Another Flood Question

[Justatruthseeker]

First, can you please give a reference or a link for these statements, particularly that the 3-metre gap exists worldwide and its thickness is the same everywhere?

There is such a thing as Google. Why can evolutionists never do their own research when they decide to bring a subject up in the first place? But here, wouldn’t want to make you have to learn how to research.

Closing the 'three metre gap'

So far a set of tracks, two bones, and recently a single brow bone is all that’s been found in this 3 meters. Yet dinosaur bones are found in profusion before this gap, and not a single one after it or in the K-T boundary.

Second, three metres of sedimentary rock do not equate to 'several million years'. If one divides the maximum thicknesses of the rocks of the geological periods by the durations of those periods, one obtains a maximum deposition rate, averaged over the period, of about 200 metres per million years. At this rate of deposition, three metres of rock would represent about 15,000 years. Whatever the cause of the gap, it appears that the time that it represents is much less than a million years.

No, neither of us were correct. They claim it represents a period of around 100,000 years.

But then that’s assuming constant deposition of layers, and refusing to adjust clocks for time dilation.

So all dinosaur bones are found buried in sediment before this 3 meter gap, except perhaps the few that survived this global flood that escaped to high ground and then died out slowly before the K-T event occurred. No one is arguing against a meteor striking the earth and impacting life severely, the life that survived the flood that happened 100,000 years before the event.

Yet after the K-T boundary we find fossilized mammals in profusion. The problem is no one wants to discuss what’s found in that 3 meter gap, just not dinosaurs. So that the K-T impact killed of small mammals is not doubted, it’s only too bad dinosaurs were already well on their way to extinction 100,000 years earlier when that global flood occurred that buried them in sediment. Not saying some didn’t survive that were able to escape to high ground. I simply expect they didn’t reproduce as quickly as small mammals, and so mammals became the dominant life, able to rebuild populations fast enough over 100,000 years to survive through the K-T event. Not saying a few hundred thousand dinosaurs might not have been left to die out finally during that event, just that it’s not what descimated them into extinction. It perhaps finished the job the earlier flood began.

 

[Ophiolite]

There is such a thing as Google. Why can evolutionists never do their own research when they decide to bring a subject up in the first place? But here, wouldn’t want to make you have to learn how to research..

You were the one who brought up the three metre gap. Correct?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You forgot to quote from your link the oldest direct age measurement obtained from terrestrial material.



The age of these zircon grains is 96% of the age of the oldest known solar system material (4568.2 million years) - http://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo941.

We have already discussed people’s refusal to account for increased decay rates the further back one goes due to the curved trajectory of the earth in its orbit, the orbit of the sun around the galaxie and not applying time dilation corrections.

Yet here you all are, accepting curved trajectories causes clocks to slow on airplanes, then refuse to apply it to earths curved trajectory, or to the suns curved trajectory. Oh and let’s not forget the accelerating recessional velocity of the universe that Hubble’s Law demands that distance be directly correlated to recessional velocity. Redshifted that show fractions of c.

Your calculations can’t be trusted because you refuse to apply time dilation corrections to something you really know you must.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You were the one who brought up the three metre gap. Correct?

Nope. Jimmy D did in his attempted excuse to find another cause of fossilization except catastrophic global floods.

Go back and reread.

And then Ruthiesea brought it up again because they didn’t bother to read any of the other posts before jumping in.

Another Flood Question

I am just having to look everything up for you all 3 or 4 Times because nobody bothered to do it themselves the first 3 Times....

 

[Ophiolite]

Nope. Jimmy D did in his attempted excuse to find another cause of fossilization except catastrophic global floods.

Go back and reread.

And then Ruthiesea brought it up again because they didn’t bother to read any of the other posts before jumping in.

Another Flood Question

I am just having to look everything up for you all 3 or 4 Times because nobody bothered to do it themselves the first 3 Times....

Thank you for your response.

 

[Jimmy D]

Nope. Jimmy D did in his attempted excuse to find another cause of fossilization except catastrophic global floods.

Go back and reread

Nope. You bought it up, I have no objections.

Go back and re-read.

I merely pointed out a few, more common situations in which the fossilization process occurs, other than catastrophic floods.

