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Is Christ a promoter of sin? No!

Did Jesus die while we were yet sinners? Yes!

Did Jesus politicaly rally against what sins were considered more sinful than others? No!

Did Jesus redeem the unredeemable? Yes!

Is the Law how Sin is judged? Yes.

James 2:10

Um, actually Jesus did condemn sins that were greater than others.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23).

"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Luke 11:42).
 
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I'm uncomfortable responding to all of this in Christian Advice. CA isn't supposed to have doctrinal debates, and defending most of the items in the OP is permitted only in the liberal group. I'm liberal because of Scripture, but I don't think an explanation of this is permitted here.
the reason it has become a debate is because people like you who state they are liberal because of scripture do not have scripture to back themselves up.
 
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Is Christ a promoter of sin? No!

Did Jesus die while we were yet sinners? Yes!

Did Jesus politicaly rally against what sins were considered more sinful than others? No!

Did Jesus redeem the unredeemable? Yes!

Is the Law how Sin is judged? Yes.

James 2:10
well if Jesus did not promote sin, then why would we? Liberalism seems to be promoting sin by accepting and making legal things such as murder (abortion), homosexuality, transgenderism.

okay, so sins are all equal according to God, I'll agree with that. BUT again, why would we as Christians want to promote ANY type of sin in the world by allowing it to be legal. I mean, we are the ones who must live here and raise our kids here.. why would we want a world with such sin if we can prevent it (conservatism). Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell?
 
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I disagree. Liberal does not mean freedom from conservative teachings, but freedom to choose their own spiritual path, including whether or not to follow conservative teachings. Not allowing people the right to choose is hypocritical because you are free to choose to practice as a conservative Christian (biblical teachings). Others need to be afforded that same right. It is not up to us to force conservative teachings on those who choose not to practice them.

God gives all people free will. However, I highly doubt the US will ever reach a state where it enforces the Commands of the New Testament. Men are just too sinful to allow that to happen.

Wikipedia says this about Liberal Christians:

"Liberal Christianity, broadly speaking, is a method of biblical hermeneutics, an undogmatic method of understanding God through the use of scripture by applying the same modern hermeneutics used to understand any ancient writings, symbols and scriptures."

"The theology of liberal Christianity was prominent in the Biblical criticism of the 19th and 20th centuries. The style of Scriptural hermeneutics (interpretation of the Bible) within liberal theology is often characterized as non-propositional. This means that the Bible is not considered a collection of factual statements, but instead an anthology that documents the human authors' beliefs and feelings about God at the time of its writing, authors influenced by their own historical and cultural context.[2] Instead, liberal Christian theologians have an allegorical interpretation of the Bible which emphasizes the moral or other spiritual lessons which can be learned from its stories."​

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Chances are if you allegorize Scripture when the Bible does not clearly indicate that is it an allegory, then chances are you are a liberal Christian. Such examples would be saying that the talking snake in the Garden and Jonah being swallowed by a great fish were simply allegories or fiction.

If you are for abortion, and certain acceptance of sexual sins that the Bible teaches against, chances are you a liberal Christian.

If you are for Theistic Evolution, chances are you are a liberal Christian.

If you believe there was never any kind of Holy Scriptures or Bible that was perfect at some point, then chances are you are a liberal Christian.

Chances are if you think Christ tapped into some kind of nirvana like enlightened mind state (and we can do that, too), then chances are you are a liberal Christian.

Chances are if you believe Christ lives inside all people and all they have to do is simply access Him, then chances are you are a liberal Christian.

As for freedom of religion:

I honestly think there should be limits to freedom of religion. Religion should not endanger the lives of others. Satanism is clearly an endangerment to the lives of others. The Muslim religion is also an endangerment to the lives of others, as well. The Quaran teaches violence at it's core. The fact that many are simply liberal with the text currently does not mean that some of them may change and take their book more seriously and then start to act violently as a result of that book. Yes, I am aware that the Old Testament was violent, but we are not under the Old Testament anymore. We are not the nation of Israel; And times have changed. In fact, back in the OT times of Israel: God was not happy with his nation when they worshiped other gods.
 
