Millennial Considerations

[Truth7t7]

DavidPT wrote:

"When it comes to Amils though, they are clearly closedminded to anything allegedly proving Premil. Many Amils were actually Premil initially, but then eventually changed positions. On another board I knew of an Amil exactly like that. One time he indicated, that once one has gone from Premil to Amil, there is no turning back to the former, ever. I believe him since I have yet to encounter any hardcore Amils who were initially Premils then went back to Premil eventually. In the event you think you might present something that is going to make a hardcore Amil seriously reconsider Premil, you're only fooling yourself if you think that might happen.

So what is the point in even discussing these things with Amils? There's these readers of these threads to consider, the ones who read but don't participate in these threads. These discussions might help them to decide what seems more likely, Premil or Amil."

Thanks for this insight David...... very thought provoking..... Amils do seem to spend most of their time attacking and vilifying Premil rather than publishing a systematic interpretation of the Scripture that reconciles everything (perhaps because they cannot)...... notice the vicious attacks on men like Darby, Walvoord, Chafer and Scofield..... they will resort to character assassination of men of God .... rather than publish a convincing scholarly document (with references) like the comprehensive text "the Millennial Kingdom" that I mentioned in a previous post.

For the benefit of all our readers here's two links showing the 'problems' of both Premil and Amil ..... so we can 'weigh' the two systems and forge an informed decision.

The first, documents the numerous problems with the Amil doctrine:


Amillennial Problems | Millennium | Lamb and Lion Ministries

This second, documents the supposed problems of pre-mil (as outlined by one of those Premil to Amil converts that you talk about)

Why I Changed My Mind About the Millennium

I am going to do my own Biblical research on the Second Coming ..... because I am not convinced that his assertions about it are correct.

I will publish my finding on my blog.....

Stephen's Bible Insights

a literal reading of the entire Bible supports Premil..... I understood Premil from reading the Bible alone as an unbiased teenager ..... long before I had ever heard of the likes of Scofield, Darby or Walvoord..... and long before I had ever watched Left Behind or read Late Great Planet Earth.

On the other hand the Spiritualizing of literal passages so common with the Amils in NOT intuitive ..... and one would have to be coaxed and coached in it to arrive at that persuasion.

You sure are doing alot of writing, for a guy that said he was toooo busy to back up his claim of thousands of verses that back a millennial kingdom.

 

[Truth7t7]

I myseof t dispute that a position labeled Amil today, that the doctrines pertaining to it already existed several hundred years prior to St. Augustine's time. I concluded that basically the same way you just did, via what Justin Martyr indicated in the quote you submitted from him. That doesn't prove Amil is the correct position then, since those such as Justin obviously held a different position. Assuming the correct position was being taught at the time, and that it was one of these, that obviously means the other position being taught at the time was not the correct position. Justin was a very intelligent man, apparently. I see no reason that he would have been misunderstanding Apostolic teachings at the time. Surely he would have known whether or not if any of the Apostles shortly before his time were teaching a literal thousand years after the 2nd coming.

Justin Martyr taught the 1000 years of Revelation were seen in the eternal realm, associated with 2 peter 3:8 and the tree of life.

Justin Martyr didnt see a "Literal" 1000 year kingdom on this earth. He taught of a literal human antichrist, great tribularion, second advent, final judgment, eternal state.

 

[Truth7t7]

Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.


Take the above passage for instance. Only mortals can perish, correct?

Isaiah 60:11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.


Now compare the above to the following.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.


Now consider the following as well.

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

Compare the above to the following.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

It should be pretty apparent by comparing these passages with one another, that the timeframe meant in Isaiah 60 and the verses I submitted from there, are meaning during the new heavens and new earth, and that timeframe has to include Isaiah 60:12. It is ludricrous that Isaiah 60:12 is meaning any of the blessed saved who have already put on immortality at this point. Mortals still living on the earth during the new heavens and new earth seem to be the only explaination for Isaiah 60:12. And since it seems unreasonable that Isaiah 60:12 would be a threat for all eternity, if we then throw a thousand year time period at the beginning of the new heavens and new earth, it seems to me that these mortals would be given a thousand years to decide whether they want to serve the 'thee' meant in that verse, and when satan is loosed, they are tested in order to see what decision they had come to.

