[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[listed]

As I haven't read through the rest of this thread, somebody may have already pointed this out, but we also have Jeremiah 31:31-34 which basically says the same thing.

Jeremiah 31:31 ESV "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Would you care to offer your commentary on verse 32 quoted above?

 

[listed]

Obedience to what?

Jesus

 

[CDF47]

That's exactly the reason I no longer attend many religious activities.

I'm at the point where I left the RCC church after 35 years and then stopped Bible study after 1 1/2 years with the SDA. I am still looking for a church but in the mean time I am holding church and Bible study at my house until or if I find a church to attend.

 

[CDF47]

How many commandments are in Exodus 20?

The Ten Commandments are in there and there were 613 laws in the OT.

 

[stuart lawrence]

To get the truth of Sabbath observance. It is something I want to deeply understand. I believe it is an important topic.

When you really think about it, what matters most to God? That you love him with all your heart, that you give him heartfelt praise and thanks for what he did by sending his son to die for you. Would God, greatly be concerned as to which day you gave that heartfelt praise and worship? Or, would be just be glad he received it?
If you set aside a day of the week, to meditate on what God has done for you, what would really matter most to God? The particular day you set aside? Or the fact you wanted to spend time in his presence reflecting on his great love for you, in sending his son to die for you?
Wasn't the problem of the Pharisees, rigidly sticking to the letter if the law, without the heart of the law in their life?

 

[CDF47]

When you really think about it, what matters most to God? That you love him with all your heart, that you give him heartfelt praise and thanks for what he did by sending his son to die for you. Would God, greatly be concerned as to which day you gave that heartfelt praise and worship? Or, would be just be glad he received it?
If you set aside a day of the week, to meditate on what God has done for you, what would really matter most to God? The particular day you set aside? Or the fact you wanted to spend time in his presence reflecting on his great love for you, in sending his son to die for you?
Wasn't the problem of the Pharisees, rigidly sticking to the letter if the law, without the heart of the law in their life?

This is true but there is still a day of worship for most is on Sunday which I think should be Saturday based on Daniel's prophecy as another indicator. I worship the Lord on a daily and sometimes hourly basis. However, the Sabbath is still a great thing. It is a day of rest from labor for God's people if not taken to extreme interpretation of not being able to start a car or turn on a stove which I understand is Biblical but we live under different times which needs to be considered.

 

[stuart lawrence]

This is true but there is still a day of worship for most is on Sunday which I think should be Saturday based on Daniel's prophecy as another indicator. I worship the Lord on a daily and sometimes hourly basis. However, the Sabbath is still a great thing. It is a day of rest from labor for God's people if not taken to extreme interpretation of not being able to start a car or turn on a stove which I understand is Biblical but we live under different times which needs to be considered.

I have no problem with you observing a set Saturday sabbath, it is your absolute right to do so. I just don't believe the omnipotent God, in truth holds one day over another when it comes to him wanting our heartfelt praise, worship, thanks and meditation. He just wants it from hearts that love him. And he will equally accept such praise, worship and meditation on any of the Severn days. In my view

 

[stuart lawrence]

To put it another way. To look to the literal letter of a law and decide because of that I must more meditate on God one day over another, would seem a barrier to me to a truly loving relationship with God.
In my view the NC changed everything. The Holy Spirit dwells in the believer, we have been born again. The holy Spirit circumcises our hearts, not the written code( rom2:29)
Praise, worship and thanksgiving to God should well up.in us constantly, as we constantly consider all he has done for us. I just couldn't personally imagine a christianity where I had to focus on doing this one day over another. Loving someone brings equal emotions and gratitude to them equally over all seven days, not one day over another. In my view

 

[CDF47]

To put it another way. To look to the literal letter of a law and decide because of that I must more meditate on God one day over another, would seem a barrier to me to a truly loving relationship with God.
In my view the NC changed everything. The Holy Spirit dwells in the believer, we have been born again. The holy Spirit circumcises our hearts, not the written code( rom2:29)
Praise, worship and thanksgiving to God should well up.in us constantly, as we constantly consider all he has done for us. I just couldn't personally imagine a christianity where I had to focus on doing this one day over another. Loving someone brings equal emotions and gratitude to them equally over all seven days, not one day over another. In my view

Yeah, that does make sense to me as well.

