How do, or can we, "obey"...?

[Neogaia777]

Some translations render it thus, no idea which version is correct:

The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

Beyond Christ even...?

God Bless!

 

[ladodgers6]

How do, or can we "obey"...?

What is the best most effective way to obey?, and obey what exactly...?

Do we do so by knowing all the time knowing what "not to" do, or not...?

If not, then how does that work or operate...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Thanks for this excellent topic, that is crucial for all Christians. Because Jesus is not only our Savior, but our Lord too!

Savior but not Lord?​

A growing sentiment--and in fact, theological conviction--in some evangelical circles, teaches that it is possible for Jesus to be someone's Savior without also being his or hers Lord. In other words to bow in humility and submission to Jesus Christ. I remember in my church how the pastor would follow up the invitation with the call: 'Many of you have made Jesus your Savior, but you have never made him your Lord. You know heaven is your home, but you are not letting Jesus reign over you. Now is the time to make that commitment.'

My response today to those past experiences is twofold. First, we do not make Jesus either Savior or Lord. He [is] Savior; that is why I am saved. And He [is] Lord. Even if I refuse his gracious offer and go to hell, He [is] still Lord. In fact, Jesus' Lordship is demonstrated by His ultimate triumph--whether I am in heaven or in hell. Second, if you have not confessed Jesus as Lord, heaven is not your home and Jesus is not your Savior; 'If you [will] confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved' (Rom. 10:9).

Of course, just because we acknowledge the Lordship of Christ over us and simply because we have confessed Him as our King does not automatically mean that we will obey His orders at every turn. We do occasionally go our own way--and not without punishment. But we would never consider removing ourselves from the reign of Christ. Jesus Christ is not only our Priest; He is our Prophet and King-- and not merely 'the coming King', but the presently reigning King. The 'Savior' but not Lord' teaching falls seriously short of the fullness of the faith, and its undergirding philosophy is destructive to our progress toward conformity to Christ's image.

Now that I clarified that, I will continue to answer those excellent questions you bought forward. One of the biggest potential stumbling-blocks in our growth and maturity in Christ is the attitude that suggests we can sit back, let the Spirit have His way with us, and presto, we are victorious Christians. In the first place, we are not called into passivity. Nor do we 'let God', or 'let the Spirit' do anything. God does whatever he pleases. 'It is God works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure' (Phil 2:13).

In stead, we must actively search the Scriptures to discover the demands and expectations that God has already revealed. We have clear Laws and direct guidelines for daily living. We are not to sit back and wait for a spiritual wind from heaven. We are simply to apply ourselves, accept and follow the teaching of God's word in the Scriptures.

We must stop making excuses for our disobedience. We are not disobedient because the devil makes us do it, not because the flesh is just too powerful, nor because we are not sufficiently 'filled with the Spirit'. We are disobedient because we put our authority, desires and plans before God's interests. In other words, we do not follow our orders (God's Law for godly living; a guide for Christian living; live a life of gratitude by Loving our Heavenly Father for saving us, and praising His name above all others).

The process of sanctification; can be best defined by one word: obedience. 'Obedience' isn't a difficult word to understand, but it requires us to seek every opportunity to do good, especially to our brother & sister in the Faith. And to be patient and we will yield a harvest of good works, if we do not give up.

We live a life of Grace. Only by Grace are we are saved; furthermore, it is only by Grace that we perform good works. Grace and works are friends, not foes. Grace, in fact, can be said to be the mother of works. Grace undergirds the whole process from conversion to glorification.

Lastly, we can stand firm before God in Christ, and build piety (holiness) toward God, once we know and trust that we are declared perfectly righteous and holy by the person and perfect works of Christ that is imputed to the ungodly through Faith Alone apart from works of the Law.

 

[ladodgers6]

How do, or can we "obey"...?

What is the best most effective way to obey?, and obey what exactly...?

Do we do so by knowing all the time knowing what "not to" do, or not...?

If not, then how does that work or operate...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

God’s law serves at least three purposes, which Calvin wisely expressed. He affirmed that the law first serves as a mirror for us. It reveals the perfect character of God, and in so doing, it exposes our sin. This might be called the schoolmaster function. The law instructs us in our need for God’s grace. It reveals His perfection, and our failure to measure up. It reveals our need for Christ.

