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Correct...........In all points.



The Little Horn is born in Greece and comes to power via the European Union. I have a Blog on that. He is, IMHO, alive today....Let me change that, I was told this in a vision in 1986 as I was being chased by some wicked dudes, all that was said was this: "The Man of Sin is Here" as I was hiding behind a bush with 2 small kids. So I think he is in the world today.

I am responding because you appear as passionate as myself. And I believe you desire as do I to understand.

So lets look at this "Little Horn"(king)

The "little Horn" ACCORDING TO PROPHECY would come out of the 4 HEADS(kingdoms) that arose OUT OF Alexanders Greece BEFORE the 4th Beast(kingdom) arose to #4.

Which was going to be my next "AMAZING COINCIDENCE" FOR Hal A Peno.

Daniel 7:6
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads(kings); and dominion was given to it.

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn(king) that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four(HEADS/kings) stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up(Little Horn/Satan).

Daniel 8 (KJV)

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn(king) was broken; and for it came up four notable ones(kings) toward the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.



Did four kingdoms arise out of Greece after Alexanders death?

Another Amazing Coincidence is; Yes.

After the assassination of Perdiccas in 321 BC, Macedonian unity collapsed, and 40 years of war between "The Successors" (Diadochi) ensued before the Hellenistic world settled into four stable power blocks:
    • the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt
    • the Seleucid Empire in the east
  • the Kingdom of Pergamon in Asia Minor([bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] state of what was left of kingdom of Thrace.
    • Macedon
So our "Little Horn" MUST come out of ONE OF THESE FOUR, or it is NOT the "Little Horn".

Another Amazing Coincidence is that JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF tells HIS CHILDREN that SATAN'S SEAT IS PEGAMOS,; in the kingdom of Pergamon!

Revelation 2 (KJV)
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


So what happened to "Satan's Seat"?
 
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sounds like greece defeating babylon, persia, and media

Amazing Coincidence!

DANIEL 7 TESTIFIED of a SECOND BEAST LIKE A BEAR with THREE RIBS in it's mouth;

ACCORDING TO the TESTIMONY of DOCUMENTED HUMAN HISTORY


Those THREE RIBS were
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  • RIB #1 = MEDIAN KINGDOM
  • RIB #2 = LYDIAN KINGDOM
  • RIB #3 = BABYLON
 
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Amazing Coincidence!

DANIEL 7 TESTIFIED of a SECOND BEAST LIKE A BEAR with THREE RIBS in it's mouth;

ACCORDING TO the TESTIMONY of DOCUMENTED HUMAN HISTORY


Those THREE RIBS were
;
  • RIB #1 = MEDIAN KINGDOM
  • RIB #2 = LYDIAN KINGDOM
  • RIB #3 = BABYLON
thank you for that
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who do you think the second beast is?
 
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You have allowed the "Islamic Angle" or the trend/flavor of the month/day 50 Years etc. etc. to sweep you in, just like the RCC peoples of yesteryear told us that the RCC was the BEAST and that the 10 Kings were Saxons etc. etc.

The Harlot that RODE the Beast (7 Governments/Kingdoms) is not Babylon, she is DESCRIBED as four things....... 1. A Mystery 2. Babylon the Great (Where False Religion Thrived) 3. Mother of Harlots 4. Abominations of the Earth.


In order to correct identify the 7 Heads/Kingdoms

You have to correctly identify the harlot.

I think you are about to hear something most people have never been allowed to hear.
See if this doesn't help!
I suggest you click the wikipedia link


#1
Harlot*FALSE RELIGION" still rides the beast


1.)MYSTERY RELIGION
Mithraism, also known as the Mithraic mysteries, was a mystery religion centred around the god Mithras that was practised in the Roman Empire from about the 1st to the 4th century.

Rituals and worship
According to M. J. Vermaseren, the Mithraic New Year and the birthday of Mithras was on December 25.

Clauss states: "the Mithraic Mysteries had no public ceremonies of its own. The festival of Natalis Invicti, held on 25 December, was a general festival of the Sun, and by no means specific to the Mysteries of Mithras

Mithraism and Christianity
Early Christian apologists noted similarities between Mithraic and Christian rituals, but nonetheless took an extremely negative view of Mithraism:
they interpreted Mithraic rituals as evil copies of Christian ones.