 

[Steve Petersen]

No idea why you'd think so.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.

 

[Bob S]

I feel like the Lord intended worship to remain on Saturday and the enemy purposely changed it to Sunday for many. I think this is what Daniel meant when he said they will think to change the times and laws. I think worship is best on Saturday in my opinion.

You are taking the word of some Catholic cleric and those who thump the Sabbath. If you go back in History you will find that Christians started worshiping on Sunday long before there was a Catholic church.

There is no command for gentiles that became Christians to worship on any day. Sabbath observance is the selling card of the churches that sponsor it. It has nothing to do with salvation even though some make it appear that you will be lost if you ignore their selling card. Jesus came and fulfilled the law. I wonder just how He feels when He sees those that try to mimic the laws He fulfilled? The prophet of the SDAs goes so far as to tell us the following" It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

I feel like the Lord intended worship to remain on Saturday and the enemy purposely changed it to Sunday for many. I think this is what Daniel meant when he said they will think to change the times and laws. I think worship is best on Saturday in my opinion.

All I can say is where there is no law there is no sin. Gentiles have never been under the laws given to Israel. Christians have never ever been asked to observe days given only to Israel. We are free in Christ as He would have us be. Since there is no day command why do something that is so restrictive? I know what it is like to be observant. I tried it for almost 40 years. I couldn't attend Alumni , visit "worldly friends", do recreational things that I didn't get to do during the week because of my work. Same thing with the kids, School all week and restricted on the Sabbath. My wife was burdened trying to get everything done like meals and cleaning before Sabbath. By the time Sabbath hours came all she wanted to do is sleep after going to church for 3 hours. I hear SDAs saying happy Sabbath and I cringe. Many times it just was not cracked up like others told us it should be. The church would have Sabbath potlucks in a park, but we were told it would not be right to have picnics on Sabbath with our extended family or friends. It all stemmed from the writings of their false prophet, Ellen White. One of the 28 fundamental doctrines that we had to agree to before we could join the church was our belief that Ellen White was a true prophet and her council was equal to scripture. I could write a book. OY!

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Then do you oppose James 2... 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"???

This may refer to love God and neighbor. I rest on the Sabbath and keep it holy to the best of my ability and I try not to spend any money but I am not certain that it is still a must based on other verses in the Bible from Paul.

Eph 6:2 "honor your father and mother ..for this is the FIRST Commandment with a promise" -- first commandment in what "still-valid" unit of Law"??


Notice how James fully accepts the same point.

8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

Paul does not limit himself to "love your neighbor" --

7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

These overt appeals to the Ten Commandments in scripture - by the NT authors is fully admitted to - by even pro-Sunday scholars.

as we have seen here --

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

[BobRyan]

When I was 17 I used God's name in vain in an argument with my mom (I hardly ever did that, especially in talking to me mother) and lightning came down, struck the tree in front of our house, and crushed part of the roof of my car within 1 second of me saying it. That Commandment still applies and I have repented since.

Pretty impressive.

 

[CDF47]

You are taking the word of some Catholic cleric and those who thump the Sabbath. If you go back in History you will find that Christians started worshiping on Sunday long before there was a Catholic church.

There is no command for gentiles that became Christians to worship on any day. Sabbath observance is the selling card of the churches that sponsor it. It has nothing to do with salvation even though some make it appear that you will be lost if you ignore their selling card. Jesus came and fulfilled the law. I wonder just how He feels when He sees those that try to mimic the laws He fulfilled? The prophet of the SDAs goes so far as to tell us the following" It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}



All I can say is where there is no law there is no sin. Gentiles have never been under the laws given to Israel. Christians have never ever been asked to observe days given only to Israel. We are free in Christ as He would have us be. Since there is no day command why do something that is so restrictive? I know what it is like to be observant. I tried it for almost 40 years. I couldn't attend Alumni , visit "worldly friends", do recreational things that I didn't get to do during the week because of my work. Same thing with the kids, School all week and restricted on the Sabbath. My wife was burdened trying to get everything done like meals and cleaning before Sabbath. By the time Sabbath hours came all she wanted to do is sleep after going to church for 3 hours. I hear SDAs saying happy Sabbath and I cringe. Many times it just was not cracked up like others told us it should be. The church would have Sabbath potlucks in a park, but we were told it would not be right to have picnics on Sabbath with our extended family or friends. It all stemmed from the writings of their false prophet, Ellen White. One of the 28 fundamental doctrines that we had to agree to before we could join the church was our belief that Ellen White was a true prophet and her council was equal to scripture. I could write a book. OY!

