Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[rjs330]

The poster I responded to says he follows sola scripture, and according to sola scripture we must follow the letter of the law. The inference was that is our righteousness. The letter kills 2cor3:6
I have been to churches which stress the letter of the Bible is paramount. These Churche's, in effect preach the letter, not the heart of the message contained in it. I did say most in my post, not all.

Please read the posts of the person I responded to with the post you replied to. They certainly do bear out what I have found to be the case in my experience

No Sola Scriptura does not mean we must follow the letter of the law. That's your misunderstanding. Sola Scriptura means scripture is the only true authority on all matters of faith and doctrine. As you say the letter kills. How do we know that? From scripture of course. So the authority of scripture declairs this. If a priest or someone says "the letter doesn't kill." Then they are wrong because scripture has the ultimate authority.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No Sola Scriptura does not mean we must follow the letter of the law. That's your misunderstanding. Sola Scriptura means scripture is the only true authority on all matters of faith and doctrine. As you say the letter kills. How do we know that? From scripture of course. So the authority of scripture declairs this. If a priest or someone says "the letter doesn't kill." Then they are wrong because scripture has the ultimate authority.

Who truly follows sola scripture?

Sin is the transgression of the law
1john3:4

Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin, if you fail to observe the law you do commit sin

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

And Paul goes on repeating it. Isn't that sola scripture?
BTW

I'm NOT advocating a licence to sin.
But I feel I must repeat, the churches I have known, who in effect subscribe the most to sola scripture, only preach one side/ part of sola scripture.

 

[The Times]

That would be up to the Spirit would it not?

Even for teaching that is at first glance Biblical or even technically correct, I find that it "jangles" something in me, and often later on I observe that it was not from God according to His timing and His manner. Even something that is technically, theologically true can be divisive, heretical and counter to the Spirit when used in the wrong way at the wrong time.

But if we look in the books of the Bible we find that John was pretty clear: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. (1 John 4)

Matthew quotes Jesus: Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. (Matthew 7)

and Paul shows us what this fruit looks like: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other....

...You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other....

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.... (Galatians 5)

Of course it is good to study, discuss and debate. But we have used theology that no person can know with any certainty as a tool to divide the body and so destroyed each other. We have, to a large degree, been enslaved by theological correctness at the expense of deep love and unity.

So if people would embrace the form of faith you have presented in your detailed description, then one wpuld be obligated to accept the sins of the world, without ever needing to reject and to CHALLENGE them by the letter of the heart of flesh, the Sola Scripture of the Word of God, the Law.

So let me ask you one question, if I may....

Are you opposed to practising homosexuals, pedophiles, whoremongers, warmongers, murderers, thieves, those who practise evil?

 

[The Times]

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19)

I would also suggest that the same sort of allowance applies for slavery, capital punishment, war and even issues such as racial distinctions as taught Biblically in the OT that do not reflect the original and complete Truth of God.

In your eyes, the things taught in OT does not reflect the complete truth of God right?

So when you use the example of marriage, you should be a conscientious objector of marriage that does not fall within what our High Priest Jesus commanded, right?

 

[The Times]

Let's put it another way.
If you feared hell by breaking commandments, every time a sinfull thought came into your head you would get, nervous, agitated, worked up, overwrought etc.
They are all dictionary definitions of the word excite. So you then, strange as it may seem, get excited when sinfull thoughts come to you. Your fear of the penalty of sin brings you to have emotions that bring you to an excited, or aroused state when you think of breaking Gods laws/ committing sin

The Sola Scripture of the heart of flesh, means that the reverent fear of God is tied to loving him, as it is said by Jesus if you love me, you will obey my commandments. If reverent fear does not go hand in hand with the love of God and his Christ, then within that excited heart, the nature of man will look towards worldly idols to give their reverent fear to. There is the switch of fearing other things, rather than God.

What was the angel message....

"Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

If our hearts are not excited for the Kingdom of God, then we become a society which embraces the sins of the world and abandon the Laws of God in the wake of destruction to come.

Only reverent fear of God by a broken and contrite heart will not be condemned by God. It is this excited state of reverent fear that places a born again believer dead to the flesh. Your definition of dead to sin does not line up with what is expected by Sola Scripture.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The Sola Scripture of the heart of flesh, means that the reverent fear of God is tied to loving him, as it is said by Jesus if you love me, you will obey my commandments. If reverent fear does not go hand in hand with the love of God and his Christ, then within that excited heart, the nature of man will look towards worldly idols to give their reverent fear to. There is the switch of fearing other things, rather than God.

What was the angel message....

"Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

If our hearts are not excited for the Kingdom of God, then we become a society which embraces the sins of the world and abandon the Laws of God in the wake of destruction ti come.

You quoted Jesus words:
If you love me obey my commandments.

