i never said it is. i just said that if a bicycle will appeared in front of our eyes by a natural process it will still be a bicycle. do you agree or disagree?
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i never said it is. i just said that if a bicycle will appeared in front of our eyes by a natural process it will still be a bicycle. do you agree or disagree?
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You realize you are going nowhere with this, don't you? You can spin all the fantasies you want, imagine any kind of an organic wooden robot penguin, play all sorts of linguistic gotcha games, but it won't work. Functional complexity in itself is not evidence of design. Period.
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AFAIK, no-one seriously maintains that matter or life can be eternal - the conditions thought to hold at the big bang preclude that. The same applies to energy in some hypotheses (the net energy of the universe is zero, which suggests a universe can be generated from a zero-energy metric, and other aspects of known physics support the idea).
Because we have incomplete data. The models are hypotheses and depend on differing assumptions. The principle is the same as if you see a tiny light moving across the night sky - you could formulate a number of hypotheses to explain what it was and/or where it came from - it might be a satellite, or an aircraft, or a meteor, or a balloon, or a drone, or an insect, etc. You could then try to support or eliminate each hypothesis by a closer examination of the information you have (how fast is it? is it steady or blinking?, does it make a noise?, etc.), or trying to obtain additional information.
One would like to think so...
Although there are some ideas that involve the universe being closed in time, so time has a beginning and an end, and the universe just is (i.e. completely independent and self-contained, with no before or after, and nothing 'outside').
It's tempting to think that if you can't visualise the ideas or wrap your head around them, they can't be real, but quantum mechanics has shown us that isn't always the case; sometimes we just have to rely on the mathematics.
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A regular bicycle can't evolve (if you mean evolve like living things evolve). A bicycle that could evolve would not be a regular bicycle. Also, only populations of very rapidly reproducing things (e.g. bacteria) can evolve in front of our eyes, and even then it takes weeks or months to become apparent.
If a regular bicycle is modified in the bike shop, that is not evolution in the sense we've been discussing. You could call the developments and technology changes in bicycles since they were first invented 'evolution', but that's the general sense of evolution as simply 'progressive change'; it's not evolution as in the TOE, which involves the results of the selection of heritable changes in reproducing populations. To conflate or confuse the two would be a mistake.
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Unless of course she decides to add a few biological elements to her offspring.
There could actually be some form of "selective pressure" in a Terminator scenario where humans don't get along with these new machines. She might choose to pass on traits that are likely to help her offspring survive in specific conditions, including "non hostile" traits and tendencies too. I suspect that they will be designing and building their own offspring sooner or later. That's kinda scary to think about.
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Unless of course she decides to add a few biological elements to her offspring.
Perhaps.
But then, it wouldn't be a bicycle anymore, would it?
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i dont talk about evolution but about a special process that can make a bicycle in front of our eyes. i guess that you agree that even in this case it will be a bicycle. right?
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Ok, after all this discussion we reach the conclusion that bicycles are made by bicycle makers. Is this thread finally getting somewhere?Yes - processes that can make bicycles can make bicycles...
Hint: They're usually in factories or workshops.
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Yes - processes that can make bicycles can make bicycles...
Hint: They're usually in factories or workshops.
When two bicycles love each other very much sometimes they...
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Yes - processes that can make bicycles can make bicycles...
Hint: They're usually in factories or workshops.
i talking about a natural process in this case.
i said it in general that i may not understand every word here. just to let you know that i will not check every word that i dont understand in a translator (its just take me too much time). so i will continue to response even if i dont understand every word. but thanks anyway.
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There are no natural processes that can make bicycles, or that could conceivably make bicycles. Bicycles are manufactured.
If you see a bicycle and you don't know where it came from, you can be sure that it was manufactured.
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