I agree Ellen White was a false prophetess, hence, the Egyptian obelisk she has on her tombstone. I know there are many other things regarding SDA I could go on a while as well.

Sabbath day can be a good day of rest although it can be restrictive at times. Still trying to figure out what Daniel meant by changing laws and times though because that did make sense what SDA taught.

 

[CDF47]

Pretty impressive.

It was a shock. I will never forget that story because I was breaking two commandments by dishonoring my mother in an argument and then used the Lord's name in vain which I hardly ever do. Never made that mistake again.

 

[BobRyan]

Sabbath day can be a good day of rest although it can be restrictive at times. Still trying to figure out what Daniel meant by changing laws and times though because that did make sense what SDA taught.

Mark 7:6-13 comes to mind.

” 6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 

[bugkiller]

You are taking the word of some Catholic cleric and those who thump the Sabbath. If you go back in History you will find that Christians started worshiping on Sunday long before there was a Catholic church.

There is no command for gentiles that became Christians to worship on any day. Sabbath observance is the selling card of the churches that sponsor it. It has nothing to do with salvation even though some make it appear that you will be lost if you ignore their selling card. Jesus came and fulfilled the law. I wonder just how He feels when He sees those that try to mimic the laws He fulfilled? The prophet of the SDAs goes so far as to tell us the following" It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}



All I can say is where there is no law there is no sin. Gentiles have never been under the laws given to Israel. Christians have never ever been asked to observe days given only to Israel. We are free in Christ as He would have us be. Since there is no day command why do something that is so restrictive? I know what it is like to be observant. I tried it for almost 40 years. I couldn't attend Alumni , visit "worldly friends", do recreational things that I didn't get to do during the week because of my work. Same thing with the kids, School all week and restricted on the Sabbath. My wife was burdened trying to get everything done like meals and cleaning before Sabbath. By the time Sabbath hours came all she wanted to do is sleep after going to church for 3 hours. I hear SDAs saying happy Sabbath and I cringe. Many times it just was not cracked up like others told us it should be. The church would have Sabbath potlucks in a park, but we were told it would not be right to have picnics on Sabbath with our extended family or friends. It all stemmed from the writings of their false prophet, Ellen White. One of the 28 fundamental doctrines that we had to agree to before we could join the church was our belief that Ellen White was a true prophet and her council was equal to scripture. I could write a book. OY!

Interesting to say the least.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I'm at the point where I left the RCC church after 35 years and then stopped Bible study after 1 1/2 years with the SDA. I am still looking for a church but in the mean time I am holding church and Bible study at my house until or if I find a church to attend.

I am interested. Where are you looking?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

When you really think about it, what matters most to God? That you love him with all your heart, that you give him heartfelt praise and thanks for what he did by sending his son to die for you. Would God, greatly be concerned as to which day you gave that heartfelt praise and worship? Or, would be just be glad he received it?
If you set aside a day of the week, to meditate on what God has done for you, what would really matter most to God? The particular day you set aside? Or the fact you wanted to spend time in his presence reflecting on his great love for you, in sending his son to die for you?
Wasn't the problem of the Pharisees, rigidly sticking to the letter if the law, without the heart of the law in their life?

Nice point about what would matter to God.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

This is true but there is still a day of worship for most is on Sunday which I think should be Saturday based on Daniel's prophecy as another indicator. I worship the Lord on a daily and sometimes hourly basis. However, the Sabbath is still a great thing. It is a day of rest from labor for God's people if not taken to extreme interpretation of not being able to start a car or turn on a stove which I understand is Biblical but we live under different times which needs to be considered.

No problem we can just change the law to something we like.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.

So did Enoch and Abraham. King David was called righteous. Now what?

bugkiller