Do you try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?. If not, does this mean, based on your quote you do not love Jesus?

 

[The Times]

You quoted Jesus words:
If you love me obey my commandments.

Do you try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?. If not, does this mean, based on your quote you do not love Jesus?

In my capacity I do sincerely, with a broken and contrite heart, having reverent fear of him. My love is directly tied to reverent fear of Jesus, that without this exited internalized heart condition, I would not be genuine in what I say or preach.

 

[The Times]

How else did thousands of Christian martyrs lay down their lives for Jesus, unless they had an excited heart condition that enabled them to do this, in the face of numbers and justice system of their day?

Jesus said...

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[stuart lawrence]

In my capacity I do sincerely, with a broken and contrite heart, having reverent fear of him. My love is directly tied to reverent fear of Jesus, that without this exited internalized heart condition, I would not be genuine in what I say or preach.

Let me tell you. In over forty years if going to various churches i have not met one person who even tried to obey each and every literal command of Christ and I am sure you don't either.
You are quoting g the letter and demanding of others what you do not even try to follow in your own life.
I'm sorry but you are perfectly endorsing my views stated in this thread

 

[stuart lawrence]

In my capacity I do sincerely, with a broken and contrite heart, having reverent fear of him. My love is directly tied to reverent fear of Jesus, that without this exited internalized heart condition, I would not be genuine in what I say or preach.

If sola scripture is wholly accepting the biblical message stated in the bible, which one of us more follows sola scripture?

Sin is the transgression of the law 1john 3:4

Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin. If you fail to observe the law you do commit sin

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing in the law/ not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

And Paul goes on and on repeating it.
Do you believe rom3:20?

I don't see how you can based on posts you have written to me.
So who is the more sola scripture guy out of the two of us?

 

[The Times]

Let me tell you. In over forty years if going to various churches i have not met one person who even tried to obey each and every literal command of Christ and I am sure you don't either.
You are quoting g the letter and demanding of others what you do not even try to follow in your own life.
I'm sorry but you are perfectly endorsing my views stated in this thread

Are you correct in judging me?
Are you so sure that my excited heart condition does not try to obey every commandment of Jesus?
To whom are you comparing me to?

A broken and contrite heart will always be excited to follow the instructions of God, without exception or concession.

Either the spirit is willing or it is not. My heart condition has more fervent desire to teach Sola Scripture, especially in the lawless days we are living in, where people speak one thing, yet their hearts desire another. If Sola Scripture is not written on our hearts, then we have fallen for the idol of the self, that is we want to preserve our jobs, livelyhood, friends, things of this world and our very lives.

Did you know that in these days especially that if we are not ready to die for the Lord, we will never enter the gates of heaven. Our obligation is to lay down our lives, not to preserve it, especially in these wicked times that we live in

Jesus said.....
“Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their lifef will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Are you correct in judging me?
Are you so sure that my excited heart condition does not try to obey every commandment of Jesus?
To whom are you comparing me to?

A broken and contrite heart will always be excited to follow the instructions of God, without exception or concession.

Either the spirit is willing or it is not. 45 years old and my heart condition has more fervent desire to teach Sola Scripture, especially in the lawless days we are living in, where people speak one thing, yet their hearts desire another. If Sola Scripture is not written on our hearts, then we have fallen for the idol of the self, that is we want to preserve our jobs, livelyhood, friends, things of this world and our very lives.

Did you know that in these days especially that if we are not ready to die for the Lord, we will never enter the gates of heaven. Our obligation is to lay down our lives, not to preserve it, especially in these wicked times that we live in

Jesus said.....
“Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their lifef will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

My friend it is easy to make pat statements.
Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal but rather the poor, lame, blind and beggars. Please just respond yes or no, for that is the literal command of christ
If someone( anyone) asked to borrow money from you would you gladly give it without expecting to get it back?
If someone stole something of yours would you offer them more besides what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?
If you have ever fasted, I hope you were not a hypocrite and told anyone you were fasting but ensured you gave no hint you were.
I can give more examples

 

[The Times]

If sola scripture is wholly accepting the biblical message stated in the bible, which one of us more follows sola scripture?

Sin is the transgression of the law 1john 3:4

Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin. If you fail to observe the law you do commit sin

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing in the law/ not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

And Paul goes on and on repeating it.
Do you believe rom3:20?

I don't see how you can based in posts you have written to me.
So who is the more sola scripture guy out of the two of us?

No one is claiming perfection or sinless state. The matter of observing the Law in the heart of flesh, is one that is of an exited heart condition as you correctly stated in previous post. Our excited heart condition is the Sola Scripture, that is ready at a moment's notice to reject and to oppose all manner of evil/sin. Sin is Evil incarnate!

