Why do animals do suffer?

[bangmegafan]

Lucifer was not Satan and never was. Lucifer was just a term for a Babylonian king in a proverb (it even directly stated as such) but people think it's Satan because they just cherrypick verses of Isaiah 14 that they then claim applies to someone it doesn't because what they were led to believe doesn't match contextual reality.

And the serpent in Genesis was never anything more than a serpent. The punishment to slither on the ground would make no sense if it was punishing someone who could shapeshift, but perfect sense if it was just a serpent. It's used as an explanation for why snakes slither on the ground and seem to eat dust (which they don't, they use their tongues to smell). The idea of the serpent being Satan didn't arise until the time of Revelation.

I may agree that Lucifer is not Satan

But that snake cheated Adam and Eve. Cheating is sin. How come sin entered into earth in they case. Sin cannot exist on its own because it should have an origin

For example, we all love because God first loved us

 

[bangmegafan]

The only author I know of that has addressed this is issue is CS Lewis in his book, "The Problem of Pain" The book addresses pain in the world in general but he spends several chapters asking the same question as to why animals suffer when sin is the fault of mankind. The link to the book is a free online html version of the book.

I may not get time to read that book. Kindly let me know what is the conclusions made by author?

 

[bangmegafan]

And the book of Revelation is the Inspired Word of God that reveals the truth about satan..

Revelation 20: KJV
1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. {2} And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

Accept the Word of God..

This is great explanation

 

[bangmegafan]

part of the fall is that all of creation was put under a curse. this includes animals.



because they are part of the creation that came under the curse of the fall.



animals were not made in the image of God. only mankind was. however, there will be animals in heaven just like there will be trees in heaven, but they will be there as simply being part of God's creation and not so much as redeemed souls like humans.

Ok then why do animals suffer just like that? You said it was curse. Jesus died for that only. So why animals still suffer?

 

[CrystalDragon]

Ok then why do animals suffer just like that? You said it was curse. Jesus died for that only. So why animals still suffer?

You could use the sam reasoning for why people still suffer. It seemed that whatever Jesus did, nothing happened after it. Nothing changed. There was no great transformation of things being alright with the world. Everything carried on like no change had happened.

 

[bangmegafan]

You could use the sam reasoning for why people still suffer. It seemed that whatever Jesus did, nothing happened after it. Nothing changed. There was no great transformation of things being alright with the world. Everything carried on like no change had happened.

Humans will have eternity but animals don't have eternity though they suffer like humans

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Ok then why do animals suffer just like that? You said it was curse. Jesus died for that only. So why animals still suffer?

Jesus died for the sins of mankind to reconcile them to God through himself. Believers still die and so do animals.

 

[AlexDTX]

I may not get time to read that book. Kindly let me know what is the conclusions made by author?

His conclusion surprised me. God never intended animals to be wild. All creation was given to Adam for caretaking. Lewis believed that all animals were meant to be in relationship with mankind as the representative of God on Earth. He said that pets are more in the right environment that God intended than wild animals. The problem, of course, is that man does not care for animals but hunts and kills them. Consequently the fear of man is upon all animals. Animals, then, had to resort to an unnatural life which we call wild.

 

[bangmegafan]

Jesus died for the sins of mankind to reconcile them to God through himself. Believers still die and so do animals.

Humans will suffer for first sin, they will go to heaven becasuse Jesus crucified for us?

Then animals will also suffer for our first sin, and they can't go to heaven even though Jesus crucified for us

Not correct and logical too

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Humans will suffer for first sin, they will go to heaven becasuse Jesus crucified for us?

Then animals will also suffer for our first sin, and they can't go to heaven even though Jesus crucified for us

Not correct and logical too

Animals don't go to heaven or hell. They just die and return to dust.

Only mankind was made in God's image.

 

[bangmegafan]

His conclusion surprised me. God never intended animals to be wild. All creation was given to Adam for caretaking. Lewis believed that all animals were meant to be in relationship with mankind as the representative of God on Earth. He said that pets are more in the right environment that God intended than wild animals. The problem, of course, is that man does not care for animals but hunts and kills them. Consequently the fear of man is upon all animals. Animals, then, had to resort to an unnatural life which we call wild.