For instance, Tertullian wrote that as a prelude to the Mithraic initiation ceremony, the initiate was given a ritual bath and at the end of the ceremony, received a mark on the forehead.

He described these rites as a diabolical counterfeit of the baptism and chrismation of Christians.
Mithraism - Wikipedia



3.)MOTHER CHURCH OF
HARLOT DAUGHTER CHURCHES
which ALL commit abominations as YOU DEFINED IT(good definition by the way).
 
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thank you for that
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who do you think the second beast is?

ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, the SECOND WORLD SUPERPOWER was the Medes and Persians
Daniel 5
25 And this is the writing that was written, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.

26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.

27 Tekel; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

28 Peres; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.

31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

Daniel 8:20
The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.


The TESTIMONY of "Documented Human History" CONFIRMS this prophecy.
Babylon - Wikipedia
Persia captures Babylon
 
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It seems like a lot, but there are only a handful of issues at hand.

1. is the beast in Revelation 13 a human or an angel.
2. does Abaddon play any role of either being the beast or possessing the beast
3. is Islam the beast, and the Mahdi the Antichrist
4. is Islam the fourth beast, or is the Roman Empire

You have a good grasp on future events.
My instruction was in historical fulfillment of prophecy UPTO THIS TIME.

I am quoting ONLY THE TESTIMONY of SCRIPTURE and "Documented Human History"

YOU both appear to know more than most.

Open your hearts to hear testimony, and see if this does not ring of truth and let many things fall easily and effortlessly into place.

With great love,
Lee

REVELATION 13
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.



What happened to Pergamon?
It did not become important until Lysimachus, King of Thrace, took possession in 301 BC, but soon after his lieutenant Philetaerus enlarged the town, the kingdom of Thrace collapsed and it became the capital of the new kingdom of Pergamon which Philetaerus founded in 281 BC, beginning the Attalid dynasty

When Attalus III (138–133 BC) died without an heir in 133 BC, he bequeathed the whole of Pergamon to Rome in order to prevent a civil war.
Pergamon - Wikipedia


1.) 4th BEAST . . . . A DIVERSE KINGDOM
(World Wide Superpower Religious Kingdom)[1st 3 were political/military]

a.) with 7 Heads(POLITICAL kingdoms) THAT CARRIES(embraces and defends) this HARLOT RELIGION throughout it's existence


2.)10 kings without kingdoms(I.S.I.S.)
Islamic STATE of Iraq Syria
has no legitimate geographical kingdom
Hates the harlot


Great City Babylon

Zechariah 8:3
Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.
City = Mountain
Mountain = Kingdom
Holy Mountain = Holy Kingdom

Great City(mountain) = Great Kingdom
6th HEAD(kingdom) of 7 Headed Beast



4.) Who was the superpower after Greece, and is it continuing to rule it's diverse WORLD WIDE kingdom even now in this day and age?

Who was Satan's Seat given to?

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It IS NOT a CRIME to be deceived!

It IS THE CONDITION ALL human beings are born into
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

DECEIVE
to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid
WHOLE
lacking no part
WORLD
Definition of world
: the earthly state of human existence
: the earth with its inhabitants and all things upon it
: the inhabitants of the earth : the human race


It IS a crime(AGAINST OURSELVES)
to remain in that condition

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Mark 13:6
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:8
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
 
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In Daniel 7:11, it is speaking metaphorically of a kingdom, not of a literally person, because the other beasts were permitted to live for a season.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

I see what seems to be disturbing you on this thought train. God only showed me this about a year ago. We understand this is the Little Horn because it says he Speaks and has Eyes. Then this Beast's body is destroyed and he is cast into the Burning flame just like in Rev. 20:19.

They had a "DIFFERENT" style of writing back then, things didn't seem to flow as well, the Hebrew had very few words, they had no vowels (I think) etc. etc. So when it as translated we have to look at text very carefully.

The verse that speaks about the other Beasts lived on past their times of Dominion is an after thought to the story that was told. The 10 Horns Arise and the Little Horn arises among them, he speaks blasphemies, he is killed at Armageddon and judged immediately, and cast into hell. (The Story is finished BUT and addendum is added, this Last Beast is JUDGED and cast into HELL as soon as he is Destroyed, but Daniel/Gabriel wants us to know that the OTHER BEASTS will not meet the same fate, they will live on after their dominion is taken away. After Jesus comes back and takes control these BEASTS will not live on. Its speaking about the time from when their Dominion was taken away unto Jesus/ return or in Babylons case, until they finally became uninhabited.)

