Why do animals do suffer?

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So I think I cannot agree with you because god has clearly commanded Adam and Eve to not to eat that fruit which is Satanic influenced and God has given them everything. And Adam and Eve committed sin by disobeying God Commandment. Sin existed in this world as a form of Lucifer who fell down from from heaven. So that sin existed as a form of Lucifer before Adam and Eve were created. Lucifer has cheated Adam and Eve and made them to eat that fruit. It appears that Adam and Eve were innocent but that is not fact, because they consciously knowingly committed sin to to become like God. This is a big sin

I agree but man is saved by Jesus. And animals should also be saved as a result of Jesus crucifixion

But we don't know whether or not animals will be resurrected.

...Another factor to consider regarding whether pets will be heaven is that animals are a part of God’s creative process in Genesis. God created the animals and said they were good (Genesis 1:25). Therefore, there is no reason why there could not be pets / animals on the new earth (Revelation 21:1). There will most definitely be animals during the millennial kingdom (Isaiah 11:6; 65:25). It is impossible to say definitively whether some of these animals might be the pets we had while here on earth. We do know that God is just and that when we get to heaven we will find ourselves in complete agreement with His decision on this issue, whatever it may be.
Do pets / animals go to Heaven? Do pets / animals have souls?
 
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John 11:26
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
So you believe the apostle paul is still alive and walking the earth today or is the verse you quoted speaking of a spiritual reality?
 
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No one if affected more by suffering than God.....He feels every pain and affliction of His creation.
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities"

He experiences everything with us....which why he knows what we need before we ask.

Sometimes these experiences are helpful, and needed....others they happened by chance and need not be blamed on a Golden figure or a satan....And yet other times they are a result of seeds we planted or prayers we prayed unknowingly.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."
 
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So you believe the apostle paul is still alive and walking the earth today or is the verse you quoted speaking of a spiritual reality?
The only reality is spiritual.....High time to move pass believing. Would you like to meet Paul?
 
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Kindly don't think I'm not strong believer of Jesus for these kind of questions

I'm strong in faith but I don't have anyone to ask these questions. That is why I'm asking in this platform

My questions:

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

2. When Lord take care of every creature why do animals suffer

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?

PS: I have posted this thread after seeing an autistic dog which is roaming on street without any purpose..It's going here and there.. My heart is broken after seeing that.. I cried unto God in my prayer to cure that dog
Animals were not created in the image of God. They do not have souls. The fall of man only affects man. Christ came to save all of mankind. The animals do not go to hell. There will probably some in heaven as well.

The bible says that it was appointed unto man once to die.... but not for animals.... who knows, animals may be recycled. There is no scripture to dispute it... However each human lives one life.. then judgement.

Animals cannot sin and for another thing, they do not have the knowledge of good and evil and are, thus, not accountable.

Animals suffer just as humans do. Nature is a harsh world.
 
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David was a non believer?

Acts 2:25-29
A believer of what exactly? When you say "you are a believer" what is it that you believe? and did David believe the same?

Matthew 22:31-33
But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob believers? Are they dead and if so, is your God, their God as well?
 
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A believer of what exactly? When you say "you are a believer" what is it that you believe? and did David believe the same?

Matthew 22:31-33
But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob believers? Are they dead and if so, is your God, their God as well?
All 3 died and were buried. Not believers either?
 
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Sometimes people rate my posts as funny --- posts in which I wasn't trying to be funny. Usually when I discuss Christianity, I'm not trying to be funny. Humor is good in the right setting and also in threads that are meant to be humorous. This isn't meant as a criticism of anyone's reaction, but I want people to know that I'm serious when I ask questions and not trying to be disrespectful.
 
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bangmegafan, Lets take GOD for just what He said. Hell.. was prepared for the devil and his angels never for man PERIOD. So.. yes.. yours mine and all the wild will be saved. God is a God of LIFE not death. This SIN...effects ALL in this world. From the earth to the air.. to man to animals. But rejoice. God loves and saves them.
 
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This book,
THE PROBLEM OF PAIN
by
C. S. LEWIS,

posted by AlexDTX is actually a good read.

(Thanks Alex)

The only author I know of that has addressed this is issue is CS Lewis in his book, "The Problem of Pain" The book addresses pain in the world in general but he spends several chapters asking the same question as to why animals suffer when sin is the fault of mankind. The link to the book is a free online html version of the book.

The Problem of Pain, by C. S. Lewis

Even just the chapter on animal pain:

IX. ANIMAL PAIN

I don't know if the author is correct, but he's smarter than me, and has a comforting theory for those who have lost an animal. He seems to think that the animals that we have had as tame pets could live on through us. Plus the book is free, and that's just my kind of price.

