William Tanksley Jr
Active Member
- Jul 28, 2017
- 75
- 45
- 49
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Divorced
Now why are you still trying to tell me people's time ends when I have already shown you from scripture people exist outside of the new heaven. I can assure you, I won't cease accepting what scripture states.
With all respect, you brought up Luke 20, and I'm exegeting the whole argument Jesus made in context. You're free to discuss the argument Jesus made, but right now you're not -- you're ignoring it in favor of another passage you like more.
So when the Bible speaks of people dying/ death comes to them, it doesn't mean they cease to exist at all
Amen. I don't claim it does mean that. Dead means dead, not "destroyed"; but being dead doesn't simply mean the same thing as being alive. And other passages tells us WHY being dead doesn't mean ceasing to exist. It's not because God lied in Genesis 3:19; it's because of the point made in 2 Peter 2:19: "the Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished..." The wicked are reserved and kept until the day of judgment. They will not escape the proper punishment even by dying.
And we agree on this, I believe. Where we disagree is what that punishment consists of. Here's a few passages from 2 Peter where he explains what it means.
2:6 "by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly."
2:12 "But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction."
There's no doubt about the ultimate fate of the wicked. God made Sodom an example of what will happen to them; and that example is _specifically_ that they were turned to ashes in a catastrophe of judgment.
"Dead" doesn't mean "turned to ashes" and "destroyed like irrational animals"; but "turned to ashes" and "destroyed like irrational animals" means much more than dead.
Upvote
0