Why Jeremiah 31:31-34 is YESHUA'S NEW Covenant

[BobRyan]

Lost vs Saved

Rom 8

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. NKJV

4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. NASB

There is only one way to please God, and it has nothing to do with keeping the law. Hebrews 11:6 says But without faith it is impossible to please Him. .

So are you suggesting that Paul is calling for obedience apart from faith in Romans 8 ??

In your view - is Paul in error in Romans 8?

 

[BobRyan]

Lost vs Saved

Rom 8

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. NKJV

4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. NASB

Once again , a five year old could understand what Paul was saying....

Now see! We do agree on something!

 

[Doug Melven]

So are you suggesting that Paul is calling for obedience apart from faith in Romans 8 ??

In your view - is Paul in error in Romans 8?

No, we have faith, the Holy Spirit who lives in us is our Guide and we follow Him. No need for me to follow the law, the Holy Spirit knows it much better than anybody on Earth.
No, Paul is not wrong.Your interpretation of what Paul is saying is wrong.
Romans 8 is not about saved versus lost but about a believer who follows the Spirit versus a believer who follows the law.
A believer who tries to follow the law would live in condemnation or he would be excusing his breaking the law as something else.

 

[ralliann]

It is the 10 Words (Deuteronomy 4:13) and they were written on stone and are being moved to the heart... probably more of an idiomatic phrase to say "within us," maybe even in our DNA.

The Sinai covenant was not made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
De 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
De 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

I do not commit sin, so I am not lawless.

Lady .....don’t mean to pry but have you had any unclean thoughts today? Maybe one or two?Did you love God with ALL your heart? ALL your soul?.....how about sins of omission? Did you take care of the poor in your spare time? I would submit if the law is your standard,you broke every command in the 10 commandments today....and EVERY day,seeing as to how James says if you break one law you have broken them all.....are you SURE you have risen above sin? John said if we say that we are a liar.Grace covers all my sins,how do you handle yours? God bless.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Just have a second here.....i’ll Be back in a bit.....I only had to read the first line to see the error in your post...the opposite of legalism is freedom....you will know the truth and the truth will make you free......not free to sin,but free to live the life of faith. The righteous shall “LIVE” by FAITh.....from faith to faith,said Paul.....not from commandment to commandment

If that is what you meant, fine. But you have no idea how many believe grace is a license to sin.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Lady .....don’t mean to pry but have you had any unclean thoughts today? Maybe one or two?Did you love God with ALL your heart? ALL your soul?.....how about sins of omission? Did you take care of the poor in your spare time? I would submit if the law is your standard,you broke every command in the 10 commandments today....and EVERY day,seeing as to how James says if you break one law you have broken them all.....are you SURE you have risen above sin? John said if we say that we are a liar.Grace covers all my sins,how do you handle yours? God bless

I obeyed the leading of the Spirit today. It looks like you want to put me under some legalism. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? You spoke against legalism just a few hours ago...

 

[1stcenturylady]

There is only one way to please God, and it has nothing to do with keeping the law. Hebrews 11:6 says But without faith it is impossible to please Him.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
So if you are trying to keep the law you are not pleasing God.

Unmerited favor is 2 words.
Unmerited, there is absolutely nothing we can do to earn it.
Favor, God's Power
There is absolutely nothing we can do to earn God's power.

That is a good way to look at it. But that is not what unmerited favor means to many. To them it means not being under any laws, so you can do as you please if you have faith.

 

[Doug Melven]

If that is what you meant, fine. But you have no idea how many believe grace is a license to sin.

If people believe grace is a license to sin, then they don't understand grace.
Grace is a teacher that teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world.
On the other hand the strength of sin is the law.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If people believe grace is a license to sin, then they don't understand grace.
Grace is a teacher that teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world.
On the other hand the strength of sin is the law.

That is my point. Many rejoice in their false doctrine that as long as they have faith that Jesus will save them, they can do as they please and sin as much as they want to.

That is how legalism is the opposite of lawlessness, and neither depicts what grace is.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

I obeyed the leading of the Spirit today. It looks like you want to put me under some legalism. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? You spoke against legalism just a few hours ago...

