Presbyterian Minister Cancelled Wedding After Bride Declared Support for Same-Sex Marriage

[com7fy8]

We should be able to replace gay marriage with anything : remarriage, support of liars, support of fornicators, support of judgers. They should all be treated the same. none better or worse than the other.

Yes, but there is right judging. Jesus says "judge with righteous judgment," in John 7:24. And Jesus Himself says to talk personally with someone, first, then bring witnesses if the person refuses, then take the person before the church.

By the way, the pastor has not written that she is being put out of the church, simply that he can not preside over her wedding while she is promoting gay marriage.

I would say if someone started openly promoting self-righteous judging, then he would rightly do the same with that person. I myself have withheld myself from getting married because of how I can get into paranoid and self-righteous stuff against others, and I understand this is anti-love and therefore can keep me from getting into a real love relationship for marriage. And instead I have been praying for however God is able to correct us > Hebrews 12:4-11.

 

[miknik5]

Why would God accept you, if you willingly reject the least of His? You feel that you are God's Child but they are not? You feel better than them because they don't have the same beliefs as you? Do you pray that you are glad you are not like the sinners over there?

We aren't talking about gay people and gay marriage here, no matter how you try to make it about that. We are talking about treating people differently because of what they think and believe. denying services because we believe they support a cause we don't. We should be able to replace gay marriage with anything : remarriage, support of liars, support of fornicators, support of judgers. They should all be treated the same. none better or worse than the other.

To the blind, everyone else cant see. To the deceived, everyone else is deceived. But they are not wrong.....Just deceived and blind.....They are doing and saying what they truly believe in their heart, just like you, me, the minister, and the couple.

Only those who refuse to consider the beams in their own eye will be lost.....walking blindly to the pit that they cant see.

Maybe the couple is blind, maybe you are, maybe I am......But I have hope because of the fact that I am willing to consider myself...as opposed to just quoting Eph 2:2 and assuming it applies to everyone who doesn't do, think and believe what I do.....

What are you saying?
Is everything relative then?
Nothing stands out as constant and absolute unchanging TRUTH?

 

[Phil 1:21]

Jesus condemned the lawyers and the interpreters of the Scripture.....The ones saying what was right and wrong in the eyes of God. ;-)

Only partially right. He never condemned anyone for correctly applying or teaching scripture.

The bible never said the adulterer was repentant, that would be something added by the interpreters of the scriptures. ;-)

It never said she doubled down on justifying and promoting sin…unlike the lady in this story.

And who would not be repentant in the middle of a firing quad? Would you not say whatever you had to to get out?

Read the last words of people facing execution. You may be surprised.

… but not, the religious would not even give the sinner the chance to say anything or repent of anything...they see, condemn with scripture, and throw the stones.

It seems the young lady in this story did say something, didn’t she?

Only Christ would think to even talk to them. The ones we look down on and excommunicate ;-)

And tell them to sin no more. Jesus didn’t tolerate sin.

 

[RaymondG]

Yes, but there is right judging. Jesus says "judge with righteous judgment," in John 7:24. And Jesus Himself says to talk personally with someone, first, then bring witnesses if the person refuses, then take the person before the church.

By the way, the pastor has not written that she is being put out of the church, simply that he can not preside over her wedding while she is promoting gay marriage.

I would say if someone started openly promoting self-righteous judging, then he would rightly do the same with that person. I myself have withheld myself from getting married because of how I can get into paranoid and self-righteous stuff against others, and I understand this is anti-love and therefore can keep me from getting into a real love relationship for marriage. And instead I have been praying for however God is able to correct us > Hebrews 12:4-11.

For me, I was shown that "Judge with righteous Judgement" meant for be to see the good in what my old self would consider bad. I use to believe that it meant for me to consider myself righteous and therefore able to judge between good and bad of those I felt unrighteous....or at least less righteous than I believed myself to be. no more.

Judge not according to the appearance, but "judge righteous judgment". How is it that you judge? How are you able to judge without considering what it is that you believe based on the appearance? Man judges by appearance! Only God knows the contents of the heart.

But your interpretation is right as well: Be it done unto you as you believe.

 

[Hank77]

Perhaps because the couple in this case disagree with their church's theology of marriage?