A born again believers heart is continually in a state of readiness and is vigilant as one is in a spiritual warfare that is realised the more evil/sin is detected in the world. The born again believers are Sin Busters, exposing lies, darkness, deception and all manner of evil/sin.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No one is claiming perfection or sinless state. The matter of observing the Law in the heart of flesh, is one that is of an exited heart condition as you correctly stated in previpus post. Our excited heart condition is the Sola Scripture, that is ready at a moment's notice to reject and to oppose all manner of evil/sin. Sin is Evil incarnate!

A born again believers heart is continually in a state of readiness and is vigilant as one is in a spiritual warfare that is realised the more evil/sin is detected in the world. The born again believers are Sin Busters, exposing lies, darkness, deception and al manner of evil/sin.

Do you believe a Christian is NOT righteous/ justified before God by observing the law/ not committing sin?

 

[The Times]

My friend it is easy to make pat statements.
Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal but rather the poor, lame, blind and beggars. Please just respond yes or no, for that is the literal command of christ
If someone( anyone) asked to borrow money from you would you gladly give it without expecting to get it back?
If someone stole something of yours would you offer them more besides what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?
If you have ever fasted, I hope you were not a hypocrite and told anyone you were fasting but ensured you gave no hint you were.
I can give more examples

One answer for you. Yes, yes and yes, Jesus does it and has done it through me many times and continues to do it. My confidence is in him to see me through establishing his Sola Scripture in my heart of flesh.

Every year, I give money for the purchase of sheep, in a third world country and the contact I have abroad butchers the sheeps and cuts the sheeps into pieces. The meat is taken to church and distributed to the poor, widows and homeless after the Holy Communion.

Is this boasting?

No, because you asked several times, so I finally replied.

Most importantly after I replied, what do you feel in your heart towards me?

It is your actions in putting me in a corner to give an answer, that now places you under the judgement of God. Did you know that the instant you read this reply and reacted to it in your excited heart condition that God knowing your heart, will judge you righteously.

By the way, I don't need to know what entered your heart when hearing about the Holy Works of Jesus through me.

 

[The Times]

Do you believe a Christian is NOT righteous/ justified before God by observing the law/ not committing sin?

One verse.....answers your question...but I am afraid that you may not accept it unless you too are also a recepient of the Word from the Holy mouth of Jesus

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them." (John 14:21)

 

[stuart lawrence]

One answer for you. Yes, yes and yes, Jesus does it and has done it through me many times and continues to do it. My confidence is in him to see me through establishing his Sola Scripture in my heart of flesh.

Every year, I give money for the purchase of sheep, in a third world country and the contact I have abroad butchers the sheeps and cuts the sheeps into pieces. The meat is taken to church and distributed to the poor, widows and homeless after the Holy Communion.

Is this boasting?

No, because you asked several times, so I finally replied.

Most importantly after I replied, what do you feel in your heart towards me?

It is your actions in putting me in a corner to give an answer, that now places you under the judgement of God. Did you know that the instant you read this reply and reacted to it in your excited heart condition that God knowing your heart, will judge you righteously.

By the way, I don't need to know what entered your heart when hearing about the Holy Works of Jesus through me.

According to a previous reply you gave me, you did not state you do not invite friends and family home for a meal but rather the poor lame blind and beggars.
How could I be putting you in a corner if you obeyed each and every literal command if Christ?
You don't if course, but you do quote to others:
If you live near obey my commandments
And you did NOT reply yes or no to each of the four examples I placed before you

 

[The Times]

According to a previous reply you gave me, you did not state you do not invite friends and family home for a meal but rather the poor lame blind and beggars.
How could I be putting you in a corner if you obeyed each and every literal command if Christ?
You don't if course, but you do quote to others:
If you live near obey my commandments
And you did NOT reply yes or no to each of the four examples I placed before you

That is your excited heart speaking.

 

[stuart lawrence]

One verse.....answers your question...but I am afraid that you may not accept it unless you too are also a recepient of the Word from the Holy mouth of Jesus

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them." (John 14:21)

You see my friend, you, who say you believe in sola scripture do not believe the core message of the person who wrote half the books of the NT. As soon as I post verses to you he wrote, you don't respond by saying you agree with them, but simply by quoting other scripture inferring, to say the least we can only be in a saved state/ justified if we obey the law.
I can assure you, I am far more of a sola scripture guy than you are( according to rgs300s definition of it). For I accept the message contained in the letter. You reject the basis of it

 

[stuart lawrence]

One verse.....answers your question...but I am afraid that you may not accept it unless you too are also a recepient of the Word from the Holy mouth of Jesus

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them." (John 14:21)

I will ask you again. Do you believe the Christian is not righteous/ justified before God by observing the law/ not committing sin.

No need to quote scripture, a yes or no will suffice