[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[stuart lawrence]

God would not abolish the fact he wants you to love him with all your heart, not steal, murder, bear false witness, covet. He put that law in your heart, so in your heart you want to obey it. But it isn't a law of righteousness.
The law comes in two parts, the law itself that should be followed and the penalty for transgressing it. Christ paid the believers penalty

 

[CDF47]

God would not abolish the fact he wants you to love him with all your heart, not steal, murder, bear false witness, covet. He put that law in your heart, so in your heart you want to obey it. But it isn't a law of righteousness.
The law comes in two parts, the law itself that should be followed and the penalty for transgressing it. Christ paid the believers penalty

I agree. I should create a new poll asking if Christians must observe the Sabbath day, in which case, I would vote No to that question. A week ago I may have said yes to this question but based on discussions in two different forums I feel the answer is No. See views can change during a debate, especially when prayer is involved.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Yes and their righteousness was self righteousness.

Were you referring to Noah?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I agree. I should create a new poll asking if Christians must observe the Sabbath day, in which case, I would vote No to that question. A week ago I may have said yes to this question but based on discussions in two different forums I feel the answer is No. See views can change during a debate, especially when prayer is involved.

You are a remarkable person who partakes of theological debate on the internet. In ten years on various websites such as this, you are the first person I have read that has admitted to a change of mind during debate.
One man on another website stated:
Participants of debates rarely, if ever change their minds, the silent observers of debates may be more prone to.
God bless

 

[CDF47]

You are a remarkable person who partakes of theological debate on the internet. In ten years on various websites such as this, you are the first person I have read that has admitted to a change of mind during debate.
One man on another website stated:
Participants of debates rarely, if ever change their minds, the silent observers of debates may be more prone to.
God bless

Thank you.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Thank you.

BTW
I changed my mind about something once too!
I used to believe the entire law got abolished. A pentecostal was aghast! He told me it was blasphemy to believe that( in his view) The law of righteousness got removed, not the entire law.
I went away and thought about it and reconsidered my opinion.

 

[Dkh587]

I agree. I should create a new poll asking if Christians must observe the Sabbath day, in which case, I would vote No to that question. A week ago I may have said yes to this question but based on discussions in two different forums I feel the answer is No. See views can change during a debate, especially when prayer is involved.

What makes you think followers of Christ should reject God's command to remember & keep the Sabbath?

Did Christ or the Apostles teach that? If so, where?

 

[stuart lawrence]

What makes you think followers of Christ should reject God's command to remember & keep the Sabbath?

Did Christ or the Apostles teach that? If so, where?

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

 

[CDF47]

BTW
I changed my mind about something once too!
I used to believe the entire law got abolished. A pentecostal was aghast! He told me it was blasphemy to believe that( in his view) The law of righteousness got removed, not the entire law.
I went away and thought about it and reconsidered my opinion.

Yeah, it happens. There are lurkers here too so their opinions could be swayed one way or the other like we discussed.

 

[CDF47]

What makes you think followers of Christ should reject God's command to remember & keep the Sabbath?

Did Christ or the Apostles teach that? If so, where?

I didn't say they should reject it. I said it is not a must. I voted people should keep the Sabbath day holy and rest. I rest on the Sabbath day and keep it holy the best I can. I try not to spend any money which forces others to work,...

 

[Dkh587]

I didn't say they should reject it. I said it is not a must. I voted people should keep the Sabbath day holy and rest. I rest on the Sabbath day and keep it holy the best I can. I try not to spend any money which forces others to work,...

Gotcha. Well, that's actually a great thing. It's good to see others keeping Sabbath


Shabbat shalom to you & everyone in here

Exodus 20

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of יהוה thy God:
In it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days יהוה made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore יהוה blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[CDF47]

Gotcha. Well, that's actually a great thing. It's good to see others keeping Sabbath


Shabbat shalom to you & everyone in here

Exodus 20

Shabbat Shalom!

 

[Bob S]

The Sabbath was given to Israel exclusively. It was not part of the plan of salvation. It was given for the Israelites to remember their release from bondage Deut 5:12 and remembrance of creation. Ex20:8. The whole law had nothing to do with salvation, Ex 19:5-6 so why does anyone think we are obligated to observe a day dedicated to only one nation, Israel, which is, in the Biblical sense, not in existence. 2Cor 3:7-11 tells us that the 10 commandments were temporary commands. Wouldn't that include the 4th one? The 10 were the guide for Israel. The Holy Spirit is the guide for Christians. The Holy Spirit has never pricked my mind to observe any day. If He, the Holy Spirit, was doing that Christians would be flocking to Sabbath observing churches. As it is Sabbath observing churches are spending millions trying to persuade people to join their ranks. Very few accept their pleading which further makes me believe the Holy Spirit is not urging man to observe a day. Keeping days is not part of the plan of salvation

 

[CDF47]