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The Bristol Palaeobiology Research Group (Bristol University)

the rigorous set of filters through which a fossil must pass may not be as easily discernable. These filters include:

• morphological characteristics of the organism
  (the larger the organism and amount of hard tissue the better),
• location/geogical setting
  (preferably areas of continual sediment accumulation, such as lakes, lagoons, and deltas)

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Carlton E Brett, James R Thomka, University of Cincinnati,

A variety of settings may favour exceptional preservation, including storm‐influenced continental shelves, deeper marine environments and stagnant lagoons, freshwater lakes, including maars or volcanic lakes, caves, tar pits and permafrost.

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Owais Khattak Masters in Geology at Bahria University

The degree of preservation of a fossil reflects the context of burial. For example, rocks formed from sediments deposited under anoxic (oxygen-free) conditions in quiet water (such as lake beds or lagoons) can preserve particularly fine specimens. In contrast, rocks made from sediments deposited in high-energy environments where strong currents tumble shells and bones and break them up contain at best only small fragments of fossils mixed with other clastic grains.

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I'm sorry, but I don't understand your insistence that the dinosaur fossils we find could only be formed during a global flood, it's bizarre, ignorant.... and as any source will tell you, completely wrong. I'm not saying that flooding is never a factor, of course it is, but it's not the only one.

 

[Jimmy D]

But then that’s assuming constant deposition of layers, and refusing to adjust clocks for time dilation

Time dilation can be measured right? Please show the calculations and show us how the timescales should be adjusted accordingly.

 

[Jimmy D]

So that the K-T impact killed of small mammals is not doubted, it’s only too bad dinosaurs were already well on their way to extinction 100,000 years earlier when that global flood occurred that buried them in sediment.

Was there a global flood 100,000 years before the KT impact? Please provide evidence of this spectacular event.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Nope. You bought it up, I have no objections.

Go back and re-read.

I merely pointed out a few, more common situations in which the fossilization process occurs, other than catastrophic floods.

I did, unlike you who can’t even remember what he posted from one day to the next.

Another Flood Question

Any other errors you need corrected on? You can’t even get right who posted what first even when you did it yourself, so any other claims you make about something science says can be construed to be just as faulty.

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The Bristol Palaeobiology Research Group (Bristol University)


the rigorous set of filters through which a fossil must pass may not be as easily discernable. These filters include:

• 
  
  
  • morphological characteristics of the organism
    (the larger the organism and amount of hard tissue the better),
  • location/geogical setting
    (preferably areas of continual sediment accumulation, such as lakes, lagoons, and deltas)

.....................................................

Carlton E Brett, James R Thomka, University of Cincinnati,

A variety of settings may favour exceptional preservation, including storm‐influenced continental shelves, deeper marine environments and stagnant lagoons, freshwater lakes, including maars or volcanic lakes, caves, tar pits and permafrost.

.....................................................

Owais Khattak Masters in Geology at Bahria University

The degree of preservation of a fossil reflects the context of burial. For example, rocks formed from sediments deposited under anoxic (oxygen-free) conditions in quiet water (such as lake beds or lagoons) can preserve particularly fine specimens. In contrast, rocks made from sediments deposited in high-energy environments where strong currents tumble shells and bones and break them up contain at best only small fragments of fossils mixed with other clastic grains.

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I'm sorry, but I don't understand your insistence that the dinosaur fossils we find could only be formed during a global flood, it's bizarre, ignorant.... and as any source will tell you, completely wrong. I'm not saying that flooding is never a factor, of course it is, but it's not the only one.

And yet I have asked repeatedly for one single example of any animals within recent history, the last 4,000 years that have begun the process of fossilization. So despite all their claims this is how it occurs, supposedly despite all the research, you can’t provide a single solitary one.

Instead the best someone could do was show layer upon layer of shells without animal remains. Even if animals existed right alongside them. Then refused to apply that observation to the past.

Then they finally provided a source that gave a date of 10,000 years, but the same source explained erosion and later deposition as the cause. Then they of course refused to accept their own source, as erosion would mean it acted first on a younger layer, depositing them in an older layer. They didn’t want to then accept their own source, because that would then place these fossil, found in sedimentary rock, as dating right around the age of Noah’s flood.

But being the generous guy I am, I thanked him for his hard work in finding more evidence for Noah’s flood. It is truly appreciated when you all do the work and without knowing prove the very thing you try to disprove. Much appreciated indeed.

I would have thanked you for proving yourself wrong, but sadly you couldn’t remember your own posts, so I had to go look it up for you.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Was there a global flood 100,000 years before the KT impact? Please provide evidence of this spectacular event.