Ok Dave I have your dilema figured out.
you dont see the big picture, you look at the small pieces.
You look at wording, to disregard the eternal state, moons, sun, heathen, plague, infant dying, etc

Do you believe in "multiple eternal judgments"?

you have agreed Matthew 25:31-46 is one?

 

[seventysevens]

You sure are doing alot of writing, for a guy that said he was toooo busy to back up his claim of thousands of verses that back a millennial kingdom.

Why don't you give a detailed description of why you refuse to accept GOD's Word ?? God is saying straight out in a very clear manner in very clear words that satan will be imprisoned fro 1000 years and set free for the very explicit purpose of deceiving people

Everyone knows what you think , but you cannot prove why the scripture exits in GOD's WORD

just pasting scripture is of no explanatory value when it is shown you don't understand it

 

[Truth7t7]

Why don't you give a detailed description of why you refuse to accept GOD's Word ?? God is saying straight out in a very clear manner in very clear words that satan will be imprisoned fro 1000 years and set free for the very explicit purpose of deceiving people

Everyone knows what you think , but you cannot prove why the scripture exits in GOD's WORD

just pasting scripture is of no explanatory value when it is shown you don't understand it

Satan is bound currently from "One specific purpose" as Revelation clearly teaches?

"Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

At the end of the future tribulation satan will be loosed to perform Gods will, to gather the nations to the final battle.

 

[seventysevens]

Satan is bound currently from "One specific purpose" as Revelation clearly teaches?

"Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

At the end of the future tribulation satan will be loosed to perform Gods will, to gather the nations to the final battle.

To be bound "in chains" means literally to be imprisoned to be disallowed freedom , if satan were to be currently bound he would not be able to deceive anybody , which shows that satan is not currently bound as satan is still actively deceiving many people all over the world

Satan is bound in chains After Jesus returns in His Glorious Coming on the clouds in Great glory which has not happened yet

 

[BABerean2]

To be bound "in chains" means literally to be imprisoned to be disallowed freedom , if satan were to be currently bound he would not be able to deceive anybody , which shows that satan is not currently bound as satan is still actively deceiving many people all over the world

Satan is bound in chains After Jesus returns in His Glorious Coming on the clouds in Great glory which has not happened yet

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


A mean dog who is chained can still hurt you if you get within his reach.

Paul still conducted his ministry during the time that he was bound in chains.

Is Satan bound with a chain made of steel, or is the chain made of the Blood of Christ?


When did Christ win the victory by binding the strong man?

Mat_12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

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[Stephen Mendes]

Morning everybody,

Welcome to this important thread.... if you are joining us for the first time there is considerable catching up to do...... over 200 postings in a short space of time.

This shows that people are passionate about the topic and eager to learn the truth (hopefully).... what about you ?..... if you are a silent reader you are in good company as there are far more readers than they are posters and we hope you will be able to make an informed decision after you have viewed the content.

Now to address a couple of points....

BABerean2 has come with a most ingenious proposition about "chained dogs still being able to do damage" (post #210) and we could accept that if it wasn't for the text itself...... the SAME text that tells us about the 'chaining' also refutes his ingenious notion !

Let us look at it closely.... we are examining Revelation chapter 20.... verse 3 clearly states that the purpose of the chaining is so that he is rendered UNABLE to deceive the nations ...... then in verse 7 and verse 8.... 'and when the thousand years were ended, Satan shall be loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth'

It is crystal clear that Satan is not bound now..... world affairs show that he is deceiving the nations worse than at any time in the history of the planet.

furthermore wherever the millennium is alluded to in scripture it is spoken of as a glorious time of unparalleled peace and righteousness among the nations.

It is therefore ridiculous to think that we are now in this millennium ..... it simply does not agree with reality.... nowhere on this planet do we find the 'millennium' conditions spoken of in the Bible.

The reason Premil is the most popular doctrine is not because of sensational videos and books...... it is because it is a doctrine that agrees with a literal reading of the Bible AND current and past world events..... it agrees with REALITY.

The link that I published from Lamb and Lion Ministries does a very good job of exposing the ridiculous nature of the Amil position.

What I am going to concentrate on in all future Biblical research is RESOLVING the 'supposed difficulties' with the Premil position.