The second use is often called the civil use of the law. Here Calvin argued that those outside the kingdom are restrained by the revelation of the law. It doesn’t change the heart of the unregenerate, but it can create a sense of fear. As the civil law reflects God’s revealed law, and with it, civil sanctions, it restrains the wicked.

The third use of the law is likely the most controversial. Calvin argued that the law reveals to us that which is pleasing to God. That is, it tells us what to do. As we obey it we please Him. Some fear that in embracing this third use we muddy up the first use. If we argue with respect to the law, “This you must do” are we not at least obscuring the truth that “This you cannot do.”?

My fear, however, operates in the other direction. If we obscure the third use of the law we obscure the first use of the law. That is, if we are not called and required to follow the commands of God, our failure to do so doesn’t mean we are at enmity with God. The schoolmaster cannot tell us of our need for atonement if we have not failed to do what we are called to do. Secondly, however, without the third use of the law we end up worse off than the heathen. We don’t know what to do. We are left without direction. If we are not called to do what the law of God says, how will we decide what to do?

Some will say, “Let love decide.” Great answer. Trouble is, the Great Commandment, which calls us to love God and our neighbor, is that which binds up all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:40). Which means that “love” is not a new, indistinct, culturally conditioned law, but is instead the law of God. We are not left with what we think love means, by abandoning the law, but are left with what love actually means by keeping the law.

The third use of the law, however, has this other benefit. We could see it as the other side of the second use coin, or as an extension of the third use. The law tells us how to have a good life. It tells us how to be blessed. It tells us how to do what we were made to do. To put it more poetically, the law is the gateway to joy. This is less because, especially for believers, God sends thunderbolts down on us when we disobey Him, or rose petals on us when we obey. It is more because the law is good in itself. Obedience is blessing long before obedience brings blessing. We were made for this.

David certainly needed the law to convict him, to point him to his need for Christ. But he sang, “Oh how I love your law” (Psalm 119:97) for the joy that it brings. God’s law is not a list of pleasures we are not allowed to have, a list of delights we are not allowed to touch. It is instead pleasure and delight. Having been, while yet unbelievers, restrained, having been at our conversion convicted, having been in our walk instructed, may we be in our hearts, as we will be in eternity, ever joyful.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Neogaia777. How do, or can we obey? God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters.
Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells us: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: on these two Commandments, hang all the Law and the Prophets. God is Love and God wants loving men and women. Love God with all our beings, and love our neighbour as we love ourselves: treat everybody we know and meet, treat them as we would love to be treated. Love is very catching, and if we love and care for each other, we are following God`s Commandments.
The Bible tells us: give up all selfish and unloving desires, and wishes. Love and treat all around us like we would be treated. We ask for Love and Joy and Compassion: Matthew 7:to 10: we are told; Ask and you shall receive. Then we thank God and start loving and caring. Love is very catching, and before long we will be as God wants us to be: His Loving sons and daughters. I say this with love, Neogaia. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ. P.S. Ask God for Love, and we will be God`s loving sons and daughters.
God will Bless us greatly.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

that command sounds the exact same as "be perfect because your Father in heaven is perfect."

what is perfection but to be near to God with all we are? because God is far beyond perfect.

1 John 1:8-10.

You are calling God a liar.

 

[Halbhh]

I see what you're saying. Here's my take.

Words can deceive. What we really seek is "understanding". And even more, "spiritual understanding" Knowing the will of God. Our Father is spirit. Jesus taught spirit.

John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Life comes by spirit not flesh.

To know, read through all that gospel of John (and others in time too), from the first verse, and take your time. His words are eternal and will continue in the age to come after heaven and Earth pass away. The Words that lead to Life.

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

 

[Noxot]

1 John 1:8-10.

You are calling God a liar.

you are very confused.

 

[Stefby]

In what way is it wrong? Where does Jesus say that this command has been superseded.
Do you not realise if we could keep this command there would be no need for the 10 commandments or for Jesus's death and resurrection.

