Collusion...is there any doubt now?

[KCfromNC]

One thing that puzzles me about this thread is that as actual information unfolds from this investigation, it looks as if it is people on the left that seem to have the most to fear here.

How many "people on the left" have been arrested by Mueller's team?

 

[bhsmte]

This thread was not created to focus on the criminal investigations. It was to highlight the continuing lie being trotted out by the Trump organisation that “no collusion” occurred between that organisation and the Russians.

People in campaigns collude with others all the time. Are you that naive to think that doesnt happen?

If all this proves is some folks communicated with russians and were not up front about it, nothing of signifance will happen to trump. Maybe some of his people that can be proven to show they lied, will have to resign, but that is it.

 

[bhsmte]

How many "people on the left" have been arrested by Mueller's team?

Give it time. Mueller may knock down some on the left before this whole thing is over, or at the very least, expose corrupt behavior.

 

[Rion]

Give it time. Mueller may knock down some on the left before this whole thing is over, or at the very least, expose corrupt behavior.

Oh, come on. Tony Podesta stepping down from his firm and them looking to rename it is all just a big coincidence.

 

[Allandavid]

People in campaigns collude with others all the time. Are you that naive to think that doesnt happen?
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With agents of foreign adversaries that have been shown to have criminally interfered into the election that that campaign was contesting?

And the frequency with which it occurs is not my point. It is the incessant denial and lying about it I highlight here...

 

[bhsmte]

With agents of foreign adversaries that have been shown to have criminally interfered into the election that that campaign was contesting?

All meaningless, unless there is evidence to show the trump campaign conspired to aid in illegal activity. Meeting or communicatingnwith them, means nothing to mueller, without evidence of a conspiracy connection. It would also mean nothing in regards to impeachment, because no evidence of a crime has besn established.

As i have said countless times, maybe this evidence will eventually be revealed, but i have yet to see it.

 

[Ronald]

All the elements are now in place...are there any Trump followers who now still insist that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and agents of the Russian government?

• The guilty statement by Papadopoulos shows that Trump and his people knew of Russia’s hacking well before the American people did.
• The same statement also reveals that an offer was made to share the material hacked.
• That offer was accepted when Junior et al agreed to meet with the Russian lawyer to ‘get the dirt’ on Clinton.

That’s collusion 101....connivance, complicity, plotting, secrecy.....

You are deceived and misled. Fake news abounds. Mueller thinks he has a scapegoat, but the truth will come out, no Trump collusion, just a cover up for the really collusion between Obama, Hillary, Russia, Comey, Mueller and the FBI, Loretta Lynch -- THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN AMERICAN HISTORY!
Oh Russia did hack into the DNC, they hacked into many other U.S. government sites, emails - Hillary's emails that she deleted. Someone would have probably used them against the U.S. if she had become president - thank God she didn't.
The Democrats and Fake Liberal News are beside themselves. They don't feel they can win with truth, so they must make stuff up and sell it to people like you who eat it.

 

[Allandavid]

You are deceived and misled. Fake news abounds. Mueller thinks he has a scapegoat, but the truth will come out, no Trump collusion, just a cover up for the really collusion between Obama, Hillary, Russia, Comey, Mueller and the FBI, Loretta Lynch -- THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN AMERICAN HISTORY!
Oh Russia did hack into the DNC, they hacked into many other U.S. government sites, emails - Hillary's emails that she deleted. Someone would have probably used them against the U.S. if she had become president - thank God she didn't.
The Democrats and Fake Liberal News are beside themselves. They don't feel they can win with truth, so they must make stuff up and sell it to people like you who eat it.

Mueller and Comey are Democrats now....? How illuminating....

 

[Ronald]

Mueller and Comey are Democrats now....? How illuminating....

They are criminals who swept the truth under the rug. Now the rug has been pulled from underneath them and they will all fall down and go boom. Hillary rigged the nomination as well -- isn't that illuminating. Gee, you have much illumination on the calendar coming at you in all forms -- get ready.

 

[Allandavid]

They are criminals who swept the truth under the rug. Now the rug has been pulled from underneath them and they will all fall down and go boom. Hillary rigged the nomination as well -- isn't that illuminating. Gee, you have much illumination on the calendar coming at you in all forms -- get ready.

Please explain the crimes for which either Mueller or Comey should be charged. And no, “sweeping” isn’t a crime as far as I can tell...

But, to return to the subject of the thread...can you explain why it is that virtually every member of Trump & Co, when they have been questioned about Russian contact, has initially lied...?

