The forgotten

[Always in His Presence]

What would that prove? If there's not a thread on CF about it, it doesn't count?

Ok, the last two public protest dealing with it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So what is the solution? Well, first step involves an accurate assessment of the problem.

I agree. But are people prepared to deal honestly with that assessment?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"There are middle class and affluent black communities, but they are overshadowed by poorer black communities."


"At its essence, the root cause of problems in poor black communities is simply one of economics. Systematic and institutional racism has led to an environment that is self perpetuating in its economic oppression."

Perhaps those poor communities should study the middle class and affluent black communities to learn how they overcame this "systemic and institutional racism". Or do they consider them to be 'sellouts' and 'Uncle Toms'?

The biggest problem that blacks have to overcome is that of blaming white racism for their problems instead of their own subcultural behaviors. By blaming whites they are expecting (or demanding) that whites solve their problems for them. This isn't going to happen. Until they build the time-tested stepping stones for eventual success that all other minorities have used they will continue to flounder economically and socially. There are plenty of people of good will that will be accepting of them if they can make that effort as a unified community.

 

[Audacious]

Perhaps those poor communities should study the middle class and affluent black communities to learn how they overcame this "systemic and institutional racism". Or do they consider them to be 'sellouts' and 'Uncle Toms'?

Nobody's saying black people can't be successful; just that it's much harder for them due to different kinds of race-related disadvantages.

Let's say you have two doors, one marked "black" and one marked "white". The white hole is much larger than the black hole, so more white people can fit through; but fewer black people can fit through because their door is smaller. That's how this all works.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Each person was shot and killed in September of 2017 in Chicago, a city with the tightest restrictions on guns in the US.

Not true since 2013. Outdated propaganda is useless.

Each person was African American

Not one was shot by a cop

Not onewas helped, mentioned nor mourned by BLM or any other organization that has national attention 'on behalf' of African Americans. They are Just forgotten.

And if it weren't for BLM, nobody would deign to pretend to care about them. Good for BLM.

Tell the truth -- would you have if not for BLM?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Nobody's saying black people can't be successful; just that it's much harder for them due to different kinds of race-related disadvantages.

Let's say you have two doors, one marked "black" and one marked "white". The white hole is much larger than the black hole, so more white people can fit through; but fewer black people can fit through because their door is smaller. That's how this all works.

I agree. But since the Civil Rights Act, and Affirmative Action they seem to have forgotten this fact.

 

[Audacious]

I agree. But since the Civil Rights Act, and Affirmative Action they seem to have forgotten this fact.

The fact that the "black" door is smaller is a really bad thing for both black people and society (which they happen to also live in). So, as a non-racist, I oppose these things.

 

[lasthero]

Ok, the last two public protest dealing with it.

I don't have timeline to tell you when the LAST TWO would be, but I can point out a few that you might be interested in.

There was Alpha Phi Alpha rally in Chicago (yes, Chicago).

The Peace Hub Youth Conference (also in Chicago)
Mothers Against Senseless Killings (CHICAGO)

The last one in particular is a rather interesting instance.

How A Group Of Mothers Helped Bring Peace To A Troubled Chicago Neighborhood

They're not as forgotten as you might think.

 

[Ringo84]

"How can we be concerned with uppity blacks when those animals kill each other more than racist cops do?"


To clarify: this is poking fun at OP and not my opinion
Ringo

 

[cow451]

Blacks can complain all they want about police killings, but it pales quickly when black on black homicide numbers are presented.

Which implies there’s no reason to consider unwarranted killing of Blacks by police a problem.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Blacks can complain all they want about police killings,

I'm sure they are grateful for your permission.

but it pales quickly when black on black homicide numbers are presented.

Do those numbers justify the police killings?

 

[Rion]

Each person was shot and killed in September of 2017 in Chicago, a city with the tightest restrictions on guns in the US.

Each person was African American

Not one was shot by a cop

Not onewas helped, mentioned nor mourned by BLM or any other organization that has national attention 'on behalf' of African Americans. They are Just forgotten.

Reminds me of the lady whose video went viral a year or two ago, where she was complaining about BLM holding a memorial for a criminal who died fighting the police but ignored a little girl who was killed in a driveby.

 

[KCfromNC]

The number of blacks killed or injured unjustifiably by police is just a footnote compared to the number killed or injured by other blacks.

Some people try not to minimize the loss of any human life, but if that's how you feel, please continue to devote the majority of your time to causes fighting to reduce black on black violence.

 

[KCfromNC]

I care what happens in the black community, but the black community doesn't seem to care what happens in the black community.

What in the world gives you that idea?

 

[jgarden]

Why pick Windsor? Why not some mountain village in the Himalayas? Apples and oranges.

"OldWiseGuy" didn't resort to the "apples and oranges" argument when an earlier post introduced Honduras and Switzerland in an effort to justify a pro NRA position!

The fact that Windsor is within a mile of Detroit, and yet went 27 months without a homicide, would suggest that perhaps there are valuable lessons that could be learned - apparently NRA supporters would have us believe that they already have all the answers!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"OldWiseGuy" didn't resort to the "apples and oranges" argument when an earlier post introduced Honduras and Switzerland in an effort to justify a pro NRA position!

The fact that Windsor is within a mile of Detroit, and yet went 27 months without a homicide, would suggest that perhaps there are valuable lessons that could be learned - apparently NRA supporters would have us believe that they already have all the answers!

Somebody has to have the answers. The anti's sure don't.

Windsor is an entirely different community from Detroit. It is vastly different in size, culture, education, income, and demographics. Detroit and Windsor might as well be on different planets.

 

[jgarden]

Somebody has to have the answers. The anti's sure don't.

Windsor is an entirely different community from Detroit. It is vastly different in size, culture, education, income, and demographics. Detroit and Windsor might as well be on different planets.

This is just another attempt to use "American exceptionalism" to support the idea that every problem, and its solution must be totally unique to this country - therefore we have nothing to learn from our neighbors, including those living less than a mile away!

"American exceptionalism" would ignore the invention of the wheel because it occurred in a foreign land which automatically disqualifies it from being adapted to an American setting?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This is just another attempt to use "American exceptionalism" to support the idea that every problem, and its solution must be totally unique to this country - therefore we have nothing to learn from our neighbors, including those living less than a mile away!

"American exceptionalism" would ignore the invention of the wheel because it occurred in a foreign land which automatically disqualifies it from being adapted to an American setting?

Wadaminute! Waddya mean we didn't invent the wheel?

 

[PeachyKeane]

Somebody has to have the answers. The anti's sure don't.

Windsor is an entirely different community from Detroit. It is vastly different in size, culture, education, income, and demographics. Detroit and Windsor might as well be on different planets.

You mean because a river runs between them? I grew up in Detroit. How is Windsor's income, culture and education different? As for size, when you share TV and radio stations, and much of the same workforce, size becomes a moot point.

 

[jgarden]

You mean because a river runs between them? I grew up in Detroit. How is Windsor's income, culture and education different? As for size, when you share TV and radio stations, and much of the same workforce, size becomes a moot point.

Detroit and Windsor have much more in common than differences!

Same language, media, sport's teams, access across the border, etc - what Canada does provide is a better "social safety net," universal healthcare and strict gun laws with respect to handguns and semi-automatic weapons!

There is no popular support in Detroit, or anywhere else in Canada, for the current American approach to firearms or healthcare!