My favorite argument for the existence of God

[xianghua]

I wouldn´t call it "designed". That´s for sure.

but will you call it bicycle or not?

 

[quatona]

but will you call it bicycle or not?

Has been answered many times: No, just like I don´t call a whale a "fountain" or a bird an "aeroplane".

 

[Kylie]

whatever you want. it will be a bicycle or not?

By definition, a bicycle does not undergo any process that can allow it to reproduce or to be made without the actions of a person. So no, it won't be a bicycle.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

whatever you want. it will be a bicycle or not?

When is a bicycle not a bicycle?

Spoiler

When it turns into a driveway.

Ta-daaa!!
Thank you very much - I'm here all week.

 

[Kylie]

When is a bicycle not a bicycle?

Spoiler

When it turns into a driveway.

Ta-daaa!!
Thank you very much - I'm here all week.

When is a door not a door?

When it's ajar.

 

[doubtingmerle]

When is a bicycle not a bicycle?

Spoiler

When it turns into a driveway.

Ta-daaa!!
Thank you very much - I'm here all week.

Why can a bike not stay up without a kickstand?

Because it is two tired.

 

[Ancient of Days]

"My favorite argument for the existence of God"

The beauty of worshipping the living God is that I don't have to prove that he exists. He already does an amazing job of that. Why do his children take it upon themselves to do that? The word only says: "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you"

 

[DogmaHunter]

no. im talking about a regular bicycles. means without the ability to reproduce. so if such a bicycles will evolve naturally you will not consider it as a bicycles. right?

Things that don't reproduce, aren't subject to evolutionary processes.
Being able to reproduce is like... requirement number 1.
Reproducing with variation is requirement number 2.
Competition is 3.

Derp.

 

[DogmaHunter]

its an hypothetical question

And a self-contradicting one.

 

[DogmaHunter]

it can happen in many ways.

No. Evolution works in exactly one way: change in populations over generations due to reproduction with variation followed by natural selection.

will you agree that in such a case this bicycle will not be a bicycle by definition since its evolved without a designer?

Bycicles don't reproduce. Which means they can't evolve in the sense of biological evolution.

How many times must it be repeated?

 

[DogmaHunter]

why not? lets assume that we living in a world with a natural process that is able to evolve a single bicycle in one minute. according to your definition it will not be a bicycle since its evolve naturally. right?

I'ld rather assume we live in a world where you are able to make sense, but it seems that that world would be just as "hypothetical" as the one you are asking us to imagine.

 

[DogmaHunter]

again: i talked about theoretical situation

No. You are talking about an imaginary situation in a self-contradicting hypothetical world where nothing makes sense and where there is no difference between living organic beings and non-living mechanical devices.

if we will see a bicycle evolve in front of my eyes i will still consider it to be a bicycle.

Ok.

Can we now continue talking about real stuff in the real world?

 

[DogmaHunter]

i dont talk about a bicycle with the ability to reproduce. just a regular bicycle that evolve in front of our eyes.

I don't know what "evolve" means, in context of a non-living device that doesn't reproduce with variation and doesn't compete over limited resources.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know what "evolve" means, in context of a non-living device that doesn't reproduce with variation and doesn't compete over limited resources.

QV please:

Point of order...RNA may have evolved without being alive. Evolution does not require life to occur, merely self replicating systems.

 

[HitchSlap]

"My favorite argument for the existence of God"

The beauty of worshipping the living God is that I don't have to prove that he exists. He already does an amazing job of that. Why do his children take it upon themselves to do that? The word only says: "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you"

Your favorite evidence for the existence of god, is you believe in god?

 

[HitchSlap]

QV please:

You're claiming that proto-self replicating RNA is the same as a bicycle?

Lol... now I've seen it all.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're claiming that proto-self replicating RNA is the same as a bicycle?

Lol... now I've seen it all.

Have you seen my bicycle challenge? (apparently not)

 

[littotes60]

Have you seen my bicycle challenge? (apparently not)

Don't worry! You'll get the hang of it! You just have to trust yourself! You can start off with the training wheels!

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't worry! You'll get the hang of it! You just have to trust yourself! You can start off with the training wheels!

Heaven-o!

 

[HitchSlap]

Have you seen my bicycle challenge? (apparently not)

Is that what you call them? Huh...