Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[stuart lawrence]

The totality of scripture taken as whole is (or will be) about, or is, the (good news of) the "gospel of (the) grace" (of God)...

This is why teachers and believer's in law, just don't get it...

God Bless!

Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them

 

[Neogaia777]

Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them

Galatians 2:4-

"Even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there—false ones, really, who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations."

God Bless!

 

[redleghunter]

The Times does. Haven't you read his posts?
He is a huge endorsement of my belief

@The Times, as we say where I live is "tracking like a hound dog."

 

[redleghunter]

If we find unity in the core truth of Christ alone then we can all afford, for a time, to hold some ideas that are not strictly correct and we can, while Loving them deeply from the heart, allow others to do the same while we wait for the Father to reveal all truth in His time.

Bolded above. To what extent?

 

[redleghunter]

Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them

Who is advocating law keeping here?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Who is advocating law keeping here?

Have you heard of John McEnroe?
You cannot be serious

 

[Neogaia777]

Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them

The Law was added to make transgressions manifest and sin abound...

 

[stuart lawrence]

The Law was added to make transgressions manifest and sin abound...

Yep. Once the law was given sin increased rom5:20

 

[redleghunter]

Have you heard if John McEnroe?
You cannot be serious

Stuart I'm reading your responses to others and for some reason scratching my head why you respond the way you do.

IMO you have some set view of some and "go with it" with everyone you reply to. Even folks who seem to be agreeing with you.

Just a loving observation take it for what it is.

 

[The Times]

Why is the power of sin the law?
1cor15:56

The context is the post resurrection sinless state, where...

unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28)

The context of 1 Cor 15:56 is the post resurrection sinless state, after the mortal earthly corruptible body has been laid to rest in the dust of the earth.

Why are sinfull passions aroused in people by the law if they live under it?
Rom7:5

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,

Paul still advocates the Law of Sola Scripture, but applied in the newness of the spirit, the heart of flesh.

and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul states, that he followed the written law extrinsically as to be seen to abide by it, not understanding what its purpose was, because deep down he still lusted and never considered that the internal man is what counts to God.

Paul realised that under the letter of the law he was ignorant of the lusts of the heart and it was when he realised this, that he declared himself dead, because he realised he was condemning himself by virtue of his unclean heart through the very letter of the law that he upheld in high regard as a pharisee.

Paul died to his fleshly carnal ways that he defines as sin, because the lusts of the heart were never considered as part of the equation of sinning.

Rom 7:21 — Rom 7:22
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

 

[stuart lawrence]

Stuart I'm reading your responses to others and for some reason scratching my head why you respond the way you do.

IMO you have some set view of some and "go with it" with everyone you reply to. Even folks who seem to be agreeing with you.

Just a loving observation take it for what it is.

I'm not sure if neogorgia would exactly agree, you could ask him.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The context is the post resurrection sinless state, where...

unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28)

The context of 1 Cor 15:56 is the post resurrection sinless state, after the mortal earthly corruptible body has been laid to rest in the dust of the death.



But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,

Paul still advocates the Law of Sola Scripture, but applied in the newness of the spirit, the heart of flesh.

and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul states, that he followed the written law extrinsically as to be seen to abide by it, not understanding what its purpose was, because deep down he still lusted and never considered that the internal man is what counts to God.

Paul realised that under the letter of the law he was ignorant of the lusts of the heart and it was when he realised this, that he declared himself dead, because he realised he was condemning himself by virtue of his unclean heart through the very letter of the law that upheld in high regard as a pharisee.

Paul died to his fleshly carnal ways that he defines as sin, because the lusts of the heart were never considered as part of the equation of sinning.

Rom 7:21 — Rom 7:22
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Nowhere close in afraid

 

[stuart lawrence]

Nowhere close in afraid

Saul the pharisee was not in a post resurrection sinless state, when, through his knowledge of the comnandment: thou shalt not covet, all manner of concupiscence was aroused in him, for:
The power of sin is the law

 

[stuart lawrence]

The context is the post resurrection sinless state, where...

unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28)

The context of 1 Cor 15:56 is the post resurrection sinless state, after the mortal earthly corruptible body has been laid to rest in the dust of the earth.



But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,

Paul still advocates the Law of Sola Scripture, but applied in the newness of the spirit, the heart of flesh.

and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul states, that he followed the written law extrinsically as to be seen to abide by it, not understanding what its purpose was, because deep down he still lusted and never considered that the internal man is what counts to God.

Paul realised that under the letter of the law he was ignorant of the lusts of the heart and it was when he realised this, that he declared himself dead, because he realised he was condemning himself by virtue of his unclean heart through the very letter of the law that he upheld in high regard as a pharisee.

Paul died to his fleshly carnal ways that he defines as sin, because the lusts of the heart were never considered as part of the equation of sinning.

Rom 7:21 — Rom 7:22
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Concerning rom 7:5

The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin

 

[Neogaia777]

The law was added to make transgressions/violations/sin ""manifest" or known, even to those not committing sin, or for the believer, and to make sin (committing sin) abound, in the non believer...

A knowledge of sin of good and evil, is the first part of the entire story or gospel of God's grace... Were supposed to be killed by law and die to law, as the first part of being born again, by accepting the sinful judgement against us that comes through and by the law...

That's just a first step of phase of the gospel of grace, dying, then being born again, but it is the law of what the brings that is supposed to kill you, then, you rise again...

The judgement against us is that were all sinners...and deserve nothing good... But all equal sinners in God's eyes, so that, then, after this, The judgement also is that all are equal and have equal (access) (to the gifts of) God's Grace, which includes mercy, forgiveness, and love, and "any and all good things", in Christ we are declared deserving of and have a justified right to... And if you fill your life with those good things, sin will have no room...

God Bless!

 

[The Times]

Concerning rom 7:5

The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin

What do you mean, please elaborate.

 

[stuart lawrence]

What do you mean, please elaborate.

If I said to you:
If you think of a pink rabbit God will condemn you to hell, what is the first thought that would come into your head if you believed me?
Consequently
If I said to you:
If you break the TC/ covet, God will condemn you to hell. What would you then start thinking about if you believed me?

 

[Neogaia777]

Concerning rom 7:5

The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin

Could the knowledge of sin do the same...

Sounds like the fear needs to go...

Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death...

God Bless!

 

[The Times]

If I said to you:
If you think of a pink rabbit God will condemn you to hell, what is the first thought that would come into your head if you believed me?
Consequently
If I said to you:
If you break the TC/ covet, God will condemn you to hell. What would you then start thinking about if you believed me?

Fear of not doing those things. And so....... please go on

 

[stuart lawrence]

Fear of not doing those things. And so....... please go on

Let's put it another way.
If you feared hell by breaking commandments, every time a sinfull thought came into your head you would get, nervous, agitated, worked up, overwrought etc.
They are all dictionary definitions of the word excite. So you then, strange as it may seem, get excited when sinfull thoughts come to you. Your fear of the penalty of sin brings you to have emotions that bring you to an excited, or aroused state when you think of breaking Gods laws/ committing sin