHWH'S Word ?

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Universal Salvation - Did you know that this is at the core of the Gospel?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Since He "started" to destroy the earth - it is prophesied by Him in His Word,
and all the people will be destroyed by fire this next time (not by water),
then certainly He will finish this also - His Word is Always Truth.

He is the ONLY giver of life, and He is also the taker of life. No contradiction to His Word there.

Would someone else like to take YHWH'S PLACE, and try to deny His Perfect Justice and His Judgment that He has already made ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

oh oh.....

a few people have said a lot more than yes and no, in trying to promote pernicious doctrines in this forum and in other forums. (perhaps hoping to save the souls of dear relatives or friends who departed(died) still in sin , apart from God, never to know Him) ....

What happens to them ?

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Post 65
Universal Salvation - Did you know that this is at the core of the Gospel?

Ok, so you do believe that God gives life and that and finishes what He started. Good we agree then right?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[SkyWriting]

Ok, so you do believe that God gives life and that and finishes what He started. Good we agree then right?

Nope.
Neither of your statements are a valid foundation.
Both are built on sand and made of frosting.

 

[Hewillcome2040]

Nope.
Neither of your statements are valid.

Ok, so we have established that you do not believe God gives life and that you do not believe He finishes what He started. correct?

 

[mkgal1]

I've not read through all the posts, but just wanted to add a few more verses that support the OP:

Did you know it is contrary to ALL SCRIPTURE?

.....nope.....not so. There are quite a few that support all of what the OP stated:

ETA:

"And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself."~John 12:32

"For he must remain in heaven until the time for the final restoration of all things, as God promised long ago through his holy prophets."~Acts 3:31

"Yes, Adam's one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ's one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone."~Romans 5:18

"For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."~Romans 11:32

"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive"~1 Corinthians 15:22

"For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people's sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation."~ 2nd Corinthians 5:19

"This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. "~Timothy 2:3-4

"For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people."~Titus 2:11

"What we do see is Jesus, who was given a position "a little lower than the angels"; and because he suffered death for us, he is now "crowned with glory and honor." Yes, by God's grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone."~Hebrews 2:9

"He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world"~1 John 2:2

"The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."~2 Peter 3:9








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[Acts2:38]

Hello,
Thank you for your reply and time.

I'm calling the verse your quoting as not being understood correctly.

I agree with you. Someone here is not understanding this verse. I notice you wish to bring in Greek words, lets do. Let us show what the scripture says in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.

The word for eternal is not unending.

The word eternal or everlasting in the scriptures is not what it appears. It is derived from a Greek Word "aionios" which does NOT mean an unending duration.

I disagree. You seem to have the correct Greek word, but I believe your trouble is understanding context/reading comprehension. Do not take this as an insult as it is not intended to be. You also do not seem to know the definition of anionios, so I will show you below the correct definition.

Pulling up verse 9 of 2 Thessalonians 1:

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"

The word you are putting into question is, "everlasting". You are telling me that this DOES NOT mean "forever for all time, never ending". I am telling you that it DOES.

So, the word that you seem to already know aiōnios or everlasting:

"αἰώνιος aiṓnios, ahee-o'-nee-os; from G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):—eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began)."

Now, here is the context options for the word in question. These are 3 different ways that the Greek language uses this word fitting with the context of the sentence structure.

1-without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be;
2-without beginning
3-without end, never to cease, everlasting

It is the same word used in Hebrews 9:12 which says,

"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal[aiōnios] redemption for us."

So if what you say is correct, then Jesus DID NOT obtain redemption for us "for all time forever and ever, never ending". So what your telling me is that Jesus has to die on the cross a second time?

If you still do not get it, look at 2 Peter 1:11, which says,
"For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting[aiōnios] kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Are you telling me that the "kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" is something that will end? Are you telling me it is not "never ending"?

These two examples I have shown you are the same exact word used in 2 Thessalonians 1:9.

So I'll ask you. How long is the unforgiving servant punished? See the following:

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Let me answer your question with my questions, if that is okay.

Luke 16, the story of the Rich Man.

If torment was, as you say, temporary, then why does the Rich man beg so persistently to have someone warn his family before they meet the same fate?

Why doesn't the rich man just wait it out, keep his dignity, and wait till he is released, then warn his family?

Why even worry about his family at all, if it is temporary punishment? After all, if you commit a crime it is only fair you are punished right? So why worry about his family if it is just temporary?

Last question:
If the punishment was temporary for the rich man, then what does this verse mean here-
"26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."

 

[Deadworm]

friend of :"Regarding Philippians 2:10-11, these passages do not suggest that all who admit that Jesus is Lord will be saved. You are reading something into scripture that isn't there."

Wrong on 3 counts:
(1) You ignore Hewillcome's point that no one can sincerely confess Jesus as Lord apart from the work of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:3).

(2) You ignore the source of inspiration for the Philippian hymn in 2:6-11:
"Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth...To me every knee shall bow and every tongue shall swear (Isaiah 45:22-23)."

The hymn's language is based on God's invitation in Isaiah to universal salvation! Such NT texts can be multiplied.

(3) So far the anti-universalists on this thread don't know Greek or Hebrew and therefore don't realize that the Hebrew "olam" means "for an indefinitely long time," but is usually mistranslated "eternal" and the Greek "aionios" means "age-long." Thus in intertestamental Jewish literature, the question is asked about what happens after the aionios period ends.

Also, our anti-universalists continually duck the OP's 10 Bible-based questions. btw, I know neither Hewillcome or Clement. I just want posters to shed their ideological shackles and allow an honest and truth-seeking discussion of the relevant texts. So let's get into the Word!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

.....nope.....not so. There are quite a few that support all of what the OP stated:

Not by ALL Scripture though.... as long as all the OP states (or you or anyone else),
is contrary to even one Scripture, it is false.
For universal theories, they have to ignore many Scriptures, in order to protect the false doctrines.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Also, our anti-universalists continually duck the OP's 10 Bible-based questions. btw, I know neither Hewillcome or Clement. I just want posters to shed their ideological shackles and allow an honest and truth-seeking discussion of the relevant texts. So let's get into the Word!

Yes, get into the Word of YHWH (God)
and let God Reveal , as He will, His Will, His Understanding , to little children who love Him and who are called according to His Purpose.
Otherwise, also,
No one has to duck, nor even read, nor even reply to the questions you refer to to
know the topic is anti-Scripture ..... thus it would just be pointless "wrangling" about words (like the warning God gives about avoiding endless genealogies since they benefit no one) ,
and since Scripture is not permitted to have the final say (is not the authority ) when false (already known and proven long ago) doctrines are brought up,
since Scripture exposes the errors therein,
it just is never-ending and no one changes their stand. (so far in ten years plus on this topic and other heresies too).