Karl.C
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Did Bilbo the Hobbit actually exist? Jesus told a tale and populated it with appropriate characters. From the text, the one unnamed is obviously a Sadducee!No reason to give names (Lazarus, Abraham) if they did not literally exist. THe fact names were given gives implication they actually existed.
Many scholars have suggested that the reason the guy wasn't named was because at the time he was still alive, and Jesus was predicting his fate. Imo, that is possible but unsupportable. Imo, better read what is written and not add to it.
Standard Jewish imagery in Jesus' time, What you are missing is that Abraham, Lazerus & the Rich Man were all in Hades/Sheol with only the gulf/chasm/abyss seperating them.Jesus speaks of a gulf that is fixed with no crossing over....
I have no idea. Ask Robertson & Bruce! I'd presume they are interpreting/parroting Jewish thought on the subject. Logic dictates that the righteous & unrighteous are and will be permanently seperated.A. T. Robertson “permanent chasm” 1931. Word Pictures in the New Testament. Vol. 2. Nashville, TN: Broadman.
A. B. Bruce said the “location is fixed and final” 1956. The Expositor’s Greek Testament. Vol. 1. W. Robertson Nicoll, ed. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
Why the need for permanency if it is not permanent? What difference does the point make in there never being any crossing the fixed gulf if only temporary?
Whenever Jesus used the imagery of fire it was either a cleansing agent (the crucible idea) or rent to dust/oblivion. The fire itself is eternal as would be the torment but the occupants vary (think refueling). That is the scriptural position, not the dogmatic position.The context does not speak about how large the "flame" is. Jesus commonly used the term "fire" in referencing eternal torment. I do not see that torment in hell is a literal fire but the term fire is used to give man some semblance of understanding of what the torment will be like.
But according to the text the Rich Man perceived it would relieve his torment.Nothing is said about a drop of water ending his torment.
? Whilst the tale is silent on the extent and duration of "his suffering", there is indication of its severity/intensity, which I estimate to be mild.I do find it interesting you say Jesus is speaking a "tale" when you post "when the tale is silent on the extent or duration of his suffering..'
In the ANF (pre-Nicea fathers) it was reasoned that God being just would allocate punishment in degrees in proportion to someone's transgression. The idea of one shoe fits all was totally rejected by most...
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