Thank you and agree
But it didn't answer why animals should suffer, it only explains why animals become wild.

 

[bangmegafan]

Animals don't go to heaven or hell. They just die and return to dust.

Only mankind was made in God's image.

Ok if animals can't have fruits for their suffering unlike how human can enter into heaven, then why do they suffer unnecessary

If Adam and Eve sin led to animals suffering even after Jesus crucifixion and they can't even enter into heaven , then animals are badly ignored by God. They will only suffer but they don't get any fruits for their suffering as a result of human sin.
This seems to injustice completely

 

[disciple1]

Kindly don't think I'm not strong believer of Jesus for these kind of questions

I'm strong in faith but I don't have anyone to ask these questions. That is why I'm asking in this platform

My questions:

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

2. When Lord take care of every creature why do animals suffer

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?

PS: I have posted this thread after seeing an autistic dog which is roaming on street without any purpose..It's going here and there.. My heart is broken after seeing that.. I cried unto God in my prayer to cure that dog

Proverbs chapter 12 verse 10
The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Ok if animals can't have fruits for their suffering unlike how human can enter into heaven, then why do they suffer unnecessary

If Adam and Eve sin led to animals suffering even after Jesus crucifixion and they can't even enter into heaven , then animals are badly ignored by God. They will only suffer but they don't get any fruits for their suffering as a result of human sin.
This seems to injustice completely

Plants suffer to. They don't have souls, don't go to heaven or hell, and are also not made in the image of God.

Creation was made for the benefit of man, not the other way around. When man fell, the thing created for him was cursed.

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] we need to set our affections on things above, and not on things on the earth the scripture concludes (Colossians 3:2): Notwithstanding though scripture does not mention animals in God's heavenly kingdom, yet we must also remember and consider that with God nothing shall be impossible. We simply cannot say what we do not know, but if God can translate us physically into spiritual, He can do that also with whatever He will. Moreover the Lord Jesus mentioned that even the lowliest sparrow in not forgotten saying that "one of then shall not fall on the ground without your Father" (Matthew 10:29) and "not one of them is forgotten before God" (Luke 12:6). To this if they did not matter to be cast away as nothing then Christ would have no reason to speak of them as important?

 

[Halbhh]

Kindly don't think I'm not strong believer of Jesus for these kind of questions

I'm strong in faith but I don't have anyone to ask these questions. That is why I'm asking in this platform

My questions:

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

2. When Lord take care of every creature why do animals suffer

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?

PS: I have posted this thread after seeing an autistic dog which is roaming on street without any purpose..It's going here and there.. My heart is broken after seeing that.. I cried unto God in my prayer to cure that dog

We connect our own enjoying and emotions, our own, onto animals. This isn't bad, it's human.

They have emotions too, but not just like us.

From growing up with 6 kinds of animals including dogs, horses, etc. over years, I did this also for a while, put my own emotions into them in my guessing.

Then gradually I began to notice they don't suffer in a way that is precisely like we do, with our emotions, such as our emotions around death for example. Because they don't understand and know things the exact way we do, their emotions which they do have are not identical to ours. So, they do not suffer like us, to the extent we can.

But less, according to the complexities of their own emotions, less full and diverse than ours. Not zero, but not like ours.

We suffer more. We suffer deeper.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Humans will have eternity but animals don't have eternity though they suffer like humans

If animals don't have eternity then heaven won't be heaven.

 

[Victory-N-Christ]

Kindly don't think I'm not strong believer of Jesus for these kind of questions

I'm strong in faith but I don't have anyone to ask these questions. That is why I'm asking in this platform

My questions:

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

2. When Lord take care of every creature why do animals suffer

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?

PS: I have posted this thread after seeing an autistic dog which is roaming on street without any purpose..It's going here and there.. My heart is broken after seeing that.. I cried unto God in my prayer to cure that dog

Hi. Well certain animals are used for food and clothing. In some countries rat and dog and possibly cat are a part of the diet.
So I just look at it as a necessary "evil" because animals have to suffer in order for us who aren't vegetarian to survive.

 

[bangmegafan]

This video somewhat answered my questions

 

[RaymondG]

Jesus died for the sins of mankind to reconcile them to God through himself. Believers still die and so do animals.

John 11:26
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"