Dan. 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts (The other 4, not the Little Horn), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. (Babylon was lived in by Alexander the Great at his death) Persia is basically Iran. Greece is still around as is Rome. The Little Horn will be cast into Hell, the other LIVED ON for a time/season.

Everyone confuses the Four Beasts and think that's it, but the Little Horn will be a Beast also, 2000 years after Romes ceased being a Beast over Israel in 125 AD.

To me, verse 12 is saying the nations of the other three beasts continue into the millennium, but don't have their own dominion, as they are under the dominion of the Kingdom of God with Jesus ruling over the nations with a rod of iron - that is, they won't be making war, won't be mistreating their citizens, won't be corruption.

The EU, though, Europe under one umbrella European government, isn't going to continue into the millennium.

It really has nothing to do with the 1000 year millennium, its speaking about them ruling after their demise in limited power. For instance Babylon IS NO MORE, so they can't continue into the millennium.

You see, its speaking about Reality, Babylon lived on a little while, Persia is still around, as is Rome and Greece in very limited power (Their Dominions have long since been taken away. )
 
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What it means to me that they are cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's return - they will have already been judged. The lake of fire is not hell. Hell is a temporary place. Hell itself, the place, and death by which people end up there, will both be cast into the lake of fire.
Hades (Grave) and what we call hell is two different things. If you want to say lake of fire, then that's what I mean by hell. So they are JUDGED and cast into the BURNING FIRE of BRIMSTONE (HELL).
in death, I think is meaning in the state of being dead. in hell, is the place of them not saved. It is not necessarily, a place of torment for all there. For example, persons who were righteous, but never had heard the gospel during their lifetimes, would not be suffering torment, such as in the story of Lazurus and the rich man. When death and hell give up the dead - i.e. resurrected for the Great White Throne judgement, that is when it will be determined whether they end up in the lake of fire or not.

Hades is the Grave, but its also sometimes used for the Lake of Fire. Both are DEATHS in a sense, which is why some get confused, many Hebrew words had double meanings. So What I say is hell is the Burning fire. Sometimes hell is translated as Hades (The Grave). Hell can also be a Grave (final resting place so to speak).
 
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I see what seems to be disturbing you on this thought train. God only showed me this about a year ago. We understand this is the Little Horn because it says he Speaks and has Eyes. Then this Beast's body is destroyed and he is cast into the Burning flame just like in Rev. 20:19.

He has EYES OF A MAN, because He IS A MAN,
WITH the NUMBER of a MAN

whom IS ALIVE TODAY
and has been destroying ALL GENERATIONS of the Mighty and Holy people
In the past, BACK TO immediately after Jesus Christ's Sacrifice
Right now
and in the future UP UNTIL Christ's return

Daniel 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 
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Another Amazing Coincidence is that JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF tells HIS CHILDREN that SATAN'S SEAT IS PEGAMOS,; in the kingdom of Pergamon!

Revelation 2 (KJV)
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
So what happened to "Satan's Seat"?

As per Pergamum, the statement by Jesus is very misunderstood. I have watched a couple of detailed videos on this and read plenty, so I am pretty hip on this. Jesus is not speaking about Pergamos being where the Anti-Christ will be born or even a modern day seat of Satan. Jesus was speaking to the Church at that time.

Pergamum was the seat of power under Rome for Asia Minor, the Roman Garrison (Troops) were headquartered there and they built a Temple unto Zeus. (This is all true) This is what Jesus was speaking about, the Temple to Zeus. Now for a history adventure. Zeus who would eventually become Jupiter to the Romans was brought over from Babylon where the God was called Bel.....the Babylonians brought this god forth from the Canaanites who called him.......BAAL !! Zeus is BAAL. Research it some. Anyway that's not the half of it.