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Disappointing... it really seems as if Christian Fourms is largely liberal, or perhaps there is a liberal bias from the type of individuals responding.
I'm new to the site and from seeing these response, I am quite disheartened.
Modern day Christians seem to have conformed to modern day beliefs.
Wow, people are really getting sucked into thinking so worldly. As Christians, we should be in the world but not of the world.
 
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im a hardcore conservative Christian. I have always thought that conservative views go hand and hang with Christianity. Morals. Values. Standards. These are things I thought Christians should stand up for.

I can understand how some economic views such as capitalism and like healthcare can be controversial for anyone (including Christians) but issues such as abortion, gay rights, transgenderism, islam, - aren't these topics that all Christian's should be consistent with opposing? I mean, the Bible does support opposing it... so if Christians support scripture, why are some Christians liberal??? like shouldn't Christians be conservative?

I know a couple people who claim they are Christian but also have very liberal ideas. for example, this girl i met recently is basically a hardcore feminist, anti-trump, it seems her idealogy cannot support Christian values. This is just one example, I know so many Christians that are liberal. and i just dont understand

thoughts?

I dont wanna start a debate here, i am just genuinely concerned for the way our society is moving - LIBERAL. :)
I think the difference between a conservative and a liberal most times is conservatives base their view of God based on what God commands, Liberals base their view of God based on what God does and how he actually acts towards people in the scripture.
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I learn from both perspectives and develop my own.
 
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Um, actually Jesus did condemn sins that were greater than others.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23).

"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Luke 11:42).

I was avoiding that in the context of this discussion.

Oh well. Matthew 23 is the final hint.

American Jesus isn’t the Biblical Jesus... ahem...

If ya catch my drift
 
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well if Jesus did not promote sin, then why would we? Liberalism seems to be promoting sin by accepting and making legal things such as murder (abortion), homosexuality, transgenderism.

okay, so sins are all equal according to God, I'll agree with that. BUT again, why would we as Christians want to promote ANY type of sin in the world by allowing it to be legal. I mean, we are the ones who must live here and raise our kids here.. why would we want a world with such sin if we can prevent it (conservatism). Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell?

Spelling out clearly...

The Gospel is Jesus.

Politics and Moral Crusades aren’t the Gospel. Divide right and do the math... thew 23
 
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Disappointing... it really seems as if Christian Fourms is largely liberal, or perhaps there is a liberal bias from the type of individuals responding.
I'm new to the site and from seeing these response, I am quite disheartened.
Modern day Christians seem to have conformed to modern day beliefs.
Wow, people are really getting sucked into thinking so worldly. As Christians, we should be in the world but not of the world.

Dude! You believe in “Republican”-“American” Jesus. That Jesus isn’t in the Bible.

Dem. / Rep. has nothing to do with Jesus!

I’m largely disappointed by social ignorance amongst bible based Christians!
 
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well if Jesus did not promote sin, then why would we? Liberalism seems to be promoting sin by accepting and making legal things such as murder (abortion), homosexuality, transgenderism.

okay, so sins are all equal according to God, I'll agree with that. BUT again, why would we as Christians want to promote ANY type of sin in the world by allowing it to be legal. I mean, we are the ones who must live here and raise our kids here.. why would we want a world with such sin if we can prevent it (conservatism). Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell?

I do not believe God thinks all sins are equal.

See the verses in my Post #141.
Also, there are unforgivable sins, like speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost (Matthew 12:31).
There are sins unto death and sins not unto death (1 John 5:16-17).
 
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I do not believe God thinks all sins are equal.

See the verses in my Post #141.
Also, there are unforgivable sins, like speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost (Matthew 12:31).
There are sins unto death and sins not unto death (1 John 5:16-17).

This only occurs when the Pharisees speak against Jesus. They accused Jesus of having a demon. As in, unmerited favor... towards a demon posessed man.

All the rest is in the Law and accountable to James 2:10.
 
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Spelling out clearly...

The Gospel is Jesus.

