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If you consider the current elevations of the earth then a global flood would need then over 2 1/2 times more water than is currently present as surface water on the planet.

All of the water you are linking to is moisture held inside rocks (As the 2nd article clearly states). So although the area in the 2nd article is the size of an ocean it doesn't contain anywhere near the same amount of water, its less than 1% of the amount of water in the arctic ocean.

But the click-bait TITLES have the words "huge" and "ocean" in them, so...
 
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I don't think I have seen so obvious an act of double-talk and self-contradiction in so short a time span. even from creationists.
Because you failed to understand the “I did” referred to going back and looking it up. But I understand evolutionists have problems with understanding.
 
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But the click-bait TITLES have the words "huge" and "ocean" in them, so...
Yah, I had to post the one that said 3 Times the amount as in earths oceans so he couldn’t double-talk his way out of it anymore. But he hasn’t bothered to respond since he claimed it would require 2 1/2 Times and I showed him 3 Times the amount. But I guess you didn’t bother to read that post, since here you are double-talking....
 
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Nothing about a three metre gap there, I look forward to your apology.
For what, your mistake in context as tas mistook context? The subject at the time was the K-T event, the 3 meter gap came afterwards only as evidence against claims of the K-T event, because no evolutionary supporter was sure going to mention it since it call the K-T event as the cause of dinosaur extinction into question. In fact most of them knew nothing about it.

LOL. Which has nothing to do with what I posted.

Catastrophic floods are not the only, or even most common, way in which fossils form.
Yet those common ways you claim cause it, haven’t been shown to cause anything. You have repeatedly avoided showing any animals being fossilized post flood because you can’t find any. Despite your claiming these other ways are more common.

Your lack of evidence shows your story and theirs for what it is. A story.


Sorry, how did I "prove myself wrong".

The only person who did that was you when you claimed "only a global flood could provide the required sedimentation to cause fossilization, because not a single flood in our lifetime has started this process."

I've posted sources from multiple universties, geologists and paleontology sites that state otherwise. I've never met anyone so willfully ignorant and blind to correction as your good self, it's mind boggling.
Yes, yes, they CLAIM otherwise, yet not a single animal undergoing fossilization from these other processes can be found.....

Evolutionary supporters make lots of CLAIMS, yet sure seem short on any evidence to back up those unsupported claims.
 
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He is also going to have to explain how his latest global flood failed to leave any fossils....
It left lots of fossils. You just call them cro magnon and other’s, drew hair all over them in the past so they looked apelike to support your beliefs. Even if they now depict them as looking like modern humans.
 
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And he is going to have to explain why the bible only mentions 1.

Maybe the others were the result of the actions of other deities?
Why should it mention more than one? The Bible is about man and the animals created with him, not the other 5 creations.

But that’s because you don’t understand what hayah means in Hebrew.

And the earth “became - hayah” desolate and waste, and darkness “became” upon the surface of the deep. That’s the problem with both fanatics on the creation side and evolutionary side. Neither one does any research, just accept without question what their high priests claim. Be they high preists of creation or evolution.

Plus creationists tend to say they believe the Bible because God gave it to mankind, then ignore what the creation record is telling them, because they can’t find it in the Bible. Yet claim the same God penned both the Bible and the universe. That’s why I agree with you when it comes to claims of them ignoring what the earth tells them. And the earth clearly tells us their has been 6 creations and 5 destructions, with man being part of the sixth. Soon to be a sixth destruction and a seventh and final creation.

“Was” is not even listed as a possible translation in their own concordance. I just understand that darkness and water that covered the earth was the 5th destruction, leading to the extinction of the dinosaurs.
 
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Sure I’ve heard of it, have you heard of the 3 meter gap? Only 1 single solitary brow bone has been found 15cm below the K-T boundary. Dinosaurs went nearly extinct millions of years before that event, such is why their bones can barely be found in that 3 meter gap before the K-T boundary. None are found in it, and none are found after it. If the meteor that caused the K-T boundary killed the dinosaurs, fossils would not stop 3 meters before it, but continue through it and then stop after it as they began to die out.

The actual data shows that they almost went extinct by the flood that buried them worldwide before the K-T event happened. That 3 meter gap exists worldwide and is consistent worldwide. You got no evidence at all that this caused the extinction of the dinosaurs except someone made that claim years ago, before they discovered that all dinosaur fossils end 3 meters before this event, equating to several million years of time..... surely if the event caused their extinction, there should be evidence they existed in profusion up to and in that layer, then began to die out after the event as climate changed?
I'm curious. What is the source of your information? I've taken several classes in biology and paleontology and have never heard the information that you are putting forth.
 
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For what, your mistake in context as tas mistook context? The subject at the time was the K-T event, the 3 meter gap came afterwards only as evidence against claims of the K-T event, because no evolutionary supporter was sure going to mention it since it call the K-T event as the cause of dinosaur extinction into question. In fact most of them knew nothing about it.

What are you prattling about, you bought up the 3 metre gap. It's not up for debate, is right here in the thread in black and white. :sigh:

Yet those common ways you claim cause it, haven’t been shown to cause anything. You have repeatedly avoided showing any animals being fossilized post flood because you can’t find any. Despite your claiming these other ways are more common.

Your lack of evidence shows your story and theirs for what it is. A story.

Why do I need to show animals fossilizing "post flood"? I'm citing paleontolgical and geological sources, universities, professors etc. What about you?