A German Scientist in like 1871 unearthed this Temple and did a dig, the Germans wound up taking this Temple piece by piece to Berlin and reassembling it. It is the "Throne of Satan" GOOGLE IT. Hitler had a replica of it built in Nuremberg, that's the place in film where the Allies blow the Nazi sign up in old reels, anyway, he gave many of his "crazed speeches" from the Throne of Satan replica. The original Throne of Satan had a place where an Iron/Cooper Bull was and they created a fire in this Bull and sacrificed people in this Bull, it had nostrils and when people started screaming it sounding like the bull was coming alive.

This is what Jesus was speaking about. Here's a couple of videos in this subject. The actual Throne is in Berlin, see the bottom video. Hitler was CRAZED and speaking from the "Throne of Satan" !!


 
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As per Pergamum, the statement by Jesus is very misunderstood. I have watched a couple of detailed videos on this and read plenty, so I am pretty hip on this. Jesus is not speaking about Pergamos being where the Anti-Christ will be born or even a modern day seat of Satan. Jesus was speaking to the Church at that time.

Pergamum was the seat of power under Rome for Asia Minor, the Roman Garrison (Troops) were headquartered there and they built a Temple unto Zeus. (This is all true) This is what Jesus was speaking about, the Temple to Zeus. Now for a history adventure. Zeus who would eventually become Jupiter to the Romans was brought over from Babylon where the God was called Bel.....the Babylonians brought this god forth from the Canaanites who called him.......BAAL !! Zeus is BAAL. Research it some. Anyway that's not the half of it.

A German Scientist in like 1871 unearthed this Temple and did a dig, the Germans wound up taking this Temple piece by piece to Berlin and reassembling it. It is the "Throne of Satan" GOOGLE IT. Hitler had a replica of it built in Nuremberg, that's the place in film where the Allies blow the Nazi sign up in old reels, anyway, he gave many of his "crazed speeches" from the Throne of Satan replica. The original Throne of Satan had a place where an Iron/Cooper Bull was and they created a fire in this Bull and sacrificed people in this Bull, it had nostrils and when people started screaming it sounding like the bull was coming alive.

This is what Jesus was speaking about. Here's a couple of videos in this subject. The actual Throne is in Berlin, see the bottom video. Hitler was CRAZED and speaking from the "Throne of Satan" !!

IF you want to learn my brother, you have to take off your teacher's hat.

I had to learn that too!

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.



Who produced those videos - Humans?

Quit looking to humans for truth BECAUSE;
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

DECEIVE
to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid
WHOLE
lacking no part
WORLD
Definition of world
: the earthly state of human existence
: the earth with its inhabitants and all things upon it
: the inhabitants of the earth : the human race


You are SOooo close.

Don't be like the world and reject what you seek because you think you already know
 
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I am responding because you appear as passionate as myself. And I believe you desire as do I to understand.

So lets look at this "Little Horn"(king)

The "little Horn" ACCORDING TO PROPHECY would come out of the 4 HEADS(kingdoms) that arose OUT OF Alexanders Greece BEFORE the 4th Beast(kingdom) arose to #4.
But this is why my Blog about the Anti-Christ goes in the direction it does. Think deep my brother and solve the Riddle. Does this Anti-Christ/Little Horn come out of the Grecian lineage or out of the Roman lineage? Daniel ch. 7 says he comes out of the Fourth Beast which is Rome. This confuses some they change everything around to fit the Grecian Formula, because after all they have Four that stood up and this Little Horn is supposed to arise out of their Kingdom in the END TIMES.

Therein lies the Riddle brother. He arises out of BOTH KINGDOMS at once !! But does it fit? Sure it does, Greece is in the European Union !! BOOM. That's what my blog details in depth. Once you understand this the either or confusion is lifted. ITS BOTH.

Prophecy Unveiled: End Time Events Revealed: The Birth Place of the Anti-Christ Revealed

So this Little Horn arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms in the LATTER DAYS (End Times) and he comes up with 10 Horns out of the Fourth Beast which is Rome, but he arises 2000 years after Rome, we know this because he is cast into the Burning Fire when the Judgment seats are set up. (Dan. 7:11).

The Riddle is they must both be true, and thus we have to "Cross Reference" then on a map, and of course Greece is in the European Union. So he is born in Greece of Assyrian (Turkish) parents or Grandparents and he then becomes the President of the European Union. It all FITS.
 