All dinosaurs went extinct 100,000 years before the event, worldwide, and in sedimentary strata. Not my fault you can’t accept the evidence for what it is. Don’t worry, you can admit to it, I am not implying at the least that that flood had anything to do with Noah’s flood at all.

There is no trick, no deception, the two events are totally unrelated.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Time dilation can be measured right? Please show the calculations and show us how the timescales should be adjusted accordingly.

I hate having to repeat myself, but you all can’t remember what was posted from one day to the next, or even what you already asked in another thread. Not even what you posted in the same thread by the post above.

My BC Challenge

 

[Jimmy D]

I did, unlike you who can’t even remember what he posted from one day to the next.

Another Flood Question

Any other errors you need corrected on? You can’t even get right who posted what first even when you did it yourself, so any other claims you make about something science says can be construed to be just as faulty.

Nothing about a three metre gap there, I look forward to your apology.

And yet I have asked repeatedly for one single example of any animals within recent history, the last 4,000 years that have begun the process of fossilization. So despite all their claims this is how it occurs, supposedly despite all the research, you can’t provide a single solitary one.

LOL. Which has nothing to do with what I posted.

Catastrophic floods are not the only, or even most common, way in which fossils form.

I would have thanked you for proving yourself wrong, but sadly you couldn’t remember your own posts, so I had to go look it up for you.

Sorry, how did I "prove myself wrong".

The only person who did that was you when you claimed "only a global flood could provide the required sedimentation to cause fossilization, because not a single flood in our lifetime has started this process."

I've posted sources from multiple universties, geologists and paleontology sites that state otherwise. I've never met anyone so willfully ignorant and blind to correction as your good self, it's mind boggling.

 

[Jimmy D]

I hate having to repeat myself, but you all can’t remember what was posted from one day to the next, or even what you already asked in another thread. Not even what you posted in the same thread by the post above.

My BC Challenge

LOL, you've posted that more recently than my question was posed, how could I remember something that had yet to be posted?

Of course! It was probably something to do with time dilation!

 

[Jimmy D]

All dinosaurs went extinct 100,000 years before the event, worldwide, and in sedimentary strata. Not my fault you can’t accept the evidence for what it is. Don’t worry, you can admit to it, I am not implying at the least that that flood had anything to do with Noah’s flood at all.

There is no trick, no deception, the two events are totally unrelated.

They are related.... in the sense that neither of them actually happened.

perhaps the few that survived this global flood that escaped to high ground and then died out slowly before the K-T event

it’s only too bad dinosaurs were already well on their way to extinction 100,000 years earlier when that global flood occurred that buried them in sediment.

Please provide evidence of a mass extinction of 100,000 years before the KT event.

Please provide evidence of a global flood 100,000 years before the KT event.

 

[tas8831]

Was there a global flood 100,000 years before the KT impact? Please provide evidence of this spectacular event.

Is that the 6th global flood justa posits?

Weird that his sole source of TRUTH only mentions 1...

 

[Jimmy D]

Is that the 6th global flood justa posits?

Weird that his sole source of TRUTH only mentions 1...

He's going to have to come up with several tens of thousands more if every fossil we find is the result of a global flood.

 

[tas8831]

Justatruthseeker said: ↑

Nope. Jimmy D did in his attempted excuse to find another cause of fossilization except catastrophic global floods.

I did, unlike you who can’t even remember what he posted from one day to the next.

I don't think I have seen so obvious an act of double-talk and self-contradiction in so short a time span. even from creationists.

 

[tas8831]

He's going to have to come up with several tens of thousands more if every fossil we find is the result of a global flood.

And he is going to have to explain why the bible only mentions 1.

Maybe the others were the result of the actions of other deities?

 

[tas8831]

The Evidence (Paradigm) from the Bible and Google Earth photos shows that the Garden of Eden is under the Persian Gulf.

Lost Civilization May Have Existed Beneath the Persian Gulf

Yup. Right next to Atlantis.

 

[Jimmy D]

And he is going to have to explain why the bible only mentions 1.

Maybe the others were the result of the actions of other deities?

He is also going to have to explain how his latest global flood failed to leave any fossils....

And yet I have asked repeatedly for one single example of any animals within recent history, the last 4,000 years that have begun the process of fossilization. So despite all their claims this is how it occurs, supposedly despite all the research, you can’t provide a single solitary one.