Gal 3 - the Gospel and God's Commandments

[Doveaman]

Nice thread on Galatians 3 --

Fine - the Galatians topic it is. Will give you a thread fully devoted to the chapter - you will have lots of room to make your case.

The case has already been made:

The entire chapter of Galatians 3 is about the Old Covenant law that was based on the 10 commandments, which Paul says is now an unemployed schoolmaster:

"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." (Galatians 3:23-25).

Notice that in Gal 3 the role of the Law of God to the lost is to point them to the need of Christ - as we also see in Romans 3.

That's correct, the "schoolmaster" of the law pointed us to faith in Christ, now that faith has come, we are no longer under the "schoolmaster" of the law.

But nothing in Gal 3 says it is ok to "take God's name in vain" once we become a Christian" and we both know it.

Why would anyone following Christ/God take His name in vain?

The reason why we follow Christ/God is because we respect His name.

Rather as Paul says in Romans 3 - "we ESTABLISH the LAW" as Christians.

Love is the establishment of the law:

“Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:9-10).

Love establishes the righteous requirements of God's eternal law.

Rom 3:31 because it is "written on the heart and mind"

The law written in our heart and mind is the righteous requirements of the law, not the letter. And the righteous requirements of the law is love:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

Gentiles who do not have the letter of the law do obey the righteous requirements of the law from their hearts by loving each other:

“If those who are not circumcised keep the righteous requirements of the law, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet fulfills the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written letter and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law.” -- (Romans 2:26-29).

We transgress God's law, not by violating its letter, but by violating its righteous requirements to love each other as ourselves, because love fulfills the righteous requirements of the law: “'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:9-10).

Those who obey the righteous requirements of the law to love God will not take His name in vain.

Hebrews 8:6-10 under the NEW Covenant.

And we are told in Deuteronomy 4 what the Old Covenant was:

"He declared to you His covenant, the Ten Commandments, which He commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets" (Deuteronomy 4:13).

And we are told in 2 Corinthians 3 that the New Covenant is not like the Old Covenant:

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?" (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

In Gal 3 - it is ABRAHAM that is demonstrating how this is lived out - who has the ONE Gospel preached to him Gal 3:8.

Abraham lived by the New Covenant of the Spirit, and not by the Old Covenant of the letter:

“The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham...So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse…Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, 'The righteous will live by faith.' The law is not based on faith…Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law…He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit” (Galatians 3:8-17).

There is nothing righteous about observing the letter of the law, because the letter of the law is not based on faith, and the righteous live by faith. This is why Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law so we may obtain the righteousness of Abraham, a righteousness that is by faith.

In the NT SIN is STILL defined as "Transgression of the LAW" in 1 John 3:4 and in James 2... and Romans 7.

Sin is the transgression of the righteous requirements of the law. We transgress the law, not by violating its letter, but by violating its righteous requirements to love each other as ourselves.

 

[BobRyan]

The case has already been made:

That is true in the case of Galatians 3... see page one of this thread.

The entire chapter of Galatians 3 is about the Old Covenant law that was based on the 10 commandments, which Paul says is now an unemployed schoolmaster:

Not true. Paul never says anything against God's Commandments - not even against God's Ten Commandments. Rather Paul says it is the TEN That define what sin is and what righteousness is - just as all of scripture affirms the same point.

As we saw here.


==> KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


Nehemiah 10
29 are joining with their kinsmen, their nobles, and are taking on themselves a curse and an oath to walk in God’s law, which was given through Moses, God’s servant, and to keep and to observe all the commandments of God our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes;


Genesis 26:5
5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”


1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

The teaching of Christ: Commandment of God = Word of God = "Moses said" in the case of the TEN Commandments.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN.

Matt 19 "if you would have eternal life KEEP the Commandments... Which ones?.." then comes Christ list FROM the Ten Commandments.

Romans 7 - quoting the Commandments - from the TEN
Romans 13 - from the TEN
James 2 - from the TEN.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Rom 7 Sin defined by the LAW
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Rom 4:15 - where there is no Law there is no sin.

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

 

[BobRyan]

The reason why we follow Christ/God is because we respect His name.
Love is the establishment of the law:

“Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:9-10).

Love establishes the righteous requirements of God's eternal law.

True .... and none of it an argument for violation of God's Commandments - God's Ten Commandments.

not even the one about taking God's name in vain.

 

[Doveaman]

Not true. Paul never says anything against God's Commandments - not even against God's Ten Commandments.

Maybe you need a new Bible.

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter...for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone" (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Rather Paul says it is the TEN That define what sin is and what righteousness is - just as all of scripture affirms the same point.

