[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[stuart lawrence]

Sin is the transgression of the law 1john3:4

Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin. If you fail to observe the law you do commit sin:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

Therefore, if you are not declared righteous/ justified before God by observing the law, how can your judgement be based on you observing the law?

 

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If I click reply how can I cancel it? I'm on iPhone and there's no option to cancel a reply once you've clicked it. I've tried closing the page and nothing works.

Do a dot post if you can edit.

 

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Why can't Sunday be the sabbath?

Why can't a bulldozer be a car?

 

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It is the day the LORD rested from creation, the 7th day. God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger.

Do you have a point?

 

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The principles of the things you mentioned are found in the Law. This is the point of Jesus' summary about loving God and loving your neighbor. He captured the principles of the Law and upheld them. He quotes the Law to make his point.

Where does Jesus require keeping the law for salvation or any other reason?

 

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But gentiles do have the law, it is written in their mind and placed on their heart. However, they also have a saviour from their transgressions of the law/ their sin, hence they are not righteous by observing the law. And If you observe the law you do not commit sin:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

If the Christian is not righteous by observing the law, they cannot be unrighteous for failing to observe it

Good point!

 

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The law comes in two parts. The law itself that must be obeyed, and the attached penalty for disobedience. The law itself was not abolished, the penalty was for the believer. Therefore no law of righteousness exists for the Christian. Simply put, in the Christians heart they don't want to steal, kill, commit adultery, bear false witness etc.
The law got transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts( 2cor3:3) It is no longer an external law but internal to the believer. Because the believer in their heart wants to obey God( for that is where the law has been placed) tbey have a saviour from their sin. For Christ will be no ones saviour from sin unless they in their heart want to live as his father desires them to
Note the order in the following:

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts( you have been born again)
THEN HE ADDS
There sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more( you have a saviour from your sins)
Heb 10:16&17

This has nothing to do with covenant law issued at Sinai.

 

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Yet over and over again in the OT we find the term 'righteous' being used of different people. Maybe the Christian definition of 'righteous' is overly strict.

Yes and their righteousness was self righteousness.

 

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God would consider people righteous under the OC. But no one was truly righteous, for that would have required faultless obedience to the law. Hence:
Do not being your servant into judgement, for no one living is righteous before you
Psalms143:2

The righteousness the Christian has isn't the righteousness found or proved by/in the law.

 

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Many denominations erroneously call Sunday, the Sabbath. Not.

True and is partially why we have a problem.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The righteousness the Christian has isn't the righteousness found or proved by/in the law.

Yes, the Christians righteousness is faith in Christ( rom3:22)

 

[CDF47]

Some today say, as soon as you become a Christian all sin can and MUST immediatley cease. That is not the true spiritual message of starting out in the Christian path:

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are sinners, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17

No licence to sin of course, for the law is in your heart

That's right, it usually takes time to improve in righteousness and even then no one is perfect but Christ himself.

 

[CDF47]

Where does Jesus require keeping the law for salvation or any other reason?

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[stuart lawrence]

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Which covenant was in operation at the time?.
The young man responded that he had kept all the commandments since his youth.
Jesus replied:
Just one thing you lack.
There will always be something you lack if you rely on obeying the law to enter heaven

 

[stuart lawrence]

That's right, it usually takes time to improve in righteousness and even then no one is perfect but Christ himself.

Agreed, righteous living takes time. But the Christians righteousness before God is faith in Christ rom3:22, phil3:9 etc

 

[CDF47]

Which covenant was in operation at the time?.
The young man responded that he had kept all the commandments since his youth.
Jesus replied:
Just one thing you lack.
There will always be something you lack if you rely on obeying the law to enter heaven

Good point, I was just responding to the question of when did Jesus mention the Ten Commandments regarding salvation or anything else. There is another verse as well below:

Matthew 5:18, "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled."

The fulfillment here could be Christ's fulfillment of the Law, however.

 

[CDF47]

Agreed, righteous living takes time. But the Christians righteousness before God is faith in Christ rom3:22, phil3:9 etc

Agreed.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law Christ died for nothing
Gal2:21

 

[stuart lawrence]

Good point, I was just responding to the question of when did Jesus mention the Ten Commandments regarding salvation or anything else. There is another verse as well below:

Matthew 5:18, "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled."

The fulfillment here could be Christ's fulfillment of the Law, however.

Well the moral law of course hasn't been abolished, it has been written in the mind and placed in the heart of the believer. But the believer has a saviour from their sins/ transgression of the law, therefore:
Christ is the end of the law, unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

 

[CDF47]

Well the moral law of course hasn't been abolished, it has been written in the mind and placed in the heart of the believer. But the believer has a saviour from their sins/ transgression of the law, therefore:
Christ is the end of the law, unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

Yes He Is