That is wrong. From Jesus own mouth the Greatest commandment is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength". It is not to be perfect.

And to answer the OP, God said he would write his law on our hearts. By being sensitive to our hearts and the leading of the Holy Spirit we will be obeying God. We need ot be wary of the flesh though which wants what is contrary to the Spirit.

In what way is it wrong? Where does Jesus say that this command has been superseded.
Do you not realise if we could keep this command there would be no need for the 10 commandments or for Jesus's death and resurrection.

In Matt.22, 34-40, Mark. 12, 28-34 and Luke 10, 25-28 we read "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength". I do not find that this makes the commandments of God in John 3, 23 invalid.
In the Gospel wrote by John, it is a lot about the faith and believe in Jesus and revealing his name, from the beginning to the end. Take a look at theese words:
John 1, 12-13 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
John 20, 30-31 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Acts 4,12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
In the blood of Jesus there is a new covenant. Hebrews 8, 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (is no more, also the temple is gone and the sacrifices too)
By the gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the words; that Christ died for our sins that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures and that he appeared to the apostles and after that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time and now he is sitting by the right hand of the Father.
Yes we could also talk about the flesh and the Holy Spirit, but it is necessary to enter through the narrow door, before talking about anything else.
Jesus came to save us from our sins and to give us eternal life.

 

[FireDragon76]

Obedience is overrated as a Christian virtue.

God doesn't need your obedience. Your neighbor needs Christ-like compassion, however. That requires open hearts and open minds.

 

[Phantasman]

To know, read through all that gospel of John (and others in time too), from the first verse, and take your time. His words are eternal and will continue in the age to come after heaven and Earth pass away. The Words that lead to Life.

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Christs (physical) words were (spiritual) truth. Bread for the mind/spirit. That (truth) is will not pass away.

John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John is my Canon Gospel of choice because it reveals both Gods clearly. The one the Jews followed and the one Christ died to glorify.

 

[MonstersvsMartyrs]

1 John 1:8-10.

You are calling God a liar.

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

[Halbhh]

Christs (physical) words were (spiritual) truth. Bread for the mind/spirit. That (truth) is will not pass away.

John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John is my Canon Gospel of choice because it reveals both Gods clearly. The one the Jews followed and the one Christ died to glorify.

Yes, I also focus often myself on that verse about how the flesh profits nothing (at all), zero. That's such a relevant verse for today.

And the even more profound part -- that His words themselves are Spirit, the essential to us. It's like how in chapter 15 we remain in Him by having His words remain in us.

 

[MonstersvsMartyrs]

Obedience is overrated as a Christian virtue.

God doesn't need your obedience. Your neighbor needs Christ-like compassion, however. That requires open hearts and open minds.

John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commands.

Matthew 5:19

Therefore whomsoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whomsoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 7:21

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of mine Father who is in heaven.


Matthew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of mine Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in thy name, and cast out demons in thy name, and do many mighty works in thy name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, thou workers of lawlessness.’


Matthew 19:17

And he said to him, “Why do thou ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If thou would enter life, keep the commandments.”


Mark 10:19

You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother.’”


Luke 1:6

And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.


Luke 6:46

“Why do thou call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?



Luke 6:47-48

Everyone who comes to me and hears mine words and does them, I will show thou what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.


Luke 8:15

As for that in the good soil, they art those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.


Luke 11:28

But he said, “Blessed rather art those who hear the word of God and keep it!”


John 3:36

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.


John 8:31-32

So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If thou abide in mine word, thou art truly mine disciples, and thou will know the truth, and the truth will set thou free.”


John 8:51

Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps mine word, he will never see death.”


John 13:17

If thou know these things, blessed art thou if thou do them.


John 14:15

“If thou love me, thou will keep mine commandments.


John 14:21

Whoever has mine commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by mine Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”



John 14:23

Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep mine word, and mine Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.


John 14:31

But I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.


John 15:10

If thou keep mine commandments, thou will abide in mine love, just as I have kept mine Father's commandments and abide in his love.


John 15:14

You art mine friends if thou do what I command you.


Acts 5:29

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.


Acts 24:16

So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.


Romans 2:25

For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.