If Paul ever said the 10 commandments define sin and righteousness he would be contradicting himself: "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." (Romans 3:20-21).

We become conscious of sin because the law helps us to recognize sin by condemning us for sin: "Indeed I had not known sin except through the law...But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good." (Romans 7:7-13).

And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

Jeremiah is not speaking about the letter of 10 commandments, he is referring to the spiritual requirements of the law. The spiritual requirements of the law is the love of the Spirit expressed from the heart: “Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:9-10).

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” (Romans 2:14-15).

Gentiles, who do not have the 10 commandments, do obey the love required by the law, even though they do not have the 10 commandments.

True .... and none of it an argument for violation of God's Commandments - God's Ten Commandments.

not even the one about taking God's name in vain.

It violates the 4th commandment.

Jesus said: "Haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?'' (Matthew 12:5).

The priests working in the physical temple desecrated the Sabbath day by working on the Sabbath day in the temple, and yet they were innocent of sin.

It was not a sin for the priests to violate the Sabbath day by working in the temple. This was because the work in the physical temple was superior to the rest on the seventh day.

"Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? Yet I say to you that One greater than the temple is here.'' (Matthew 12:5-6).

The body of Christ is now the greater and superior temple, and Christians are now called to live as priests working everyday in God's superior temple. And we, too, are permitted to violate the Sabbath day and still be innocent of sin, because the work of the Spirit in the body of Christ's temple is far superior and greater than the physical rest on the seventh day.

 

[BobRyan]

The case has already been made:

That is true in the case of Galatians 3... see page one of this thread.

The entire chapter of Galatians 3 is about the Old Covenant law that was based on the 10 commandments, which Paul says is now an unemployed schoolmaster:

Not true. Paul never says anything against God's Commandments - not even against God's Ten Commandments. Rather Paul says it is the TEN That define what sin is and what righteousness is - just as all of scripture affirms the same point.

As we saw here.


==> KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

The teaching of Christ: Commandment of God = Word of God = "Moses said" in the case of the TEN Commandments.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN.

Matt 19 "if you would have eternal life KEEP the Commandments... Which ones?.." then comes Christ list FROM the Ten Commandments.

Romans 7 - quoting the Commandments - from the TEN
Romans 13 - from the TEN
James 2 - from the TEN.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Rom 7 Sin defined by the LAW
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Rom 4:15 - where there is no Law there is no sin.

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

Maybe you need a new Bible.

Well that is one way to deal with all those offending Bible texts I suppose. Try another option ... look at the Bible "details" just posted.

Another great example where the commandments of God - are not condemned. No not even the TEN Commandments -- only the lost condition condemned. What is "Approved" is the NEW Covenant known to Jeremiah where the "LAW of God is written on the heart" in 2Cor 3.

2Cor 3
5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory

"Do not take God's name in vain" written on stone - and not on the heart - is the condition that the lost find themselves in.

Obviously.

Romans 13
8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Can't argue with that.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Can't argue with that.


Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Can't argue with that.


Rom 7 Sin defined by the LAW
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Can't argue with that.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Can't argue with that.

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


Nehemiah 10
29 are joining with their kinsmen, their nobles, and are taking on themselves a curse and an oath to walk in God’s law, which was given through Moses, God’s servant, and to keep and to observe all the commandments of God our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes;

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Can't argue with that.

Genesis 26:5
5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

 

[BobRyan]

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If Paul ever said the 10 commandments define sin and righteousness he would be contradicting himself:

Until you read:

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
..
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

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Romans 2:26

• King James Version
  Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
  
• Young's Literal Translation
  If, therefore the uncircumcision the righteousness of the law may keep, shall not his uncircumcision for circumcision be reckoned?
• Romans 6:16
  New American Standard Bible
  Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Romans 8:4

• King James Version
  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
  
• Young's Literal Translation
  that the righteousness of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
• NKJV
• 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Bible details matter.

Jesus presents righteousness as conformity to the will of God expressed in the Mosaic law ( Matt 13:17 ; 23:29 ; Matthew 27:4 Matthew 27:19 Matthew 27:24 ) and also conformity to his own teachings concerning the requirements of the kingdom of heaven ( Matt 5:17-20 ).
Righteousness Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

John 16
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;

(Sin of rejecting the Gospel)

10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;

(Rightousness. Jesus was perfect, sinless - not a transgressor of God's Law .. fully accepted by the Father as perfect, sinless)

11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

 

[Doveaman]

Not true. Paul never says anything against God's Commandments - not even against God's Ten Commandments. Rather Paul says it is the TEN That define what sin is and what righteousness is - just as all of scripture affirms the same point.