What if they disagreed about the right to remarry in the case of abandonment or adultery? Would the pastor have canceled the wedding? Would he have been spiritually correct to cancel the wedding?

 

[JackRT]

What are you saying?
Is everything relative then?
Nothing stands out as constant and absolute unchanging TRUTH?

Love

 

[miknik5]

If they knew Him, they would not have Crucified our Lord. They were blinded by their interpretations of scripture, just like many of us are. Think about it....If Jesus came to your house today looking opposite of what you think he should; preaching an interpretation different from what you preach vehemently on this forum, wouldn't you do the same as them? wouldnt you trade post for post to try to catch him in lies? call him a blasphemer? Tell him he was supposed to come in the sky on a horse, not in rags at my front door? Have we done this already?

Sir

We all crucified THE LORD
There are those who are covered by HIS BLOOD

And there are those still outside the DOOR of THAT REFUGE

uncovered

 

[RaymondG]

Only partially right. He never condemned anyone for correctly applying or teaching scripture.

It never said she doubled down on justifying and promoting sin…unlike the lady in this story.

Read the last words of people facing execution. You may be surprised.

It seems the young lady in this story did say something, didn’t she?

And tell them to sin no more. Jesus didn’t tolerate sin.

You have all the answers....therefore my questions have fled. Good luck to you on your journey to Heaven.

 

[com7fy8]

and then you have said what she says on Facebook rather privately is not a big matter.

When did I make this statement...can you show me? Or was this your interpretation of the words you read?

I might have been referring to this, Raymond >

To have a random FB post about a belief in an unrelated situation is unfortunate. But not bad.....as all things work together for the good to them that Love God.

So, by the way, even if the pastor is wrong, God can work this for the good of those who love God I think his stand is correct, and he did not clearly reject her from associating with his church. But I do not know for sure how consistent he might be in dealing with adultery or self-righteous judging; but he would be right to handle those things the same way . . . even if they were not given away on Facebook, but only in private counseling . . . if the person insisted on continuing in what is wrong.

If it got to the pastor's attention, it was not very private, I would say. And I can not say she put it in randomly, if it was right when or around when she was getting counseling about marriage. And, just because God can use something wrong for His good, this does not make it ok. Jesus was nailed to the cross, and this was very wrong, but God used it. So, the fact that God can use it does not mean it is good

So, my opinion is I am interpreting what you said, and you did mean it was not such a big deal. And you yourself have made it clear that even our private and secret thoughts are a big deal, to God. And I agree with this, needing to apply this to my own self

 

[miknik5]

Love

Love doesn't mean the preacher has to go against his own conscience to accommodate the couple


This is an inconvenience to the couple for sure but don't confuse this to mean that the preachers heart is full of hatred and unloving by not going ahead out of
the inconvenience of this poor young couples plans

 

[RaymondG]

Sir

We all crucified THE LORD
There are those who are covered by HIS BLOOD

And there are those still outside the DOOR of THAT REFUGE

uncovered

Are you still crucifying Him? ARe you inside the door looking out at us, Or on the outside looking in?

 

[Phil 1:21]

You have all the answers....therefore my questions have fled. Good luck to you on your journey to Heaven.

No, my friend, I don't have all the answers. But this one is abundantly obvious after even a cursory reading of scripture, as most replying to your posts have pointed out.

My ticket to Heaven was already bought and paid for at Calvary. No luck needed.

 

[miknik5]

Are you still crucifying Him? ARe you inside the door looking out at us, Or on the outside looking in?

Come in then

 

[Phil 1:21]

Love doesn't mean the preacher has to go against his own conscience to accommodate the couple


This is an inconvenience to the couple for sure but don't confuse this to mean that the preachers heart is full of hatred and unloving by not going ahead out of
the inconvenience of this poor young couples plans

Absolutely. There is nothing loving about turning a blind eye to sin.

 

[com7fy8]

For me, I was shown that "Judge with righteous Judgement" meant for be to see the good in what my old self would consider bad. I use to believe that it meant for me to consider myself righteous and therefore able to judge between good and bad of those I felt unrighteous....or at least less righteous than I believed myself to be. no more.