As you saw from the second link that I posted (the 'testimony' of the Premil who defected to Amil )...... he defected because of certain 'problems' that he found and which he documents in his treatise..... it is to those that I will turn my attention.

I feel instinctively that I shall discover that his 'problems with Premil' are resolvable and that his understanding of the Bible is flawed..... unfortunately He does not list the scriptures that troubled him ..... but there is enough there that I can undertake my own research.

Would you like to follow my journey as I resolve the 'supposed objections' to Premil ? Does it interest you ?

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[Stephen Mendes]

For Truth7t7 viz a viz post #221

Yeah Buddy ..... it's really hard to break away..... need more will-power and better time management.

Suffering the same 'addiction' problem as everybody else on here.

Thread going hit post #500 before Christmas at this rate.

Have a good day.

 

[BABerean2]

The reason Premil is the most popular doctrine is not because of sensational videos and books...... it is because it is a doctrine that agrees with a literal reading of the Bible AND current and past world events..... it agrees with REALITY.

It does not agree with what Christ said in John chapter 5.
In the passage below we find the bodily resurrection of "all" the dead, both the just and the unjust at the same "hour", which is bracketed by two verse making it clear that Christ is the judge.
Either Christ was wrong or the premill doctrine is wrong.


Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Above we find the judgement of both the living and the dead at His appearing.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Above we have the nations, and wrath, and the time of the judgment of the dead along with text about reward and destruction, all in the same verse.




Lion and Lamb Ministries is one of the chief promoters of the doctrine that John Darby brought to America, about the time of the Civil War.
The history of Darby's doctrine is found below.

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[Stephen Mendes]

BABerean2 viz a viz post #230

I read these scriptures you quoting and I don't see the problem you are trying to make.

Just because John 5:28 is sandwiched between two verses on judgement..... and contains the word "all" and "hour"..... you would have us believe your incredible tale ?

I have read the Bible from cover to cover quite a few times in my life and never got "hung up" on this verse..... I think you are trying to fit this verse in with your preconceived ideas...... because as I have said numerous times..... a straight reading of the Word by someone who has never been exposed to 'these ideas'..... leads us to Millennium, a time of peace and righteousness on the earth in which Satan is bound and "the SURVIVORS of the nations go up year by year to Jeusalem to worship " (Zechariah 14:16)

This prophecy is future because it has never happened up to now.....

There is no timeline indicated by Jesus in your passage above ...... people are dying all the time and will continue to do so until every last human is either dead or 'translated' ..... so 'all' may simply refer to "all the dead at a particular point in time"..... instead of "all the dead who are ever going to die"

Furthermore, 'hour' does not have to be literally ONE HOUR of 60 minutes duration..... there are many other passages ...... sayings like .... "at that time"...... "in those days".... "one day with God is as a thousand years" (2 Peter 3:8)..... your "creative interpretation" puts stuff into the passage that does not have to be there.

Readers must consider the broader picture of the 'fruits' of these two doctrines..... Amils want to deny the Rapture of the Church.... a blessed hope of Christians for many generations...... they want to minimize the tribulation and claim that the tribulation and millenrium are occurring at the same time...... finally they spend most of their time attacking other men of God.... theological scholars who have spent their entire lives studying the scriptures..... scholars of Hebrew and Greek ...... etc.

Readers who have not been compromised in this way will have to form their own conclusions.

But it is quite clear to me that this Amil doctrine is not of God.

 

[SeventyOne]

It does not agree with what Christ said in John chapter 5.
In the passage below we find the bodily resurrection of "all" the dead, both the just and the unjust at the same "hour", which is bracketed by two verse making it clear that Christ is the judge.
Either Christ was wrong or the premill doctrine is wrong.


Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me
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This is also true...

Rev 20:4-5 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.

According to your theory, one of these passages is a lie. It's more likely they are separate events.

 

[BABerean2]

According to your theory, one of these passages is a lie. It's more likely they are separate events.

When did they come to life?

What is the first resurrection found in John chapter 5?

They cannot be separate events, based on the words of Christ in John 5:27-30 and what we find in Revelation 11:18, which are in agreement.

John 5:24

(CJB) Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever hears what I am saying and trusts the One who sent me has eternal life -- that is, he will not come up for judgment but has already crossed over from death to life!

(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

(Geneva) Verely, verely I say vnto you, he that heareth my worde, and beleeueth him that sent me, hath euerlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death vnto life.