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IF you want to learn my brother, you have to take off your teacher's hat.
These facts are well known brother. I don't just watch videos when I research things. Google Carl Humann German scientist.

The Pergamon Altar is a monumental construction built during the reign of Greek King Eumenes II in the first half of the 2nd century BC on one of the terraces of the acropolis of the ancient Greek city of Pergamon in Asia Minor.

The structure is 35.64 metres wide and 33.4 metres deep; the front stairway alone is almost 20 metres wide. The base is decorated with a frieze in high relief showing the battle between the Giants and the Olympian gods known as the Gigantomachy. There is a second, smaller and less well-preserved high relief frieze on the inner court walls which surround the actual fire altar on the upper level of the structure at the top of the stairs. In a set of consecutive scenes, it depicts events from the life of Telephus, legendary founder of the city of Pergamon and son of the hero Heracles and Auge, one of Tegean king Aleus's daughters.

In 1878, the German engineer Carl Humann began official excavations on the acropolis of Pergamon, an effort that lasted until 1886. The excavation was undertaken in order to rescue the altar friezes and expose the foundation of the edifice. Later, other ancient structures on the acropolis were brought to light. Upon negotiating with the Turkish government (a participant in the excavation), it was agreed that all frieze fragments found at the time would become the property of the Berlin museums.


Karl Humann's 1881 plan of the Pergamon acropolis

In Berlin, Italian restorers reassembled the panels comprising the frieze from the thousands of fragments that had been recovered. In order to display the result and create a context for it, a new museum was erected in 1901 on Berlin's Museum Island.


The Great Altar of Pergamon is considered to be one of the greatest surviving monuments from antiquity. Now located in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin, Germany, the altar is thought by many scholars to be the "throne of Satan," referred to by the prophet John in the Book of Revelations. (Revelation 2:12-13)

Here it is brother.
 
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But this is why my Blog about the Anti-Christ goes in the direction it does. Think deep my brother and solve the Riddle. Does this Anti-Christ/Little Horn come out of the Grecian lineage or out of the Roman lineage? Daniel ch. 7 says he comes out of the Fourth Beast which is Rome. This confuses some they change everything around to fit the Grecian Formula, because after all they have Four that stood up and this Little Horn is supposed to arise out of their Kingdom in the END TIMES.

Therein lies the Riddle brother. He arises out of BOTH KINGDOMS at once !! But does it fit? Sure it does, Greece is in the European Union !! BOOM. That's what my blog details in depth. Once you understand this the either or confusion is lifted. ITS BOTH.

Prophecy Unveiled: End Time Events Revealed: The Birth Place of the Anti-Christ Revealed

So this Little Horn arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms in the LATTER DAYS (End Times) and he comes up with 10 Horns out of the Fourth Beast which is Rome, but he arises 2000 years after Rome, we know this because he is cast into the Burning Fire when the Judgment seats are set up. (Dan. 7:11).

The Riddle is they must both be true, and thus we have to "Cross Reference" then on a map, and of course Greece is in the European Union. So he is born in Greece of Assyrian (Turkish) parents or Grandparents and he then becomes the President of the European Union. It all FITS.

The Scriptures NEVER mention "A" "Anti-Christ".

The Scriptures mention

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


IF there IS a SINGULAR ANTI-CHRIST

What SPIRIT IS anti . . . . .Christ?

Satan? THE EIGHTH?

It is a fairy tale that there will a SINGULAR HUMAN "antiChrist.
 
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Amazing Coincidence!

DANIEL 7 TESTIFIED of a SECOND BEAST LIKE A BEAR with THREE RIBS in it's mouth;

ACCORDING TO the TESTIMONY of DOCUMENTED HUMAN HISTORY


Those THREE RIBS were
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  • RIB #1 = MEDIAN KINGDOM
  • RIB #2 = LYDIAN KINGDOM
  • RIB #3 = BABYLON
This is correct except you have one treatise member wrong. The Pact was between Lydia, Babylon and Egypt. This is a well known historical pact that is in secular books worldwide. Media was a part of the Kingdom, not a conquered foe.

In order to correct identify the 7 Heads/Kingdoms

You have to correctly identify the harlot.