Judge not according to the appearance, but "judge righteous judgment". How is it that you judge? How are you able to judge without considering what it is that you believe based on the appearance? Man judges by appearance! Only God knows the contents of the heart.

But your interpretation is right as well: Be it done unto you as you believe.

Thank you for sharing your so personal discovering about this. I understand that our Christian Forum rules mean for us to discuss this in its own thread. So, I have started a discussion of John 7:24 in the "Christian Scriptures", where I would be glad to discuss this

And I hope you would be ok with me quoting your above questions, for us to discuss here >

"judge with righteous judgment" > John 7:24 (c:

 

[RaymondG]

I might have been referring to this, Raymond >So, by the way, even if the pastor is wrong, God can work this for the good of those who love God I think his stand is correct, and he did not clearly reject her from associating with his church. But I do not know for sure how consistent he might be in dealing with adultery or self-righteous judging; but he would be right to handle those things the same way . . . even if they were not given away on Facebook, but only in private counseling . . . if the person insisted on continuing in what is wrong.

If it got to the pastor's attention, it was not very private, I would say. And I can not say she put it in randomly, if it was right when or around when she was getting counseling about marriage. And, just because God can use something wrong for His good, this does not make it ok. Jesus was nailed to the cross, and this was very wrong, but God used it. So, the fact that God can use it does not mean it is good

So, my opinion is I am interpreting what you said, and you did mean it was not such a big deal. And you yourself have made it clear that even our private and secret thoughts are a big deal, to God. And I agree with this, needing to apply this to my own self

How can you trust your bible interpretations if you cant even interpret the words of my post?

I say :The post was random and unrelated to the marriage of the poster, the consequences was unfortunate but not bad.

You were able to pull from this whether or not I felt the post was a big deal or not?

I have also posted that I don't think the minister was wrong or the couple. did you not see that as well?

You are the one who has the ability to judge the situation, I cant. This is something that happened and God will judge all parties involved.

 

[JackRT]

This is an inconvenience to the couple for sure but don't confuse this to mean that the preachers heart is full of hatred and unloving by not going ahead out of
the inconvenience of this poor young couples plans

I don't think that anyone here has suggested that the preacher's heart was full of hate or that he was unloving. For myself, I believe that the conscience that he is following may not yet be fully formed.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Same-sex "marriages" is a threat to society....there, I said it...., burn me at the stake beside the Presbyterian minister.

Homosexual activists aim to ‘destroy the family’, impose ‘totalitarianism'

Interesting perspective. However, given the rate of divorce and remarriage among heterosexual couples, including among Christians, I will have to respectfully disagree with that assessment. In fact, I know several homosexuals, including homosexual couples, and none of them are a threat to me or to my family or to society as a whole. I think it's disingenuous to convict all homosexuals for the actions of a few who might support such an ideal that's addressed in the article. I think that would be like convicting all Christians for the actions of those lunatic people from the Westboro Baptist Church.

One more thing, please do me a favor and don't resort to the No True Scotsman fallacy concerning these particular Christians in response. I think doing so is nothing more than a lousy excuse and an absurd cop-out. Anyway, I've included two articles with the divorce rates among heterosexual couples, including Christians. I thought it would be helpful for this discussion to provide the information.

Marriage and Divorce

FactChecker: Divorce Rate Among Christians

 

[RaymondG]

No, my friend, I don't have all the answers. But this one is abundantly obvious after even a cursory reading of scripture, as most replying to your posts have pointed out.

My ticket to Heaven was already bought and paid for at Calvary. No luck needed.

I hope you find comfort in your words and wisdom.

 

[RaymondG]

Thank you for sharing your so personal discovering about this. I understand that our Christian Forum rules mean for us to discuss this in its own thread. So, I have started a discussion of John 7:24 in the "Christian Scriptures", where I would be glad to discuss this

And I hope you would be ok with me quoting your above questions, for us to discuss here >

"judge with righteous judgment" > John 7:24 (c:

What is the point in asking a question when you aren't willing to consider you may be wrong? Are you doing it for "likes" or "agrees" Maybe to try and make me find bad or stupid for the information I was given? either way, I hope you accomplish your hearts desire.