Dinosaurs and Humans Coexisting! (My Thoughts on the Creation Museum)

[Subduction Zone]

Greetings Atheist, I've not been to your church nor do I submit to you gods story~so we have that in common~we agree to disagree~what else do you have```

Atheists do not have a church. And we have mountains of evidence while you have no reliable evidence.

Would you like to learn a bit? This is the science area of this forum, one should be able to understand at least a little science if one posts here.

 

[Hall]

You will learn one day...

 

[Subduction Zone]

You will learn one day...

You have too much faith. Most creationists will never learn.

 

[sethrak]

Atheism is a religion, and the followers believe and accept their faith without a shred of proof, and have fellowship with their kind, there is more than one sect as the don't all follow the same nothing.

There is still time for some but we don't know how much.

as always seth

 

[Subduction Zone]

Atheism is a religion, and the followers believe and accept their faith without a shred of proof, and have fellowship with their kind, there is more than one sect as the don't all follow the same nothing.

There is still time for some but we don't know how much.

as always seth

Nope. Is not playing football a sport?

And please, no bogus threats. It is rude and people will only laugh at you.

 

[sethrak]

But having a counter belief, is faith, a faith you can and do describe and you go with intent to mock and argue the true faith in favor of the one dear to your heart.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But having a counter belief, is faith, a faith you can and do describe and you go with intent to mock and argue the true faith in favor of the one dear to your heart.

Atheism is not a belief. There is no faith involved. And no, you clearly do not have the "true faith". The world that we live in tells us that the Genesis story cannot be taken literally. So if one tries to do that the only way they can justify that is by claiming that their god lies.

Does your god lie? When I was a Christian I did not believe in a lying God. That was why I accepted the theory of evolution.

 

[Shemjaza]

Atheism is a religion, and the followers believe and accept their faith without a shred of proof, and have fellowship with their kind, there is more than one sect as the don't all follow the same nothing.

There is still time for some but we don't know how much.

as always seth

Not a religion. I don't believe in any god, but it isn't because I have a faith, I'm just completely unconvinced by the reasons presented to believe in them.

I'm aware that I'm not always rational, and I'm sure some of the things I accept are mistakes, but I try to keep an open mind and listen to justifications and evidence before I accept things as truth.

I'm also comfortable with the answer to big questions being: "I don't know."

 

[AV1611VET]

Not a religion.

Just as weight occurs when gravity is resisted, religion occurs when the Bible is resisted.

That definition makes atheism a religion.

I'm aware that I'm not always rational, and I'm sure some of the things I accept are mistakes,

Not accepting something you should can be a mistake as well.

I'm also comfortable with the answer to big questions being: "I don't know."

So are true skeptics, who claim "I don't know" on principle.

 

[PeterRobertson]

Just as weight occurs when gravity is resisted, religion occurs when the Bible is resisted.

You are an atheist if you do not accept the claims that a god exists. Rejecting claims because of factual support is not a belief and so it is nonsense to claim it is a religion.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are an atheist if you do not accept the claims that a god exists. Rejecting claims because of factual support is not a belief and so it is nonsense to claim it is a religion.

Atheism goes much deeper than just rejecting claims.

That's because atheism is an active religion.

Atheists have been behind getting the Bible out of school, the Ten Commandments off of courthouse lawns, evolution being taught as fact, attempts to get IN GOD WE TRUST and ONE NATION UNDER GOD removed from our coins and pledge respectively, and a host of other antichrist activities.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I'm not saying that anything is impossible for an omnipotent deity, but planting fake evidence of a detailed history can not be interpreted in any other way than deception.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? but I suspect this will either be ignored, or the 'get out of jail free' card will be played - 'God Works In Mysterious Ways'.

As I mentioned elsewhere, if what God does is good, by definition, then the appearance of deception must be a misinterpretation of His good works...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Atheists have been behind getting the Bible out of school, the Ten Commandments off of courthouse lawns, evolution being taught as fact, attempts to get IN GOD WE TRUST and ONE NATION UNDER GOD removed from our coins and pledge respectively, and a host of other antichrist activities.

That would make those atheists part of a political movement (presumably supporting the 'separation of church and state' interpretation of the 1st amendment).

 

[PeterRobertson]

Atheism goes much deeper than just rejecting claims.

That's because atheism is an active religion.

As you are fully aware, atheism is not a religion. Repeating your mantra that it is does not make it so.

"Atheists have been behind getting the Bible out of school"
Not true. It is the force-feeding of the bible in school that has been banned.

"the Ten Commandments off of courthouse lawns"
Quite correct. The courts are for everyone, not just Christians, and that selection of the numerous commandments has little basis in law.
"evolution being taught as fact"
Evolution is a fact (living things change over generations), and the explanatory theory behind it is supported by a huge amount of evidence.
"attempts to get IN GOD WE TRUST and ONE NATION UNDER GOD removed from our coins and pledge respectively"
You are no doubt aware that these were fairly recent changes. The original motto was "E pluribus unum" and "under God" was not in the pledge until Christian zealots got them changed.

 

[Noxot]

Atheism goes much deeper than just rejecting claims.

That's because atheism is an active religion.

Atheists have been behind getting the Bible out of school, the Ten Commandments off of courthouse lawns, evolution being taught as fact, attempts to get IN GOD WE TRUST and ONE NATION UNDER GOD removed from our coins and pledge respectively, and a host of other antichrist activities.

I would argue that it is an antichrist spirit that weds the state and Christianity especially since Jesus seems to imply that there is no final unity when it comes to the world and heaven. it's one or the other. tribalistic people have always tried to dominate the education system. it's a human biology and personality develop problem, not a mere religious one.

what I do fear is that atheist will turn to the state as a kind of God, but Christians have done that a lot already. humans worship the state so much that many appear to not even be able to think outside the confines of it.

 

[Kylie]

Just as weight occurs when gravity is resisted, religion occurs when the Bible is resisted.

That definition makes atheism a religion.

That's a very bad definition of religion.

Not accepting something you should can be a mistake as well.

But not accepting something for which there is no evidence is intellectually honest.

So are true skeptics, who claim "I don't know" on principle.

I'd rather an honest "I don't know" then a need for some kind of answer, even if it might be wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

But not accepting something for which there is no evidence is intellectually honest.

Claiming there is no evidence, when evidence is all around you, is intellectually dishonest.

And claiming evidence, when you're actively fighting the evidence is worse yet.

 

[ubicaritas]

The common comparison is to the creation of Adam, given that he was a grown man who could talk, but had recently been created.

However, the level of detail recorded in the Earth, like the remains of rivers, oceans, the bones of vanished plants and animals is more akin to creating Adam with a faded tattoo, an appendix scar, memories of going fishing with his father and playing tag with his siblings.

I'm not saying that anything is impossible for an omnipotent deity, but planting fake evidence of a detailed history can not be interpreted in any other way than deception.

I don't necessarily see it that way. Especially because Tree of Life is not completely denying the physical evidence left in the fossil or geologic records. He's just asserting the biblical account as the primary way of understanding the meaning of that evidence.

I guess we would need more clarification on ToL on the details of #2, and how it works out.

I believe since a day is usually define as the rotation of the earth relative to the sun, that it doesn't even make sense to understand Genesis 1 literally (because "day" and "light" was created before the Sun). The Newtonian understanding of time is incorrect, but that seems to be what both the biblical literalist and the skeptical atheist take for granted.

 

[Tree of Life]

I don't think God is a trickster and that is exactly what this would be, a deception.

Why?

 

[Tree of Life]

However, isn't the second option depicting your God as a trickster and deceiver?

I don't see how.