All you can present is some nonsensical opinion that goes aginst well understood scientific principals, no evidence, no references. I know I'm not going to convince you because you are too proud you think you might be wrong. You think you know more about fossils than professional paleotologists, more about geology than the world's geologists, more about relativity and physics than the world's physicists and more about genetics than every qualified biologist and institution.

In fact, I don't believe I've ever seen you waiver on your outlandish claims despite being shown multiple and numerous scientific references in every thread you've participated in. How do you expect to be taken seriously if you show such a stubborn reluctance to accept any information contrary to your beliefs? I suppose at the very least these exchanges go some way to expose the inadequacy and shallowness of creationist thinking so they aren't a complete waste of time.

Yes, yes, they CLAIM otherwise, yet not a single animal undergoing fossilization from these other processes can be found.....

Evolutionary supporters make lots of CLAIMS, yet sure seem short on any evidence to back up those unsupported claims.

LOL, People in glass houses....

As there has never been a global flood, as every geologist in the world has attested for the last 200 years (apart from the odd creationist shill of course), and you have absolutely zero evidence of one, this seems a tad hypocritical.

Please put up your evidence for a worldwide flood or shut up.
 
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It left lots of fossils. You just call them cro magnon and other’s, drew hair all over them in the past so they looked apelike to support your beliefs. Even if they now depict them as looking like modern humans.

So there is a worldwide 4000 year old fossil layer that includes all contemporary species?

Completely contrary to the scientific consensus. Citation please.

And you're saying that fossils from the paleolithic are 4000 years old?

Completely contrary to the scientific consensus. Citation please.


Cro-magnon fossils have been found spanning a date range of tens of thousands of years, did all these come from your global flood? Please explain, with scientific references.

Cro-Magnon - Wikipedia

In November 2011, tests were conducted at the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit in England on what were previously thought to be Neanderthal baby teeth, which had been unearthed in 1964 from the Grotta del Cavallo in Italy. These were identified as the oldest Cro-Magnon (or EEMH) remains ever discovered, dating from 43,000 to 45,000 years ago

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The non-human fossils are mostly mammoth. Many of the bones are heavily charred, indicating they were cooked. Other remains include fox, reindeer, ice-age horse, wolf, bear, wolverine, and hare. Remains of three dogs were also found, one of which had a mammoth bone in its mouth.[25]

The Předmostí site is dated to 24,000 to 27,000 years old.
 
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Nope. Jimmy D did in his attempted excuse to find another cause of fossilization except catastrophic global floods.

Go back and reread.
I did. I re-read everything, twice. You are the one who brought up the three metre gap. Will you now acknowledge that you made a mistake in claiming it was JimmyD?
 
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It left lots of fossils. You just call them cro magnon and other’s, drew hair all over them in the past so they looked apelike to support your beliefs. Even if they now depict them as looking like modern humans.
You are demonstrating the difference between a pseudoscience, like creationism, and actual science. You keep trying to "prove" your so called "facts" by using information for which you can cite no non-religious, biblical source. The practitioners of actual science try to disprove (invalidate) theories by gathering more knowledge.
 
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You are demonstrating the difference between a pseudoscience, like creationism,
I wasn't aware creationism is a science at all, let alone a pseudoscience.

That's like calling Humpty Dumpty a lie, when it's only a nursery rhyme.
 
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I didn't say it was a theory, I said it was an account. I asked if it would be a scientific theory today, if it wasn't an account?

Global flooding would still be an accepted geological fact. Topography cannot be fully understood without considering massive flood events. And as a single global flood wouldn't leave evidence of itself there is no reason to suspect a single global flood ever occurred.
 
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I wasn't aware creationism is a science at all, let alone a pseudoscience.

That's like calling Humpty Dumpty a lie, when it's only a nursery rhyme.
It's not science. It's fake information trying to imitate science. Hence the prefix 'pseudo', meaning it ain't what it purports to be.
 
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I wasn't aware creationism is a science at all, let alone a pseudoscience.

That's like calling Humpty Dumpty a lie, when it's only a nursery rhyme.
It's something that purports to be science, but is not. Hence the prefix 'pseudo', meaning it ain't science.
 
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It left lots of fossils. You just call them cro magnon and other’s, drew hair all over them in the past so they looked apelike to support your beliefs. Even if they now depict them as looking like modern humans.
-_- dude, Google search cro-magnon right now. You really should have done it before making this post.

This is a recreation of what a cro-magnon looked like, and I find absolutely 0 evidence that they were ever portrayed as significantly ape-like:
b60cee55a10a5679742f40a8c355589d--cro-magnon-year-old.jpg
 
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I'm curious. What is the source of your information? I've taken several classes in biology and paleontology and have never heard the information that you are putting forth.
Because you aren’t supposed to know about it, being a mere student. It’s one of those things paleontologist learn about, but never bother to mention to their students because it tends to falsify their theories of dinosaur extinction.

You couldn’t google dinoasuars and the 3 meter gap?

Dinosaur extinction: closing the "three meter gap"

It’s one of the longest outstanding controversies regarding their extinction. But to date only a couple bones and a set of tracks has been found in this three meter gap. Showing that by the time of the K-T event dinosaurs were well on their way to extinction.

So this guy finds a single solitary brow horn, and concludes dinosaurs were thriving. A 3 meter gap almost completely devoid of fossils shows just the opposite, that they were already almost extinct. And need we keep pointing out almost every one before the 3 meter gap is found buried in sedimentary strata.
 
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It's something that purports to be science, but is not. Hence the prefix 'pseudo', meaning it ain't science.

The ICR and AiG like to promote creationism as being scientific (even though it's not).
Evolutionists like to present evolution as scientific, even though it’s not.
 
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