The Bible says otherwise, no matter how you try to spin it:

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry of condemnation" (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

The ministry of condemnation which was engraved in letters on stone is undeniably the 10 commandments, and Paul tells us that we do not serve God according to the letter of 10 commandments, according to the ministry of condemnation which was engraved in letters on stone.

Until you read:

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
..
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Paul is saying in those verses that he was condemned for sin through the law of commandments. The law of commandments is therefore holy, righteous and good, not because it defines our righteousness, but because it condemns our sin.

Our righteousness is not defined by the law: "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." (Romans 3:20).

We become conscious of sin through the law because the law condemns us for sin, as it did Paul.

Romans 2:26

• • King James Version
    Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
    
  • Young's Literal Translation
    If, therefore the uncircumcision the righteousness of the law may keep, shall not his uncircumcision for circumcision be reckoned?
  • Romans 6:16
    New American Standard Bible
    Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Romans 8:4

• • King James Version
    That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    
  • Young's Literal Translation
    that the righteousness of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
  • NKJV
  • 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Bible details matter.

Bible details do matter, and there is no 10 commandments in those Bible details you provided.

The righteous requirement of the law is not the 10 commandments. Gentiles obey the righteous requirement of the law even though they do not have the law of 10 commandments:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” (Romans 2:14-15).

The requirements of the law written on our hearts is love: “Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:9-10).

Love fulfills the righteous requirement of the law. And Gentiles, who do not have the law of 10 commandments, do obey the love required by the law, even though they do not have the law of 10 commandments:

“If those who are not circumcised keep the righteous requirements of the law...who is not circumcised physically and yet fulfills the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written letter and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law.” -- (Romans 2:26-29).

The righteous requirement of the law can still be transgressed, even by those who obey the written letter of 10 commandments.

John 16
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;

(Sin of rejecting the Gospel)

10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;

(Rightousness. Jesus was perfect, sinless - not a transgressor of God's Law .. fully accepted by the Father as perfect, sinless)

11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

Nothing about the 10 commandments in those Bible details either, no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[BobRyan]

==> KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


Nehemiah 10
29 are joining with their kinsmen, their nobles, and are taking on themselves a curse and an oath to walk in God’s law, which was given through Moses, God’s servant, and to keep and to observe all the commandments of God our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes;


Genesis 26:5
5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”


1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

The teaching of Christ: Commandment of God = Word of God = "Moses said" in the case of the TEN Commandments.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN.

Matt 19 "if you would have eternal life KEEP the Commandments... Which ones?.." then comes Christ list FROM the Ten Commandments.

Romans 7 - quoting the Commandments - from the TEN
Romans 13 - from the TEN
James 2 - from the TEN.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Rom 7 Sin defined by the LAW
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Rom 4:15 - where there is no Law there is no sin.

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

The Bible says otherwise, no matter how you try to spin it:

Have I mentioned that I find your logic "illusive"??

 

[BobRyan]

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
..
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

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Paul is saying in those verses that he was condemned for sin through the law of commandments.

"ALL the world condemned" Romans 3:19
"Every mouth shut" Romans 3:19
"Everyone accountable to God as sinners" Rom 3:19
"ALL have sinned" Romans 3:23

The law of commandments is therefore holy, righteous and good,

Can't argue with that.

Our righteousness is not defined by the law:

The law defines what sin is -- and defines what righteousness is

Romans 2:26

• King James Version
  Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
  
• Young's Literal Translation
  If, therefore the uncircumcision the righteousness of the law may keep, shall not his uncircumcision for circumcision be reckoned?
• Romans 6:16
  New American Standard Bible
  Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Romans 8:4

• King James Version
  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
  
• Young's Literal Translation
  that the righteousness of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
• NKJV
• 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Bible details matter.

John 16
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;

(Sin of rejecting the Gospel)

10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;

(Rightousness. Jesus was perfect, sinless - not a transgressor of God's Law .. fully accepted by the Father as perfect, sinless)

11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

 

[BobRyan]

And since Gal 3 is coming up again on this board -- a few more notes to add...


Gal 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”

Which of course is the OT model -- all of it a quote of the OT showing that we were never our own saviors -- no way to find "forgiveness in the law" only condemnation for the lost.

But for the saved New Covenant Christian in the OT well then "The LAW is written on the heart" and "they all drank from the same Spiritual Rock and that Rock was CHRIST" 1 Cor 10:4

Who said "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
And also said "if you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
And also "This IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:23-3
No wonder then "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

More from Gal 3
12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

All OT Gospel... all OT rules.. the Messiah is an OT teaching.

"the Gospel was preached to us just as it was them also" Hebrews 4:1-2
"the Gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8
"there is only ONE Gospel" Gal 1:6-9