Snip:

"Now it will be seen that, in so far as the tame animal has a real self or personality, it owes this almost entirely to its master. If a good sheepdog seems “almost human” that is because a good shepherd has made it so. I have already noted the mysterious force of the word “in”. I do not take all the senses of it in the New Testament to be identical, so that man is in Christ and Christ in God and the Holy Spirit in the Church and also in the individual believer in exactly the same sense. They may be senses that rhyme or correspond rather than a single sense. I am now going to suggest—though with great readiness to be set right by real theologians—that there may be a sense, corresponding, though not identical, with these, in which those beasts that attain a real self are in their masters. That is to say, you must not think of a beast by itself, and call that a personality and then inquire whether God will raise and bless that. You must take the whole context in which the beast acquires its selfhood—namely “The-goodman-and-the-goodwife-ruling-their-children-and-their-beasts-in-the-good-homestead”. That whole context may be regarded as a “body” in the Pauline (or a closely sub-Pauline) sense; and how much of that “body” may be raised along with the goodman and the goodwife, who can predict? So much, presumably, as is necessary not only for the glory of God and the beatitude of the human pair, but for that particular glory and that particular beatitude which is eternally coloured by that particular terrestrial experience. And in this way it seems to me possible that certain animals may have an immortality, not in themselves, but in the immortality [128] of their masters. And the difficulty about personal identity in a creature barely personal disappears when the creature is thus kept in its proper context. If you ask, concerning an animal thus raised as a member of the whole Body of the homestead, where its personal identity resides, I answer “Where its identity always did reside even in the earthly life—in its relation to the Body and, specially, to the master who is the head of that Body”. In other words, the man will know his dog: the dog will know its master and, in knowing him, will be itself. To ask that it should, in any other way, know itself, is probably to ask for what has no meaning. Animals aren’t like that, and don’t want to be.​

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How can we know it will work out for good?
Scripture tells us how we can know such.

Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
God in the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament, claims he is responsible for good and bad things, sends evil spirits and lying spirits, commands things that benefit the Israelites but cause harm and torture and death to others... it seems like God is less "all-good" and more "morally ambiguous".
I guess you don't agree with the concept of punishment. Understand that God has the right to judge all. Read Romans 9. Fortunately, those that have faith in Jesus as their Savior, God will give us a pass. This is called grace.

BTW, if you are so concerned that the heathen in the OT were unjustly killed when Israel conquered the nations in Palestine, read more of the OT to find out that they were being punished by God for forsaking him, worshiping false gods and many detestable actions.
 
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Ok if animals can't have fruits for their suffering unlike how human can enter into heaven, then why do they suffer unnecessary

If Adam and Eve sin led to animals suffering even after Jesus crucifixion and they can't even enter into heaven , then animals are badly ignored by God. They will only suffer but they don't get any fruits for their suffering as a result of human sin.
This seems to injustice completely
Do you think it just that God died for us?

This age is not about justice or eliminating suffering. Jesus did not come for that purpose. Don't think that is the mission of the church. The mission of the church is to spread God's word to all people and then Jesus will come again to establish the eternal kingdom without suffering.

If you think it terrible that suffering continues in this world, then work to end it by spreading God's word to all people.
 
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Sometimes people rate my posts as funny --- posts in which I wasn't trying to be funny. Usually when I discuss Christianity, I'm not trying to be funny. Humor is good in the right setting and also in threads that are meant to be humorous. This isn't meant as a criticism of anyone's reaction, but I want people to know that I'm serious when I ask questions and not trying to be disrespectful.
You asked a poster when they last went to heaven to viewed the emotional atmosphere present there. Have you experienced the ability to go to heaven, now, and therefore wanted to see if the poster had the experience as well? Or do you believe that heaven is for after death like most people? If the latter, how can your question have been serious?

Also, I did not find it disrespectful, nor did I try to read into what you felt or were trying to make someone else feel. I read words and laughed, so I marked it funny.
 
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logic isn't your friend.
The wisdom of men is foolishness to God. It is a high stone wall....And not one stone will be left upon another before......

I have little desire to prove human intellect....If it cant bring anyone in, It's time for me to be out.
 
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The wisdom of men is foolishness to God. It is a high stone wall....And not one stone will be left upon another before......

I have little desire to prove human intellect....If it cant bring anyone in, It's time for me to be out.
cool story bro, have a good night.
 
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Kindly don't think I'm not strong believer of Jesus for these kind of questions

I'm strong in faith but I don't have anyone to ask these questions. That is why I'm asking in this platform

My questions:

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

2. When Lord take care of every creature why do animals suffer

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?
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PS: I have posted this thread after seeing an autistic dog which is roaming on street without any purpose..It's going here and there.. My heart is broken after seeing that.. I cried unto God in my prayer to cure that dog

I would personally believe that your prayer was answered just as you asked. There are many assurances in the NT that believers' prayers are answered but you have to remain in faith and not be concerned that the answer come on your time schedule. After making your petition known then rejoice that it is already done.
 
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