If Reincarnation is true then Jesus was sacrificed for no good

[miknik5]

Likewise.

It's not an appeal to authority, besides my own direct experience with Reality. Therefore, since my statement was a assertion regarding my own experiences, I suppose I am my own authority.

Well, the statement was meant to point out that the basic nature regarding Reality (as I see it) involves suffering, at every point.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "accept"?

The basic Law governing Reality as seen in Buddhism is the Law of Kamma-Vipaka: cause and effect. A derived Law is thus the process of dependent origination - one thing causes another which serves as the cause for another effect, etc. The process of unbinding is guided by intention (kamma), to the state of nibbana (no suffering) - not to "nothing".

All attachments causes suffering. All action is motivated by the desire to relieve that experience of suffering. A state of no action is caused by a state of no suffering.

The unbinding (on a fundamental level of reality) causes the flame to appear to extinguish (on a less fundamental level of reality).

In a sense, we advocate moving our attention from the most obvious, superficial layers of reality, to focus on the most fundamental layer instead - in order to find & address the root of all the problems which manifest in the more superficial layers. We leave the cosmological model (e.g. questions about physical life, eternal life, etc.) to the more fundamental phenomenological model way of thinking (e.g. sensory & mental experiences).

To use a metaphor: we stop investigating the nature of the icons on our computer desktop (or the nature of the flame and its apparent disappearance) to focus on the fundamental quantum states underlying them all.

I'm sorry to ask this but what then is the purpose of reincarnation?

Given you are on a self directed path to emptiness?

If the belief of reincarnation is also a Buddhist belief (is it?) then this implies that no one involved in these Buddhist practices ever really reaches their ultimate goal

And has to start all over again

 

[miknik5]

Indeed. In spiritual matters, the only authority one should really answer to, is their own.

Then this means you do not believe that there is ONE who has all authority over all flesh?

 

[Noxot]

we can't escape from our own authority

 

[TheOldWays]

I'm sorry to ask this but what then is the purpose of reincarnation?

Given you are on a self directed path to emptiness?

If the belief of reincarnation is also a Buddhist belief (is it?) then this implies that no one involved in these Buddhist practices ever really reaches their ultimate goal

And has to start all over again

reincarnation is endless rebirth. it's called the samsara. the goal is to escape the samsara. Buddhist's have a variety of beliefs, but the main jist as one becomes more enlightened, eventually they escape rebirth after death and become Buddhas themselves and are no longer stuck in the endless cycle.

 

[TheOldWays]

Then this means you do not believe that there is ONE who has all authority over all flesh?

i don't really worry about it. trying to serve an authority that is not your own in spiritual matters usually leads to serving an egregore.

God did say not to serve other gods, so I try not to. Christianity and other such paths usually lead to serving other gods. Jesus speaks about it as well.

 

[ananda]

I'm sorry to ask this but what then is the purpose of reincarnation?

Given you are on a self directed path to emptiness?

If the belief of reincarnation is also a Buddhist belief (is it?) then this implies that no one involved in these Buddhist practices ever really reaches their ultimate goal

And has to start all over again

Rebirth - which I not only believe, but also perceive - is basically another facet of the Law of Cause and Effect (Kamma). Rebirth gives us unlimited opportunities to change, and to become better individuals.

I am not on a path to emptiness; I am on a path to the ending of suffering (nibbana).

The "stickiness" which keeps us in process of rebirth is due to our incredibly strong desires to cling or to push away. Awakening is the progressive process of quieting our tendencies towards clinging and aversion, with total awakening (nibbana) the result of totally ending both clinging and aversion. I have also perceived this process for myself (at least the early stages), so it is not simply a matter of faith.

I haven't personally perceived the Christian God, Jesus, his life death/resurrection, or really anything in the Bible. Even if I had directly perceived these things, I still can't imagine how observing those things can verify their Almightiness for me. How has Jesus verified such things for you, when you've perceived him?

 

[dlamberth]

I'm sorry to ask this but what then is the purpose of reincarnation?

Spiritual evolution.

 

[dlamberth]

Then this means you do not believe that there is ONE who has all authority over all flesh?

The ONE who has authority over ALL is life itSelf.

 

[dlamberth]

If the belief of reincarnation is also a Buddhist belief (is it?) then this implies that no one involved in these Buddhist practices ever really reaches their ultimate goal

And has to start all over again

As the Universe evolves into higher and higher consciousness, I see no ultimate goal other than an ever greater consciousness over eons of time.