Politics and Moral Crusades aren’t the Gospel. Divide right and do the math... thew 23

I agree that politics is not the gospel and nor is it even really a part of any Biblical teaching, but as far as morality and or standing up for morality (i.e. Moral Crusades):

Well, Jesus and his followers stood up for what was right. Granted, they did not have abortion rallies and I am not suggesting that Christians do that. But Christians should speak out against sin because Jesus and His followers clearly did that.
 
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I do not believe God thinks all sins are equal.

See the verses in my Post #141.
Also, there are unforgivable sins, like speaking bad words against the Holy Ghost (Matthew 12:31).
There are sins unto death and sins not unto death (1 John 5:16-17).
Thanks!
The Bible’s statement, “For the wages of sin is death …” (Romans 6:23), applies to all sin, whether in thought, word, or deed. Maybe I was thinking along the lines that all sins are equal in that they separate us from God.
 
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I agree that politics is not the gospel and nor is it even really a part of any Biblical teaching, but as far as morality and or standing up for morality (i.e. Moral Crusades):

Well, Jesus and his followers stood up for what was right. Granted, they did not have abortion rallies and I am not suggesting that Christians do that. But Christians should speak out against sin because Jesus and His followers clearly did that.

Everyone has a big enough beam in their eye to not have to point out other people’s specs.

We were never commissioned to condemn. Jesus didn’t come to condemn. Read John chapter 3 again. Did not come to condemn but save....
 
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This only occurs when the Pharisees speak against Jesus. They accused Jesus of having a demon. As in, unmerited favor... towards a demon posessed man.

No. Jesus said all manner of sin and blasphemy can be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy is speaking bad words. So yes. This applies to us today. Do not deceive yourself into thinking it does not apply to you and others.

You said:
All the rest is in the Law and accountable to James 2:10.

Please. Please re-read James 2. The whole chapter. James point in James 2:10 was not that you could not keep the Law so why bother, his point was for you to keep God's laws. For James was talking about not having respect of persons and how that ties into loving your neighbor.

In fact, we are under a New Covenant with New Laws or Commands. Most of these laws are moral laws that have existed since after the Fall of Adam. Laws like, do not murder, do not covet, do steal, etc. They are based on loving your neighbor. For if you love your neighbor you will not steal, covet, or kill, etc. (See Romans 13:8-10).
 
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I disagree. Liberal does not mean freedom from conservative teachings, but freedom to choose their own spiritual path, including whether or not to follow conservative teachings. Not allowing people the right to choose is hypocritical because you are free to choose to practice as a conservative Christian (biblical teachings). Others need to be afforded that same right. It is not up to us to force conservative teachings on those who choose not to practice them.
Liberal is not freedom to choose their own spiritual path, but choosing a different one that that of Scripture, which liberals oppose.
 
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Dude! You believe in “Republican”-“American” Jesus. That Jesus isn’t in the Bible.

Dem. / Rep. has nothing to do with Jesus!

I’m largely disappointed by social ignorance amongst bible based Christians!
Bro! Never once did I say I believe in the "Republican" Jesus. I suggested that conservative beliefs, morals, values, and standards support Christianity, on the other hand Liberalism does not.
 
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Disappointing... it really seems as if Christian Fourms is largely liberal.
No, it does not seem so, it is. Wait till someone advocates corporal discipline of children no matter how loving and conditional.
 
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I'm uncomfortable responding to all of this in Christian Advice. CA isn't supposed to have doctrinal debates, and defending most of the items in the OP is permitted only in the liberal group. I'm liberal because of Scripture, but I don't think an explanation of this is permitted here.
I see this is in > Christian Advice which means "Christian Advice is a non-debate area for members to ask and receive Biblically-based, Christian advice for a struggle they are encountering. Christian Advice is a Christians only forum...Christian advice is defined as advice which contains basic Christian principles that do not conflict with the site's Statement of Faith."

Which is a problem because it hardly seems advice is being asked, and we can have people who are not Christians here, which is a problem partly due to the deficient criteria for that. Oh well. I thought this would be worth posting on but if debate is disallowed, though it continues, then no sense in me being here.

Instead, i think this should be moved.
 
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