I think you are about to hear something most people have never been allowed to hear.
See if this doesn't help!
I suggest you click the wikipedia link


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Harlot*FALSE RELIGION" still rides the beast

In my Thread on Babylon ..............(Here) Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained

I point out that the Harlot is FALSE RELIGION, except I point out correctly that she is ALL FALSE RELIGION of ALL TIME, not just one false religion. A couple of Excerpts from my thread below

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A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !!

The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION

Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.
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So as you can see, I agree the Harlot is False Religion, but she is All False Religion from the beginning of time. She is Baal, she is the Egyptian Sun god, she is Islam, Witchcraft, Hinduism, Buddhism, and any/all of the thousands of false gods or religions that have been any part of the history of our world. God sees humans worshiping ANY GOD except Him as Harlotry. That's one of the 10 Commandments, Thou shalt have no Gods before me.

He described these rites as a diabolical counterfeit of the baptism and chrismation of Christians.
Mithraism - Wikipedia

3.)MOTHER CHURCH OF
HARLOT DAUGHTER CHURCHES
which ALL commit abominations as YOU DEFINED IT(good definition by the way).

I am not familiar with Mirthraism, I will take a look see at the Wikipedia page, but the principle is understood, everything flows from this "City Babylon" and its debauched religions, of which there was 100's. Of course there were False Religions elsewhere like BAAL, etc. etc. but this Babylon was the place where it flourished.

ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, the SECOND WORLD SUPERPOWER was the Medes and Persians
Yes, but he is never going to agree with you on that.......If he does it will be a miracle. That's a great find, I never used that OBVIOUS SCRIPTURE to combat the ole Media-Persia is not the Second Beast. They really have no out via that scripture, they must agree or come up with a new argument.
 
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He has EYES OF A MAN, because He IS A MAN,
WITH the NUMBER of a MAN

whom IS ALIVE TODAY
and has been destroying ALL GENERATIONS of the Mighty and Holy people
In the past, BACK TO immediately after Jesus Christ's Sacrifice
Right now
and in the future UP UNTIL Christ's return

Daniel 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Yes sir, he is a MAN, that's why Rev. 17:9-10 we see the "Kingdoms" converted to "Kings", or as I like to put it we see God via John "Reducing" as in 10/20, 5/10 to 1/2. That is what those two verses do, they tell us this last BEAST will be a MAN not a Kingdom per se.

Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (Greek word OROS, One who arises above the Plains/KINGS), on which the woman sitteth. (The Harlot/False Religion, is co-mingled with these KINGS and thus she RIDES THE BEAST)

10 And there are seven kings(Reduced to KINGS instead of KINGDOMS): five are fallen, and one is (ROME), and the other is not yet come(Little Horn or Anti-Christ); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (7 Years or so, with him being the BEAST for only 3.5 Years.)

So why did God REDUCE the Kingdoms to KINGS? He wanted us to realize the Last BEAST will be a MAN....a lone MAN, who will both begin the Kingdom and will also FALL unlike all the other BEASTS he will start and end on top, hence he is here but a "Short Time". The Beasts were Kingdoms, God wants us to know this BEAST will be a Man with no successors !!

The Scriptures NEVER mention "A" "Anti-Christ".

The Scriptures mention

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Well they do mention A SINGULAR Anti-Christ in one verse, but your point is taken. But Like I told someone else, it doesn't matter if we call THIS MAN Concrete, as long as we understand who we are speaking about. Point being, we have taken the 10-20 names he is known under, such as the Little Horn, BEAST, Man of Sin, Man of Lawlessness, The Assyrian etc. etc. etc. and we have placed them all under ONE MONIKER on purpose in order to clarify who we as Christians see this man as being, so we use THE ANTI-CHRIST and its justified IMHO, because of ONE VERSE, however, it wouldn't matter, as long as Christendom understands who we are speaking about, its really irrelevant. SEE 1 John 2:18, notice the Holman capitalizes the A in Anti-Christ.

1 John 2:18 (KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist(specific antichrist mentioned....THAT) shall come, even now are there many antichrists (So THAT antichrist is speaking about a SPECIFIC MAN/Singular); whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:18 (HOLMAN) Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard, "Antichrist is coming," even now many antichrists have come. We know from this that it is the last hour.

Notice how Holman GETS IT? The verse is speaking about THAT ANTI-CHRIST, a specific person, not a Spirit that is just against Christ Jesus. Its like saying EVIL is upon the world but "THAT EVIL" (Personification) will come [later].