Romans 5:19

For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.


Romans 6:16

Do thou not know that if thou present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, thou art slaves of the one whom thou obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?


Romans 6:17

But thanks be to God, that thou who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which thou were committed,


Romans 13:1-7

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whomsoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers art not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would thou have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and thou will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for thy good. But if thou do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...


1 Corinthians 15:28

When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.


2 Chronicles 31:21

And every work that he undertook in the service of the house of God and in accordance with the law and the commandments, seeking his God, he did with all his heart, and prospered.


Ephesians 2:10

For we art his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.


Ephesians 5:21

Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.


Ephesians 5:22

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.


Ephesians 5:22-2

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.



Ephesians 6:1-3

Children, obey thy parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor thy father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with thou and that thou may live long in the land.”


Ephesians 6:5-9

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.


Romans 13:13

Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.


Romans 13:14

But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.


Colossians 3:18

Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.


2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive thou in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,


1 Timothy 2:11

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.


1 Timothy 6:1

Let all who are under a yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled.


1 Timothy 6:14

To keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,


Titus 2:3-5

Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.


Titus 2:9

Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,


Titus 3:1

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,


Hebrews 5:9

And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,


Hebrews 10:7

Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do thy will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”


1 Corinthians 14:34-35

The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.


Hebrews 11:8-17

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore. ...



Hebrews 13:17

Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.


James 1:22-25

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.


James 2:19

You believe that God is one; thou do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!


James 2:21

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?


James 2:24

You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.


1 Peter 1:14

As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of thy former ignorance,


1 Peter 3:1-7

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...


1 Peter 5:5

Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”


1 John 2:17

And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whomsoever does the will of God abides forever.


1 John 3:22

And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.


1 John 3:24

Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.


1 John 5:3

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments art not burdensome.


2 John 1:6-9

And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as thou have heard from the beginning, so that thou should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that thou may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. whomsoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.


Revelation 12:7-9

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.


Revelation 22:7

“And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Total: 103

 

[Phantasman]

Yes, I also focus often myself on that verse about how the flesh profits nothing (at all), zero. That's such a relevant verse for today.

And the even more profound part -- that His words themselves are Spirit, the essential to us. It's like how in chapter 15 we remain in Him by having His words remain in us.

Yeah. I see it applied so much in religious beliefs where it doesn't belong. And how people view even the Bible and Gospel teachings. People see a man in a robe with a beard. His pictures are everywhere.

 

[Phantasman]

John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commands.

Matthew 5:19

Therefore whomsoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whomsoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 7:21

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of mine Father who is in heaven.


Matthew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of mine Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in thy name, and cast out demons in thy name, and do many mighty works in thy name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, thou workers of lawlessness.’


Matthew 19:17

And he said to him, “Why do thou ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If thou would enter life, keep the commandments.”


Mark 10:19

You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother.’”


Luke 1:6

And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.


Luke 6:46

“Why do thou call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?



Luke 6:47-48

Everyone who comes to me and hears mine words and does them, I will show thou what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.


Luke 8:15

As for that in the good soil, they art those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.


Luke 11:28

But he said, “Blessed rather art those who hear the word of God and keep it!”


John 3:36

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.


John 8:31-32

So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If thou abide in mine word, thou art truly mine disciples, and thou will know the truth, and the truth will set thou free.”


John 8:51

Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps mine word, he will never see death.”


John 13:17

If thou know these things, blessed art thou if thou do them.


John 14:15

“If thou love me, thou will keep mine commandments.


John 14:21

Whoever has mine commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by mine Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”



John 14:23

Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep mine word, and mine Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.


John 14:31

But I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.


John 15:10

If thou keep mine commandments, thou will abide in mine love, just as I have kept mine Father's commandments and abide in his love.


John 15:14

You art mine friends if thou do what I command you.


Acts 5:29

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.


Acts 24:16

So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.


Romans 2:25

For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.


Romans 5:19

For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.


Romans 6:16

Do thou not know that if thou present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, thou art slaves of the one whom thou obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?


Romans 6:17

But thanks be to God, that thou who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which thou were committed,


Romans 13:1-7

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whomsoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers art not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would thou have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and thou will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for thy good. But if thou do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...


