Communism cannot exist

[Lord'sWarrior]

Communism (stateless classless society) cannot exist because of the fallen nature of man. Not every one turns to God and not every one is not greedy etc...
And anarchism the same.

Care to comment? Anyone agree?

 

[timewerx]

Allocation of wealth and power in Communism is still similar to Capitalism.

My idea of a perfect society isn't run by man, it's either run by God or AI (Artificial Intelligence).

 

[want-love]

communism denies the existence of god, it's therefore a satanic ideology

 

[Lord'sWarrior]

Allocation of wealth and power in Communism is still similar to Capitalism.

My idea of a perfect society isn't run by man, it's either run by God or AI (Artificial Intelligence).

A man ruled society is bound to be fallible. I guess that's why Revelation book exist in the Blible. A new kingdom.

 

[Lord'sWarrior]

But capitalism isn't a way out too. I guess we are at an impasse. If there's corruption underneath, no matter what system exists, it will be rotten from the inside out, decomposing everyone and everything. And rarely people change.

 

[Dave-W]

Allocation of wealth and power in Communism is still similar to Capitalism.

That is not true communism. True communism has no wealth or power.

 

[Dave-W]

But capitalism isn't a way out too.

A former pastor of mine once quipped he never truly understood capitalism until he got on the wrong end of a dope deal gone bad.

 

[Dave-W]

Communism (stateless classless society) cannot exist because of the fallen nature of man. Not every one turns to God and not every one is not greedy etc...

"From each according to his abilities; To each according to his needs."

Sounds nice; but true communism does not allow for anyone to regulate that. It depends on EVERYONE being generous and not selfish. The problem is that with the fallen nature of man, EVERYONE has a greedy streak.

 

[timewerx]

But capitalism isn't a way out too. I guess we are at an impasse. If there's corruption underneath, no matter what system exists, it will be rotten from the inside out, decomposing everyone and everything. And rarely people change.

Capitalism is workable with some (major) changes.

Right now, Capitalism is broken because it favors the strong and neglects the weak which is very unGodly.

 

[timewerx]

"From each according to his abilities; To each according to his needs."

Sounds nice; but true communism does not allow for anyone to regulate that. It depends on EVERYONE being generous and not selfish. The problem is that with the fallen nature of man, EVERYONE has a greedy streak.

Capitalism needs to be regulated more though for its own good.

For example, commodity price should be less determined by demand -- to encourage production. Such move will benefit the poor by increasing their purchasing power and create more jobs. More jobs mean more economic growth.

Such move must be implemented with the Universal Basic Income (UBI), otherwise, the demand-driven increase in price of commodities will negated the benefits of UBI.

Outsourcing of work must pay bigger taxes to discourage the practice. Because bringing the jobs back would stimulate local businesses and hence, the local economy.

 

[timewerx]

That is not true communism. True communism has no wealth or power.

Perhaps, but the ones we do have are far from that ideal. The power and wealth is still consolidated, although they don't hold money, you can see their properties, there's a huge gap between working classes. It is far from being a classless society.

 

[Dave-W]

Perhaps, but the ones we do have are far from that ideal.

There was a reason that when Russia had their revolution and set up the USSR, they did NOT call it a "Marxist state;" but rather a "Marxist Leninist state."

The world has never seen a state based on purely Marxist communism. I do not think such a thing could ever exist.

 

[SBC]

Communism (stateless classless society) cannot exist because of the fallen nature of man. Not every one turns to God and not every one is not greedy etc...
And anarchism the same.

Care to comment? Anyone agree?

Communism is not about a stateless, classless, society, nor is it about God.

It is precisely about a political upper ruling class; dictating everything belongs to the upper political state; and the upper ruling class (ruling the political state); dictates what, when and how much the entire "lower" class (entire public at large) can and can not have.

It is not about God; but rather about GREED and POWER of human men.
And yes it does exist; some claiming the Communist title; some claiming the title of Socialist.....A Communist being more of a strict adherent to Karl Marx teachings; and a Socialist more selective in following Karl Marx teaching; as embracing his teachings, that one who earns more should provide for the other who earns less; which is the same thing promoted by Socialists in the US, who want the higher earners to provide for them.