(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.

(LITV-TSP) Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

(KJV+) Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 (G3754) He that hearethG191 myG3450 word,G3056 andG2532 believethG4100 on him that sentG3992 me,G3165 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life,G2222 andG2532 shall notG3756 comeG2064 intoG1519 condemnation;G2920 butG235 is passedG3327 fromG1537 deathG2288 untoG1519 life.G2222

(NKJV) "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

(YLT) 'Verily, verily, I say to you—He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.

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[DavidPT]

Ok Dave I have your dilema figured out.
you dont see the big picture, you look at the small pieces.
You look at wording, to disregard the eternal state, moons, sun, heathen, plague, infant dying, etc

Do you believe in "multiple eternal judgments"?

you have agreed Matthew 25:31-46 is one?

Because Matthew 25:31-46 is not meaning the great white throne judgment. It is a judgment of His professed servants. That's who are being judged here. Like I have pointed out numerous times already, if the goats represent all of the wicked in general, this would have to include satan worshipers, atheists, etc.

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

It is beyond ludicrous to even remotely think satan worshipers and atheists, too, would answer Jesus in this same manner per verse 44. The text plainly and very clearly says---Then shall they also answer him. Who shall answer Him? The goats. Obviously then, in this context the goats are meaning a certain group in particular, and that it's not meaning all of the wicked unsaved in general, because to insert satan worshipers and atheists into the text in verse 44, as an example, is to make total nonsense out of the way the goats answer Jesus. The goats are meaning unprofitable servants of Christ. I'm not the only one on the planet who sees this. All one has to do is Google in order to see there are also others that come to pretty much the same conclusions about these particular texts.

 

[Truth7t7]

The deception Satan was bound from is deceiving the nations to the final battle.

This has absolutely nothing to do with current acts of evil.

"Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

In verse 8 you see this deception in action

Revelation 20:7-9
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

To be bound "in chains" means literally to be imprisoned to be disallowed freedom , if satan were to be currently bound he would not be able to deceive anybody , which shows that satan is not currently bound as satan is still actively deceiving many people all over the world

Satan is bound in chains After Jesus returns in His Glorious Coming on the clouds in Great glory which has not happened yet

 

[seventysevens]

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[SeventyOne]

When did they come to life?

What is the first resurrection found in John chapter 5?

They cannot be separate events, based on the words of Christ in John 5:27-30 and what we find in Revelation 11:18, which are in agreement.

John 5:24

(CJB) Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever hears what I am saying and trusts the One who sent me has eternal life -- that is, he will not come up for judgment but has already crossed over from death to life!

(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

(Geneva) Verely, verely I say vnto you, he that heareth my worde, and beleeueth him that sent me, hath euerlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death vnto life.

(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.

(LITV-TSP) Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

(KJV+) Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 (G3754) He that hearethG191 myG3450 word,G3056 andG2532 believethG4100 on him that sentG3992 me,G3165 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life,G2222 andG2532 shall notG3756 comeG2064 intoG1519 condemnation;G2920 butG235 is passedG3327 fromG1537 deathG2288 untoG1519 life.G2222

(NKJV) "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

(YLT) 'Verily, verily, I say to you—He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.

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The passage itself tells you when.

Rev 20:4-5 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.

It's after the tribulation events I've bolded for you. Then it says 'the rest of the dead' comes to life later, after 1,000 years, not in the same hour. These are separate events.

 

[Truth7t7]

BABerean2 viz a viz post #230

I read these scriptures you quoting and I don't see the problem you are trying to make.

Just because John 5:28 is sandwiched between two verses on judgement..... and contains the word "all" and "hour"..... you would have us believe your incredible tale ?

I have read the Bible from cover to cover quite a few times in my life and never got "hung up" on this verse..... I think you are trying to fit this verse in with your preconceived ideas...... because as I have said numerous times..... a straight reading of the Word by someone who has never been exposed to 'these ideas'..... leads us to Millennium, a time of peace and righteousness on the earth in which Satan is bound and "the SURVIVORS of the nations go up year by year to Jeusalem to worship " (Zechariah 14:16)

This prophecy is future because it has never happened up to now.....