 

[SteamChristian]

There's no second chance, deceased people are judged at the end of this world.
Rev 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Yes, the Judgement at the end of this world.

Leaves room though, from the beginning of the human race till that final judgment, many hundreds of centuries for PLENTY of reincarnation.

If one adds up academic studies, numerous anecdotal stories and other evidences even Biblical , one might conclude it appears reincarnation did exist and still exists.

Hindu sages and Buddhist monks explain profusely about one's current place in this world being determined by past deeds and misdeeds, even from long forgotten past lifetimes.

Even if reincarnation were true as advertised, Jesus Christ made any reincarnation mechanism obsolete.

Faith in Jesus Christ allows the sincere believer entry into Heaven at the end of their current life. Else Christ died for nothing. True one can get self help advice from any number of sages, however, only Jesus can forgive sin which is the domain of God, and demonstrating the credibility of his claims through numerous miracles culminating in his Resurrection.

It is this simple and direct empowered teaching of Christianity that allowed it to speed past the numerous established religions of the Roman Empire and continue into the 21st century.

While reincarnation in part might explain why some suffer more than others; to the sincere Christian, who is promised eternal life by Jesus; reincarnation is at best, a curiosity.

 

[ananda]

only Jesus can forgive sin which is the domain of God, and demonstrating the credibility of his claims through numerous miracles culminating in his Resurrection..

When did you get a chance to witness his miracles and resurrection?

 

[miknik5]

Yes, the Judgement at the end of this world.

Leaves room though, from the beginning of the human race till that final judgment, many hundreds of centuries for PLENTY of reincarnation.

If one adds up academic studies, numerous anecdotal stories and other evidences even Biblical , one might conclude it appears reincarnation did exist and still exists.

Hindu sages and Buddhist monks explain profusely about one's current place in this world being determined by past deeds and misdeeds, even from long forgotten past lifetimes.

Even if reincarnation were true as advertised, Jesus Christ made any reincarnation mechanism obsolete.

Faith in Jesus Christ allows the sincere believer entry into Heaven at the end of their current life. Else Christ died for nothing. True one can get self help advice from any number of sages, however, only Jesus can forgive sin which is the domain of God, and demonstrating the credibility of his claims through numerous miracles culminating in his Resurrection.

It is this simple and direct empowered teaching of Christianity that allowed it to speed past the numerous established religions of the Roman Empire and continue into the 21st century.

While reincarnation in part might explain why some suffer more than others; to the sincere Christian, who is promised eternal life by Jesus; reincarnation is at best, a curiosity.

Well

Not really

To the CHRISTIAN who believes GOD's PROMISES, reincarnation is not at best, a curiosity


But a lie

 

[TheOldWays]

Well

Not really

To the CHRISTIAN who believes GOD's PROMISES, reincarnation is not at best, a curiosity


But a lie

It's a beautiful world when there is so many interesting beliefs, even within one religion.

 

[miknik5]

It's a beautiful world when there is so many interesting beliefs, even within one religion.

ONE GOD sir

And ONE WAY
And ONE TRUTH and TESTIMONY

 

[Bro. Daniel]

ONE GOD sir

And ONE WAY
And ONE TRUTH and TESTIMONY

Lol I heard God say to me after reading this to give you Matthew 10:16.
He said "You have much fire my daughter, but be gentle as a dove."

Shalom and be blessed,

Bro. Daniel

 

[Bro. Daniel]

Rebirth - which I not only believe, but also perceive - is basically another facet of the Law of Cause and Effect (Kamma). Rebirth gives us unlimited opportunities to change, and to become better individuals.

I am not on a path to emptiness; I am on a path to the ending of suffering (nibbana).

The "stickiness" which keeps us in process of rebirth is due to our incredibly strong desires to cling or to push away. Awakening is the progressive process of quieting our tendencies towards clinging and aversion, with total awakening (nibbana) the result of totally ending both clinging and aversion. I have also perceived this process for myself (at least the early stages), so it is not simply a matter of faith.

I haven't personally perceived the Christian God, Jesus, his life death/resurrection, or really anything in the Bible. Even if I had directly perceived these things, I still can't imagine how observing those things can verify their Almightiness for me. How has Jesus verified such things for you, when you've perceived him?

The Father said to return back to your first love. He said reincarnation is indeed real but you will not like where you might end up if you do not return in time. He says you did not take the time to invest in Him to find His truth. Confirm with Him in prayer please.