Wow....is that really what you took from that, I feel like I am living in a Bizzarrow world ....you said you did not sin I was trying to show that you did when I brought up these impossible laws....like never having an unclean thought , etc.....ZOOM——right over your head

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

That is my point. Many rejoice in their false doctrine that as long as they have faith that Jesus will save them, they can do as they please and sin as much as they want to.

That is how legalism is the opposite of lawlessness, and neither depicts what grace is.

I have never met a person that had faith in Jesus that felt like or tried to sin up s storm....if this person is a Believer don’t you think God would chastise him within an inch of his life to correct him like we would an errant child and if that does not get the message across God will take his life....his soul will be saved....”but like a man escaping a burning house”

 

[1stcenturylady]

Wow....is that really what you took from that, I feel like I am living in a Bizzarrow world ....you said you did not sin I was trying to show that you did when I brought up these impossible laws....like never having an unclean thought , etc.....ZOOM——right over your head

Do you know what John mean when he said a Christian cannot sin? Read 1 John 3. It is the same message as Paul in Romans 6:2 and 8:9 It seems to me you are one of those Christians that doesn't believe a Christian can live a righteous life as the apostles and Christ told us. Why else would Christ give us His own Spirit to dwell in us?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I have never met a person that had faith in Jesus that felt like or tried to sin up s storm....if this person is a Believer don’t you think God would chastise within an inch of his life to correct him like we would an errant child and if that does not get the message across God will take his life....his soul will be saved....”but like a man escaping a burning house”

God will chastise His own. But many are not His because they have itching ears and do not want to give up the darkness.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Do you know what John mean when he said a Christian cannot sin? Read 1 John 3. It is the same message as Paul in Romans 6:2 and 8:9 It seems to me you are one of those Christians that doesn't believe a Christian can live a righteous life as the apostles and Christ told us. Why else would Christ give us His own Spirit to dwell in us?

A ChristIan can not live a righteous life.....if he could...” Christ died in vain” God has declared me “righteous”just like He did Abraham—-because of my faith. Now excuse me......I’m not grateful for what God has done ,it’s not possible to FIND myself obeying God just because IHave his Spirit and would obey out of love for Him....Iam not afraid of being chastised or even killed for sinning..".me and my itching ears are returning to the Darkness to sin up a storm (please note century lady....I am being ironic in this post!)

 

[listed]

Lost vs Saved

Rom 8

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. NKJV

4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. NASB

So are you suggesting that Paul is calling for obedience apart from faith in Romans 8 ??

In your view - is Paul in error in Romans 8?

Your chosen verses are about the fleshly minded Christian. They aren't about the lost. The context starts in 7:14.

 

[listed]

Lady .....don’t mean to pry but have you had any unclean thoughts today? Maybe one or two?Did you love God with ALL your heart? ALL your soul?.....how about sins of omission? Did you take care of the poor in your spare time? I would submit if the law is your standard,you broke every command in the 10 commandments today....and EVERY day,seeing as to how James says if you break one law you have broken them all.....are you SURE you have risen above sin? John said if we say that we are a liar.Grace covers all my sins,how do you handle yours? God bless.

I don't know about her, but the enemy of my soul puts unclean thoughts in my mind all the time. That isn't sin. It only becomes sin when possession and action is taken on those thoughts.

 

[listed]

Wow....is that really what you took from that, I feel like I am living in a Bizzarrow world ....you said you did not sin I was trying to show that you did when I brought up these impossible laws....like never having an unclean thought , etc.....ZOOM——right over your head

Your focus is wrong.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I don't know about her, but the enemy of my soul puts unclean thoughts in my mind all the time. That isn't sin. It only becomes sin when possession and action is taken on those thoughts.

How do you know it’s the enemy?

God says if our hearts are pure then our minds will be pure also.

Is it a cop out to say that the enemy put thoughts in your mind? How can you be so sure?

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Your focus is wrong.[/QU

Listed....please expand on my misplaced focus...thanks