 

[bhsmte]

They are criminals who swept the truth under the rug. Now the rug has been pulled from underneath them and they will all fall down and go boom. Hillary rigged the nomination as well -- isn't that illuminating. Gee, you have much illumination on the calendar coming at you in all forms -- get ready.

Hyperbole.

 

[Ronald]

Please explain the crimes for which either Mueller or Comey should be charged. And no, “sweeping” isn’t a crime as far as I can tell...

But, to return to the subject of the thread...can you explain why it is that virtually every member of Trump & Co, when they have been questioned about Russian contact, has initially lied...?

"Hillary Clinton, thanks to James Comey, escaped criminal prosecution for violating the Espionage Act.
Now it is Comey who may have violated that same law. If he did, will Comey escape prosecution, courtesy of his good friend, Robert Mueller?
The fired FBI Director’s legal predicament comes as The Hill reports that Comey authored seven memorandums reflecting the contents of his conversations with President Trump and that four of the memos “have been determined to contain classified information.”
If this is true and Comey kept these documents in his personal possession upon leaving government service and conveyed some of them to another individual without authorization, then it would appear that he committed multiple felonies under the Espionage Act." Fox News

They were all involved in Crooked Hillary's scandalous cover-up. The truth will come out. But the numerous scandals that the Clintons have slipped through is just amazing.

Trump did not need Russia's help -- as if they could do anything to influence the election. Hillary lost because of Hillary. She stole Bernie's nomination too, it was rigged and so she didn't even disserve to run. Follow the money as they say ...

 

[Ronald]

Hyperbole.

Oh no, the biggest scandal in American History has so many tentacles attached, so many people involved and it is on the Left side. That is not hyperbole.

 

[Almost there]

How many "people on the left" have been arrested by Mueller's team?

Well, that is not my criteria at the moment. If six months pass, ask the question again. Remember, until these two "arrests" happened, people were pretty sure Trump had to worry. And these arrests have nothing to do with trump. It's like finding out his butler, before Trump hired him, shoplifted at a local Wal-Mart.

 

[Rion]

I read a pretty interesting, and scathing, article by a socialist/communist about the Democrats foolish delusion that Russiagate is going to fix their core failures. Seems pretty accurate in the way they describe the 'magical thinking' aspect to it.

 

[jardiniere]

People in campaigns collude with others all the time. Are you that naive to think that doesnt happen?

If all this proves is some folks communicated with russians and were not up front about it, nothing of signifance will happen to trump. Maybe some of his people that can be proven to show they lied, will have to resign, but that is it.

collude: to work with others secretly especially in order to do something illegal or dishonest (M-W)
collude: To act together secretly to achieve a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose; conspire. (AmHer)
collude: To act together through a secret understanding, especially with evil or harmful intent. (dictionary.com)

I'm under the impression that you think that to collude is just to meet up and discuss topics of mutual interest to further a goal. I don't think campaigns collude all the time, I think it's relatively more rare than not. In fact, to imply collusion in a campaign is to imply illegality, since discussion of harmful or evil intent are not illegal, and have doubtful importance to a political campaign.

 

[bhsmte]

collude: to work with others secretly especially in order to do something illegal or dishonest (M-W)
collude: To act together secretly to achieve a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose; conspire. (AmHer)
collude: To act together through a secret understanding, especially with evil or harmful intent. (dictionary.com)

I'm under the impression that you think that to collude is just to meet up and discuss topics of mutual interest to further a goal. I don't think campaigns collude all the time, I think it's relatively more rare than not. In fact, to imply collusion in a campaign is to imply illegality, since discussion of harmful or evil intent are not illegal, and have doubtful importance to a political campaign.

Again, collusion is a loose and meaningless term, which is my main point. If there is evidence that there was a conspiracy in the trump campaign, to aid and abett laws being broken, that evidence should be followed and all involved, should be charged. If trump knew about this activity and or promoted it, he should be impeached.

Lets see what the evidence shows, as mueller keeps plodding along.

 

[KCfromNC]

Give it time. Mueller may knock down some on the left before this whole thing is over, or at the very least, expose corrupt behavior.

Hope springs eternal, but there certainly seems to be a strong trend in the other direction so far.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well, that is not my criteria at the moment. If six months pass, ask the question again. Remember, until these two "arrests" happened

Three.

people were pretty sure Trump had to worry. And these arrests have nothing to do with trump.

One of them - the one that resulted in an actual conviction - does.

 

[Almost there]

Three.



One of them - the one that resulted in an actual conviction - does.

I'll plead ignorance on that one. I don't know who you are referring to.