The Sabbath was given to Israel exclusively. It was not part of the plan of salvation. It was given for the Israelites to remember their release from bondage Deut 5:12 and remembrance of creation. Ex20:8. The whole law had nothing to do with salvation, Ex 19:5-6 so why does anyone think we are obligated to observe a day dedicated to only one nation, Israel, which is, in the Biblical sense, not in existence. 2Cor 3:7-11 tells us that the 10 commandments were temporary commands. Wouldn't that include the 4th one? The 10 were the guide for Israel. The Holy Spirit is the guide for Christians. The Holy Spirit has never pricked my mind to observe any day. If He, the Holy Spirit, was doing that Christians would be flocking to Sabbath observing churches. As it is Sabbath observing churches are spending millions trying to persuade people to join their ranks. Very few accept their pleading which further makes me believe the Holy Spirit is not urging man to observe a day. Keeping days is not part of the plan of salvation

Some good points but we are free to observe the Sabbath as Paul said one day is more important to some and to some every day is important,...

 

[Bob S]

Some good points but we are free to observe the Sabbath as Paul said one day is more important to some and to some every day is important,...

Aabsolutely, yes. The new covenant to me commands that we assemble.
Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Those who believe we must be Sabbath observant do not have a good grasp on the covenants. The old covenant was about making Israel a great and Holy nation. Ex 19:5-6 The new covenant is about making you and me presentable for our Heavenly home. The old covenant was for Israel exclusively. The new covenant is for all mankind.

 

[Oakar Zbiczynski]

The Shabbat was made for us.
God made the Shabbat as a resting day for all humanity.
We should rest on Shabbat (Saturday).
The Roman Catholic Church has changed the day of Shabbat
from Saturday to Sunday
here is a video of a Catholic Bishop who says what they did.

 

[Bob S]

Who really cares what the Catholic church proclaimed. I will stick to scripture for my belief system. My Bible tells me that the 10 commandments of the old covenant were temporary commands. They do not pertain to Christians. The Sabbath command was part of the 10 commandments that Paul wrote were only temporary and have faded away. My guide is the Holy Spirit and He has never prompted me to observe any day. 2Cor3:7-11

Col 2:16-17 ells us the Sabbath is a shadow and the reality is Jesus Christ. I, for one do not worship shadows. Shadows will not save me. I rely on the word of scripture to know that I am doing is the truth. This is how we KNOW we belong to the truth........believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. 1Jn3

 

[Bob S]

Jesus fulfilled the Law, something that man could not accomplish. He told us that not one jot or one tittle would pass from the law until all was accomplished. Did Jesus leave this Earth with only part of what He came to accomplish? I would say no, He accomplished everything He came to do. Paul tells us the Law has past. No longer are the Israelites under the old covenant. Of course they do not believe Jesus, but I do and I am going to follow Him not some well meaning people that would put me back under the old covenant laws. Jesus must feel bad. He gave us something wonderful and some still want to go back under the law of death.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The plan of salvation never ceases to amaze me.
Man has a sin problem, and he cant, left to himself sort it out. He can't be good enough for God, no matter how hard he may try. The pristene/ perfect standard the law sets is beyond man to achieve, hence, the letter kills.
So God sent his son to die for man's sins/ his failure to meet Gods perfect standard. Christ paid the penalty due to us for our shortcomings.
But this plan of salvation could not solely stand on Christ dying for us. If it did, why would we not have a licence to sin? Jesus paid our penalty, so what is to stop us abusing that fact whenever we want?
God had to add something to the covenant to cut out a licence to sin by Christ dying for us.
Therefore, God transferred his good and holy laws from an external law written on tablets of stone, to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts( 2cor3:3) The law isn't placed there in order for you to follow it so you may be righteous before God. Righteousness of observing the law ended at Calvary. The system of law in that regard has been abolished. So why did God place the law in your heart he desires you to follow? Simply put, you want to obey what is in your heart. In your heart you do not want to steal, lie, covet, commit adultery etc. In this sense you have been born again, you are a changed person, someone who desires to live as God wants you to live, and not someone who desires to just do what you want.
But though you were born again in your heart, you weren't in your flesh. And at times, for none are perfect we give into the flesh, rather than doing what our born again nature wants us to do. What is the result? Our consciences are seered, for we are going against what is in our heart. And we will have no rest and no peace until we come before our father in heaven and repent of our folly. We don't repent because we are afraid of being cast into hell if we don't, God loves us, we have a saviour. We repent because we love God and want our peace back, healthy relationship restored.
It is utterly impossible for the born again Christian to happily sin as much as they want in view of Christ dying to remove a righteousness of observing the law. God made sure of that.
So the new covenant stands on two core principals. You only get the second because the first has taken place:

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
Then he ADDS
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

 

[DarylFawcett]

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
THEN HE ADDS
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

As I haven't read through the rest of this thread, somebody may have already pointed this out, but we also have Jeremiah 31:31-34 which basically says the same thing.

Jeremiah 31:31 ESV "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."