1 Corinthians 15:28

When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.


2 Chronicles 31:21

And every work that he undertook in the service of the house of God and in accordance with the law and the commandments, seeking his God, he did with all his heart, and prospered.


Ephesians 2:10

For we art his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.


Ephesians 5:21

Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.


Ephesians 5:22

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.


Ephesians 5:22-2

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.



Ephesians 6:1-3

Children, obey thy parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor thy father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with thou and that thou may live long in the land.”


Ephesians 6:5-9

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.


Romans 13:13

Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.


Romans 13:14

But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.


Colossians 3:18

Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.


2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive thou in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,


1 Timothy 2:11

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.


1 Timothy 6:1

Let all who are under a yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled.


1 Timothy 6:14

To keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,


Titus 2:3-5

Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.


Titus 2:9

Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,


Titus 3:1

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,


Hebrews 5:9

And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,


Hebrews 10:7

Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do thy will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”


1 Corinthians 14:34-35

The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.


Hebrews 11:8-17

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore. ...



Hebrews 13:17

Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.


James 1:22-25

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.


James 2:19

You believe that God is one; thou do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!


James 2:21

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?


James 2:24

You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.


1 Peter 1:14

As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of thy former ignorance,


1 Peter 3:1-7

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...


1 Peter 5:5

Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”


1 John 2:17

And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whomsoever does the will of God abides forever.


1 John 3:22

And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.


1 John 3:24

Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.


1 John 5:3

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments art not burdensome.


2 John 1:6-9

And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as thou have heard from the beginning, so that thou should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that thou may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. whomsoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.


Revelation 12:7-9

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.


Revelation 22:7

“And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Total: 103

I can do without Hebrews and Revelations.

Hebrews:
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Written by a Priest or Pharisee.

 

[MonstersvsMartyrs]

I can do without Hebrews and Revelations.

Hebrews:
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Written by a Priest or Pharisee.

So you just like to pick and choose the Bible passages you like and discard the rest?
What about all the rest of the passages I quoted from Jesus Himself?

 

[Phantasman]

So you just like to pick and choose the Bible passages you like and discard the rest?
What about all the rest of the passages I quoted from Jesus Himself?

Titus and Hebrews are beneficial to the early Priests and no one knows the authors. They are speculative and accepted by the the church (Rome) who created the Bible. Christ said to teach the Gospel, not the Bible. The OT and added books of non Gospel messages are only accepted by those who have faith in the doctrines of men (which Christ told us not to follow).

John:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

What does the Spirit have to this:
Titus:
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,

This IS Orthodoxy created by men.

Compare the Gospel message:
John:
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Now listen to Philip's Gospel and see if it makes sense. The Pharisee's have returned as Priests. It's their system most follow.

For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment.

Titus, as well as Timothy were written after Pauls death and share no info or writings styles of the wonderful Apostle. Don;t take my word for it. Seek and find for yourself.

 

[MonstersvsMartyrs]

Titus and Hebrews are beneficial to the early Priests and no one knows the authors. They are speculative and accepted by the the church (Rome) who created the Bible. Christ said to teach the Gospel, not the Bible. The OT and added books of non Gospel messages are only accepted by those who have faith in the doctrines of men (which Christ told us not to follow).

John:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

What does the Spirit have to this:
Titus:
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,

This IS Orthodoxy created by men.

Compare the Gospel message:
John:
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Now listen to Philip's Gospel and see if it makes sense. The Pharisee's have returned as Priests. It's their system most follow.

For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment.

Titus, as well as Timothy were written after Pauls death and share no info or writings styles of the wonderful Apostle. Don;t take my word for it. Seek and find for yourself.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[disciple1]

How do, or can we "obey"...?

What is the best most effective way to obey?, and obey what exactly...?

Do we do so by knowing all the time knowing what "not to" do, or not...?

If not, then how does that work or operate...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Love.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.



And don't judge anyone in anyway.


James chapter 4 verse 12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor?

 

[Halbhh]

Love.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.



And don't judge anyone in anyway.


James chapter 4 verse 12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor?

Nice examples of how the epistles echo and elaborate on Christ's commands to us.