God Bless.
SBC

 

[SBC]

Allocation of wealth and power in Communism is still similar to Capitalism.

no.

Communism requires the government to TAKE the people's wealth and divvy it up.

Capitalism, is a person earning their own wealth, and spending their wealth, as they determine.

Socialism, is a person NOT earning their own wealth, but always trying to figure out how they can get their hands on the wealth an other HAS EARNED.

My idea of a perfect society isn't run by man, it's either run by God or AI (Artificial Intelligence).

By God "OR" a computer? Programed by men? Wow.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[tulc]

Communism is not about a stateless, classless, society, nor is it about God.

It is precisely about a political upper ruling class; dictating everything belongs to the upper political state; and the upper ruling class (ruling the political state); dictates what, when and how much the entire "lower" class (entire public at large) can and can not have.

It is not about God; but rather about GREED and POWER of human men.
And yes it does exist; some claiming the Communist title; some claiming the title of Socialist.....A Communist being more of a strict adherent to Karl Marx teachings; and a Socialist more selective in following Karl Marx teaching; as embracing his teachings, that one who earns more should provide for the other who earns less; which is the same thing promoted by Socialists in the US, who want the higher earners to provide for them.

God Bless.
SBC

So...it's just another form of capitalism?
tulc(morning SBC)

 

[Albion]

Communism (stateless classless society) cannot exist because of the fallen nature of man. Not every one turns to God and not every one is not greedy etc...
And anarchism the same.

Care to comment? Anyone agree?

You're absolutely right. Communism and Anarchism only promise a stateless society. It will never happen, but in the meantime the Communist rulers over the people will get to live like kings...but kings who nevertheless promise "someday, when you are all changed into perfect beings, it will be wonderful and you won't need us."

 

[Adstar]

Communism (stateless classless society) cannot exist because of the fallen nature of man. Not every one turns to God and not every one is not greedy etc...
And anarchism the same.

Care to comment? Anyone agree?

A central teaching of communism is that God does not exist.. atheism is a requirement of all CCP party members in China for example..

All economic systems suffer from the corruption of men.. But communism being so idealistic suffers far more then capitalism which as a more hard realistic edge to it..

 

[SBC]

So...it's just another form of capitalism?
tulc(morning SBC)

No.

How is someone "TAKING" your wealth and "THEM" deciding how to spend it -
comparable to:
You deciding how to spend "YOUR" wealth?

Do you not notice the DIFFERENCE of "WHO" is deciding what to do with "YOUR" wealth?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[timewerx]

no.

Communism requires the government to TAKE the people's wealth and divvy it up.

Capitalism, is a person earning their own wealth, and spending their wealth, as they determine.

Socialism, is a person NOT earning their own wealth, but always trying to figure out how they can get their hands on the wealth an other HAS EARNED.

I didn't say it's the same. I only said it is similar.

It is similar in a context that the communists doesn't actually divide the wealth equally to everyone and classes within communist societies still exists

Some will still have more possession than others (depending on their occupation and position) and those having the most will be disproportionately few. It mirrors the status quo of many Capitalist nations.

Of course, communists will deny these but results say otherwise.

By God "OR" a computer? Programed by men? Wow.

Are you familiar with the "Seed AI"?

It is basically an AI program designed to evolve, expand, basically re-program itself to improve and expand its capabilities..

An evolved AI program from the Seed AI is technically not programmed by a human anymore and it has the potential to break any limitations we program to it. But without the brain chemistry that we have that can induce emotions, sensations of pleasure or pain, it will think quite differently than we do and will have greatly different priorities.

 

[tulc]

No.

How is someone "TAKING" your wealth and "THEM" deciding how to spend it -
comparable to:
You deciding how to spend "YOUR" wealth?

Do you not notice the DIFFERENCE of "WHO" is deciding what to do with "YOUR" wealth?

God Bless,
SBC

The difference is capitalism is: "man exploiting other men to make money" while communism is "man exploiting other men to make money"...oh yeah, it's so different I can't understand why I didn't see it in the first place.
tulc(must be a lack of coffee in my system)