Shalom and be blessed,

Bro. Daniel

 

[ananda]

The Father said to return back to your first love. He said reincarnation is indeed real but you will not like where you might end up if you do not return in time. He says you did not take the time to invest in Him to find His truth. Confirm with Him in prayer please.

Shalom and be blessed,

Bro. Daniel

I've prayed for 30+ years ... can't say I've ever heard him speak back to me!

30 years wasn't enough time?

 

[Bro. Daniel]

I've prayed for 30+ years ... can't say I've ever heard him speak back to me!

I'm not sure what type of questions or how your relationship was with God back then but that is between you and Him.

You will need true repentance, renouncing and denouncing every occult thing you've ever done, witchcraft, astrology, horoscopes, sever soul ties from past friends, deliverance prayers to remove demons, with fasting included.

You'll have to ask God to go through your body with the Fire of the Holy Spirit and the Blood of Yahushua to cleanse you from the top of your head to the soles of your feet, and your pineal gland to flush out every evil deposit the enemy left inside as well.

You will have to remove satan from your dominion seat and sever him away from every chakra (7 out of the 12) you allowed his demons to attach around your spirit-man.

You will also have to break and sever all soul ties to all chakras, break all unconscious covenants, and remove items in the home that are causing interference. Ancestral and generational curses / sins, broken spiritual foundations will also block His voice and presence. Those will have to be done with deliverance prayers and fasting as well.

Fasting deadens the flesh and allows you to hear from God. Feeding your spirit with God's word helps also. Asking God for discernment, clarity revelation and understanding. It's a process. Most people don't fast or evangelize, steward or tithe 10% of their life to God to properly hear from Him or ask what's blocking them from hearing Him. There are also spiritual gateways you have to open up to God as well in your heart, soul, spirit, subconscious, unconscious and conscious mind.

Properly entering His presence through worship and praise will also help do the same as Psalms 100 gives instruction.

All it takes is for you to get to a certain level in that religion to astral project, and when you do, satan can sever your silver cord while you're delving in another plane of existence during enlightenment and your body will die but your spirit will be stuck in the outer planes until judgment day.

I will send the prayers to you via conversation to help you but it will be your choice to return to Him as I am only a messenger.

(Hosea 4:6)

Shalom and be blessed,
Bro. Daniel

 

[ananda]

I'm not sure what type of questions or how your relationship was with God back then but that is between you and Him.

You will need true repentance, renouncing and denouncing every occult thing you've ever done, witchcraft, astrology, horoscopes, sever soul ties from past friends, deliverance prayers to remove demons, with fasting included.

You'll have to ask God to go through your body with the Fire of the Holy Spirit and the Blood of Yahushua to cleanse you from the top of your head to the soles of your feet, and your pineal gland to flush out every evil deposit the enemy left inside as well.

You will have to remove satan from your dominion seat and sever him away from every chakra (7 out of the 12) you allowed his demons to attach around your spirit-man.

You will also have to break and sever all soul ties to all chakras, break all unconscious covenants, and remove items in the home that are causing interference. Ancestral and generational curses / sins, broken spiritual foundations will also block His voice and presence. Those will have to be done with deliverance prayers and fasting as well.

Fasting deadens the flesh and allows you to hear from God. Feeding your spirit with God's word helps also. Asking God for discernment, clarity revelation and understanding. It's a process. Most people don't fast or evangelize, steward or tithe 10% of their life to God to properly hear from Him or ask what's blocking them from hearing Him. There are also spiritual gateways you have to open up to God as well in your heart, soul, spirit, subconscious, unconscious and conscious mind.

Properly entering His presence through worship and praise will also help do the same as Psalms 100 gives instruction.

All it takes is for you to get to a certain level in that religion to astral project, and when you do, satan can sever your silver cord while you're delving in another plane of existence during enlightenment and your body will die but your spirit will be stuck in the outer planes until judgment day.

I will send the prayers to you via conversation to help you but it will be your choice to return to Him as I am only a messenger.

(Hosea 4:6)

Shalom and be blessed,
Bro. Daniel

Thanks for sharing. Have you audibly heard his voice as a result of performing these practices?

 

[Bro. Daniel]

Yes, when I saw your reply in the conversation I heard God say "Tell him to come back to his first love."

The closer you try to get to Him, He will begin to reveal Himself to you.