So I truly think people make way too much of this whole " he is never called the Anti-Christ", because I personally think he is technically called THAT ANTI-CHRIST, and even if he wasn't, it wouldn't matter because the Man of Sin, the Assyrian, the BEAST and the Little Horn are all ANTI-CHRIST in their Nature when mentioned and of course they are all the SAME PERSON. So we unify them under ONE MONIKER.

IF there IS a SINGULAR ANTI-CHRIST

What SPIRIT IS anti . . . . .Christ?

Satan? THE EIGHTH?

It is a fairy tale that there will a SINGULAR HUMAN "antiChrist.


Isn't the Man of Sin/Little Horn/BEAST antichrist? He stands AGAINST CHRIST, of course he does brother. No one ever insists he is the only one who stands against Christ, that's a given.

Apollyon is the 8th. Of course Satan is over him.
 
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This is correct except you have one treatise member wrong. The Pact was between Lydia, Babylon and Egypt. This is a well known historical pact that is in secular books worldwide. Media was a part of the Kingdom, not a conquered foe.



In my Thread on Babylon ..............(Here) Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained

I point out that the Harlot is FALSE RELIGION, except I point out correctly that she is ALL FALSE RELIGION of ALL TIME, not just one false religion. A couple of Excerpts from my thread below

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !!

The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION

Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So as you can see, I agree the Harlot is False Religion, but she is All False Religion from the beginning of time. She is Baal, she is the Egyptian Sun god, she is Islam, Witchcraft, Hinduism, Buddhism, and any/all of the thousands of false gods or religions that have been any part of the history of our world. God sees humans worshiping ANY GOD except Him as Harlotry. That's one of the 10 Commandments, Thou shalt have no Gods before me.



I am not familiar with Mirthraism, I will take a look see at the Wikipedia page, but the principle is understood, everything flows from this "City Babylon" and its debauched religions, of which there was 100's. Of course there were False Religions elsewhere like BAAL, etc. etc. but this Babylon was the place where it flourished.


Yes, but he is never going to agree with you on that.......If he does it will be a miracle. That's a great find, I never used that OBVIOUS SCRIPTURE to combat the ole Media-Persia is not the Second Beast. They really have no out via that scripture, the must agree or come up with a new gimmick.

We need to move backwards for a moment to kindergarten basics, in order to move forward.

I am enjoying this fellowship, more than you can image, but I beg you. Stop locking yourself into what you have learned from the world and trying to build truth onto that. I had to do the same thing, and it is extremely difficult to wring the teachings of men out of our minds.

How do I say this? IF our minds are clogged with earth understanding, there will be NO ROOM or ABILITY for THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH to lead you into ALL TRUTH,

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

You must understand that Lee cannot TEACH anything. I try NOT to teach anything. ONLY the spirit of TRUTH can be trusted for instruction in truth.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Do I exalt myself and my superior understanding as those in the world do, who demand you believe as they believe?

YOU CANNOT TRUST AS TRUTH the TEACHINGS OF DECEIVED MEN found in videos or scholarly reports or even church services.

It is impossible to come to the knowledge of the truth if one bit of falsehood is present in your foundation.

A foundation of lies cannot support the weight of truth.

There is nothing wrong with you. But you sought truth from postings and writings of men which according to scripture have no truth.

I beg you to RENEW YOUR MIND by abandoning teaching of men WHICH APPEAR TO have truth.

Put your own CURRENT understanding to the test and quit referring back to what you have learned from the world and understanding of deceived men. for all are deceived.

I try to point you to the path, and you refer back to the teachings of men.

ALL we can learn from the world is lies and half-truths.

WHOLE WORLD DECEIVED. you have to come to grips with that truth.

But that being said, thank you for correctly identifying the woman of Rev.12 for me.

ISRAEL WAS waiting to be delivered by the man child from the LAW of Moses which only exposed transgression.

What you seek is simpler than you are making it.

The answer lies within modern "Christianity". I cannot say any more than that without being removed from a forum that does not allow disparaging comments regarding the MODERN "Christian" religion.

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Let us move back to some more Amazing Coincidences regarding the "Little Horn", but I am off to work just now.

THANK YOU for this fellowship,
Lee
 
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