What do we do with North Korea?

[Aldebaran]

Which is why we haven't just nuked them. We definitely do not want to get into a nuclear war with China or Russia. I mean, we could have ended the war on terror in 15 minutes instead of the what? 12-15 years we've been at war now? I was just saying, that nuclear war with NK is probably the best option to dealing with them. They're only going to become more and more of a threat as they continue to make nuclear weapons and ignore all UN warnings. But, that would start WWIII so.. I don't know.

Agreed. Like I've said many times in other related threads, it seems like a no-win situation. Every option seems like a bad one. Now, if there was a way to simply make NK decide to behave themselves, that would be a win. Not sure how to make that happen.

 

[Goonie]

I say we nuke them. The harder the better. I mean, they only want to nuke us so what's the difference? Someone's gotta launch the first nuke.

i only want to set the world on fire song - Bing video

 

[Neostarwcc]

Agreed. Like I've said many times in other related threads, it seems like a no-win situation. Every option seems like a bad one. Now, if there was a way to simply make NK decide to behave themselves, that would be a win. Not sure how to make that happen.

Yeah, it is kind of a pickle. I think WWIII is kind of inevitable. I will happen and it more than likely will be a long and deadly nuclear war.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah, it is kind of a pickle. I think WWIII is kind of inevitable. I will happen and it more than likely will be a long and deadly nuclear war.

The movie, The Day After was supposedly put out in the 80s because war seemed inevitable. It was supposed to get people to look at it and realize that it's something to avoid. Maybe an updated version of that movie should be made.

 

[Neostarwcc]

The movie, The Day After was supposedly put out in the 80s because war seemed inevitable. It was supposed to get people to look at it and realize that it's something to avoid. Maybe an updated version of that movie should be made.

Maybe. I would be interested in seeing it.

 

[Aldebaran]

Maybe. I would be interested in seeing it.

Me too. I remember seeing the original when it aired and it was pretty scary at the time. I hadn't seen anything like that before.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The movie, The Day After was supposedly put out in the 80s because war seemed inevitable. It was supposed to get people to look at it and realize that it's something to avoid. Maybe an updated version of that movie should be made.

A reboot would probably be condemned as some sort of liberal, anti-Donald propaganda piece.

"America destroyed? Preposterous! That's treason!"

 

[Neostarwcc]

Me too. I remember seeing the original when it aired and it was pretty scary at the time. I hadn't seen anything like that before.

I've never seen it. Was it a good movie? Maybe I'll pick it up on DVD sometime.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I think WWIII is kind of inevitable. I will happen and it more than likely will be a long and deadly nuclear war.

Nuclear war? I am against it.

We can and should do all we can to avoid it.

 

[doubtingmerle]

it seems like a no-win situation. Every option seems like a bad one.

Exactly. It is easy to bluster about how certain preemptive strikes will resolve the situation. But ask about what preemptive attack we should do (nuclear bombs, surgical strikes, or assassination) and then we find largely silence. There is no preemptive strike that is a clear winner. Although there is no guarantee that diplomacy and sanctions will get what we want, it is, in my mind, the best option we have.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I was just saying, that nuclear war with NK is probably the best option to dealing with them. They're only going to become more and more of a threat as they continue to make nuclear weapons and ignore all UN warnings. But, that would start WWIII so.. I don't know.

So nuclear war is the best option but that would be nuclear war...so maybe not?

Maybe not.

 

[Neostarwcc]

So nuclear war is the best option but that would be nuclear war...so maybe not?

Maybe not.

Yes, it is the best option as they will not listen to anything we say or do and it would be preferable that we get rid of the threat as quickly as possible. If we went to war with NK any other way it would be a much longer war with more casualties. That is why in WWII we decided to go nuclear against Japan because we wanted to end the war very quickly. The war would have lasted for over a decade longer if we didn't go nuclear and more people would have died in the long run. Like I said, the War on terror has been going on for 12-15 years now and we could have ended the war in 15 minutes if we went nuclear. But, nuclear war wasn't really an option in that case. But, you're also right that we would get into a nuclear war with China or Russia if we went nuclear against NK. Which would be a bad thing. So, I don't know what my position is. I don't want a long drawn out war with NK and I don't want America to start WWIII either. I also don't want the war on terror to carry on forever (It's impossible to eliminate all terrorists so I don't even know why America is trying). I'd like at least a decade of no war. NK kind of has us in a pickle.

 

[Aldebaran]

I've never seen it. Was it a good movie? Maybe I'll pick it up on DVD sometime.

It's pretty scary now, even though it was made back in 1983. Apparently, you won't have to pick up the DVD. The full movie is available on Youtube, not to mention just certain parts of it, depending on what you're looking for. But here's a link to the whole thing. You won't be able to watch it here though, but will have to go to Youtube's site to actually see it:

 

[RDKirk]

The movie, The Day After was supposedly put out in the 80s because war seemed inevitable. It was supposed to get people to look at it and realize that it's something to avoid. Maybe an updated version of that movie should be made.

Ironically, "The Day After" was released right about the time it actually nearly was "the day after."

Check Wikipedia and YouTube for exercise ABLE ARCHER 83.

I was involved in that at the time, working in the Strategic Air Command's Combat Operations Staff. That was the scariest four days of my life. The generals' faces were gray as concrete. In the SAC Underground Command post, for four days were were very seriously working as furiously as we could to be ready to launch an attack if the Soviets could not be ratcheted back.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ironically, "The Day After" was released right about the time it actually nearly was "the day after."

Check Wikipedia and YouTube for exercise ABLE ARCHER 83.

I was involved in that at the time, working in the Strategic Air Command's Combat Operations Staff. That was the scariest four days of my life. The generals' faces were gray as concrete. In the SAC Underground Command post, for four days were were very seriously working as furiously as we could to be ready to launch an attack if the Soviets could not be ratcheted back.

It sounds like you actually lived out what those in the movie were trying to portray. It must have been quite a bit worse not knowing how it would end.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Are you asking how do you solve a problem like Korea?

 

[RDKirk]

It sounds like you actually lived out what those in the movie were trying to portray. It must have been quite a bit worse not knowing how it would end.

We had been through a lot of planning for continuing nuclear war even "The Day After"--plans that have to start with "who is still alive?" So a great deal of what was shown in the movie was what we already knew in cold statistics, calculations, predictions.

Where I sat in the Underground Command Post during previous nuclear war exercises, we always "died" thirty minutes after execution of the Major Attack Option, because we calculated that the Soviets had 25-30 warheads targeted for our coordinates. During quiet moments of such exercises, we sometimes speculated what that would feel like--how much we'd feel from near-misses before the one on target got us.

We sometimes speculated whether we'd really watch the situation escalate without trying to get word to our families above us to take to the hills. Probably, we wouldn't. We didn't during those scary days of ABLE ARCHER 83, and that was pretty darned close.

There was one particular scene, though, in "The Day After" that I'd never visualized: When the guards at the silos suddenly saw the missile launch skyward and realized what that meant...for them.

 

[Breve]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this in earlier posts but some useful info on Korea's history and why Nth Korea is the #@$ mess it is today.

 

[szechuan]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this in earlier posts but some useful info on Korea's history and why Nth Korea is the #@$ mess it is today.

Stefan Molyneaux lol.

I personally Trust Nat Geo over Stefan Molyneaux but regardless most Documentaries already show you why. Here is one of the more popular Documentaries on NK.