There is no timeline indicated by Jesus in your passage above ...... people are dying all the time and will continue to do so until every last human is either dead or 'translated' ..... so 'all' may simply refer to "all the dead at a particular point in time"..... instead of "all the dead who are ever going to die"

Furthermore, 'hour' does not have to be literally ONE HOUR of 60 minutes duration..... there are many other passages ...... sayings like .... "at that time"...... "in those days".... "one day with God is as a thousand years" (2 Peter 3:8)..... your "creative interpretation" puts stuff into the passage that does not have to be there.

Readers must consider the broader picture of the 'fruits' of these two doctrines..... Amils want to deny the Rapture of the Church.... a blessed hope of Christians for many generations...... they want to minimize the tribulation and claim that the tribulation and millenrium are occurring at the same time...... finally they spend most of their time attacking other men of God.... theological scholars who have spent their entire lives studying the scriptures..... scholars of Hebrew and Greek ...... etc.

Readers who have not been compromised in this way will have to form their own conclusions.

But it is quite clear to me that this Amil doctrine is not of God.

You sure are doing a lot of posting for a guy that said he was so busy he had to leave


Zechariah 14 is the "Eternal Kingdom"

Verses 1-4 Second Advent, Battle Of Armageddon.

Verses 6-7 eternal light

Verse 8 The eternal river of life, Revelation 22:1-5

Verse 12 The last day judgment by the Lordsfire. 2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5, 1 Corinthians 3:13

The survivors are the righteous, The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Matthew 25:34

 

[seventysevens]

A mean dog who is chained can still hurt you if you get within his reach.

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A dog cannot hurt you if it is locked away in a cage
just as satan is locked in a cage called the abyss - the bottomless pit

This is the same thing that has been pointed out to you many times already , you are simply refusing to acknowledge what the scripture literally says in the most plain and basic manner. It not only says that satan is locked in the abyss , which is the same place where demons are now that will be released to toment men but not kill them , but the time frame is given as 1000 years in the pit AFTER Jesus returns .
You are far more focused on blaming other people and believing false deoctrine than you are in seeking to understand what the bible teaches ,
You think that as soon as Jesus appears the earth will be obliterated by the fire and no human life will ever exist after that - which is not at all what the scripture teaches . You get that false understanding by believing nonsense in your nonsensical videos ,
The biblical text literally states 1000 years satan will be imprisoned AFTER Jesus returns
Now you refuse to try to understand why the scripture uses the number of 1000 years - your failure to understand correctly is directly related to your refusal to work out the understanding of why the 1000 years is included in the text
2peter
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Peter is using an analogy as a comparative to compare a length of time in human terms to that of the eternal time- since time was created for man and not used in the eternal Peter is using the 1000 years as a comparison , When some say that Peter is just saying to be patient , Peter would have said that - but he didn't , Peter could have said be patient and endure but he didn't -Peter said 1000 years as 1 day and 1 day as 1000 years
In our time today when measuring the life span of a dog they use a standard of dog years 1 year in the human life span being 7 years of dogs life span , some say the size of dog affect the life span comparison but my point is that there is a comparison being made . In Genesis the life span of man was expected to be about 1000 years as in now the life span is expected to be 120 years
Again Jesus says that AFTER HE RETURNS satan will be imprisoned for a specific designated time of 1000 years which that all by itself shows that the earth will not be burned up until after 1000 years after satan is released from prison,
If you prefer to say that this earth obliterated and the new earth is formed immediately after Jesus appears you then must find a way where those 1000 years fit into the new earth simply because Jesus said that satan will be imprisoned for 1000 years and released after 1000 years and he will decieve nations of people
This happens BEFORE the dead are raised and judged , either you have been eating up false doctrine from those who teach you or you created the false doctine which you are pushing
Simply choosing to ignore what Jesus said is where your misunderstanding begins

 

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The deception Satan was bound from is deceiving the nations to the final battle.

This has absolutely nothing to do with current acts of evil.

"Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

In verse 8 you see this deception in action

Revelation 20:7-9
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The simple fact that satan has not ever in the history of the earth been locked up in the abyss No not yet! He is as he has always been free to roam the earth seeking who he can deceive.

Only AFTER Jesus returns is when satan is act into the pit for 1000 years , you simply are choosing to ignore this very simple fact of scripture that you know ruins your whole doctrine , which is why you choose to ignore it