Dealing with Climate Change---Not Only Good Ethics, But Good Business

[Audacious]

No thanks. I think we should regulate businesses to ensure they are not damaging our environment.

I prefer air that isn't chewable (see: Beijing), and drinkable water.

 

[AirPo]

I deal with climate change all the time. Climate changes......I dress accordingly.

Don't know the difference between climate and weather I see.

 

[Hammster]

I'd like to think not.... but I'm just one person -- statistically and financially insignificant.

Do you receive some sort of special info that is inaccessible to the majority of the citizens?

 

[Belk]

I prefer air that isn't chewable (see: Beijing), and drinkable water.

I always find it odd when people advocate that we have a government that does not govern. There is a reason we have the control structures we do. You can't just ignore history and expect it to be OK.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Do you receive some sort of special info that is inaccessible to the majority of the citizens?

Of course not -- I don't claim any sort of omniscience, although I do see where you're going with this.

People who are aware of Company A's polluting habits will gladly patronize Company B instead -- unaware that Company B is at least as big a polluter.

Contrawise, people who know about Company B will shop at Company A -- because they only have the other half of the story.

Meanwhile, Company C does more damage to the environment than Companies A and B put together, but they've managed to keep it out of the press (since the EPA only has about 50 people checking for dumpers anyway, and Company C has paid off the people who hire those 50), and they've lowered their prices to attract the people who couldn't afford the other two anyway.

Now, if consumers got organized and worked together, they could definitely affect the market (and more importantly, the environment) in positive ways -- which puts it in the best interests of the companies (and the politicians they've bought and paid for), to keep the consumers at each others' throats, preferably with a slew of manufactured non-issues, to prevent them from ever wanting to listen to -- let alone work with -- people who aren't their ideological twins.

Divide et impera.

 

[Hammster]

Of course not -- I don't claim any sort of omniscience, although I do see where you're going with this.

People who are aware of Company A's polluting habits will gladly patronize Company B instead -- unaware that Company B is at least as big a polluter.

Contrawise, people who know about Company B will shop at Company A -- because they only have the other half of the story.

Meanwhile, Company C does more damage to the environment than Companies A and B put together, but they've managed to keep it out of the press (since the EPA only has about 50 people checking for dumpers anyway, and Company C has paid off the people who hire those 50), and they've lowered their prices to attract the people who couldn't afford the other two anyway.

Now, if consumers got organized and worked together, they could definitely affect the market (and more importantly, the environment) in positive ways -- which puts it in the best interests of the companies (and the politicians they've bought and paid for), to keep the consumers at each others' throats, preferably with a slew of manufactured non-issues, to prevent them from ever wanting to listen to -- let alone work with -- people who aren't their ideological twins.

Divide et impera.

Thanks. You made my point.

 

[super animator]

Thanks. You made my point.

It's an "if" not a "will", so you can't say that the market will fix itself.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Thanks. You made my point.

The point being that the market isn't going to correct itself as long as the polluters can manipulate the market? You're welcome.

 

[Hammster]

The point being that the market isn't going to correct itself as long as the polluters manipulate the market? You're welcome.

When did I say that?

Please quote.

 

[Hammster]

It's an "if" not a "will", so you can't say that the market will fix itself.

I you assume that I think it’s necessary.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Renewable sources of energy have become cost effective and accessible. Germany is WELL along the path to 100% renewable. Why not move this direction with elan? Who wouldn't want to live in a cleaner, safer environment?

 

[Audacious]

Renewable sources of energy have become cost effective and accessible. Germany is WELL along the path to 100% renewable. Why not move this direction with elan? Who wouldn't want to live in a cleaner, safer environment?

Didn't Germany recently start shutting down nuclear power plants and replacing them with coal?

Hardly 100% renewable.

 

[TLK Valentine]

When did I say that?

Please quote.

How about instead you tell me what your point is, and I'll retract my statement?

 

[Hammster]

How about instead you tell me what your point is, and I'll retract my statement?

So you responded to me without knowing my point?

Interesting.

Anyway, here’s what I said.

If the market can’t take care of it, then it’s safe to say that the majority of Americans just don’t care, or don’t believe it to be that big of an issue.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So you responded to me without knowing my point?

Interesting.

I challenged your point, and showed it may not necessarily be true.

Anyway, here’s what I said.

And here's what I said:

They can't care if they're not informed... and the money the businesses spend to keep the public misinformed is small change compared to what they'd lose if the public knew enough to care.

Rather than address my point, you attempted to make it about me personally. I needn't ask why.

 

[Hammster]

I challenged your point, and showed it may not necessarily be true.



And here's what I said:



Rather than address my point, you attempted to make it about me personally. I needn't ask why.

I said you made my point. That’s not making it about you.

 

[super animator]

Anyway, here’s what I said.

That's argumentum ad populum fallacy there.

 

[Nithavela]

Didn't Germany recently start shutting down nuclear power plants and replacing them with coal?

Hardly 100% renewable.

Also hardly 100% true.

 

[Hammster]

That's argumentum ad populum fallacy there.

Okay.

 

[super animator]

Okay.

Do you agree that the market is not infallible and need government intervention in order for it to stay course?