No more transgender in the military -- poll

[Shiloh Raven]

Josiah he isn't. He displays none of the traits you mention in a godly man, it's kind of being in denial.

"By your fruits, you will know them" and Trump's fruit is rotten to the core. He is so cunning that he's even convinced his right winged evangelical supporters that he accepted Jesus into his heart, which conveniently occurred during his campaign last year while he was pandering for the evangelical vote.

 

[Angeldove97]

Maybe a lot of the problems with transgenders in the military or homosexuals in the military could be solved if the people who publicly opposed them, including Christians, were kicked out of from the military instead.

Yes lets pander to the few thousand people instead of helping out the majority of the military. Make America great again!

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Didn't you hear? Christians are already persecuted in this country. War on Christmas and all. Donald Trump said so in his Boy Scout speech.

Oh yeah... Christians in America do have it so tough. Some of them must get really tired threatening to boycott companies like Starbucks because Merry Christmas isn't printed on their coffee cup or because Christians aren't legally allowed to discriminate against homosexuals based on their Christian beliefs. Yeah, life must be really tough for some of them. I imagine many of them even complain about it while freely traveling to the church of their choice on Sunday morning or on Wednesday nights, and they don't even have to hide their bibles either. But on a more serious note, I doubt any of them have ever faced an actual act of persecution against them because they are Christian a single day in their life.

 

[jazzflower92]

Oh yeah... Christians in America do have it so tough. Some of them must get really tired threatening to boycott companies like Starbucks because Merry Christmas isn't printed on their coffee cup or because Christians aren't legally allowed to discriminate against homosexuals based on their Christian beliefs. Yeah, life must be really tough for some of them. I imagine many of them even complain about it while freely traveling to the church of their choice on Sunday morning or on Wednesday nights, and they don't even have to hide their bibles either. But on a more serious note, I doubt any of them have ever faced an actual act of persecution against them because they are Christian a single day in their life.

The question of declining a gay related event is something I do think people should have a right to do. I see it as a freedom of association. The fact that you can be run out of business is kind of disturbing in my opinion. I do think you can find a balance between declination and LGBT protections.

 

[jazzflower92]

Yes lets pander to the few thousand people instead of helping out the majority of the military. Make American great again!

I think Christians can take the pragmatic route, instead of the dogmatic one.

 

[CBBILL]

I could see it being a distraction.

 

[Yarddog]

Josiah he isn't. He displays none of the traits you mention in a godly man, it's kind of being in denial.

Well, Josiah was 8 when he became king and Trump is as immature as an 8 year old so we can see at least something similar.

 

[jazzflower92]

Well, Josiah was 8 when he became king and Trump is as immature as an 8 year old so we can see at least something similar.

Good one. But seriously I do not see this man having any sort of good wisdom that Josiah did.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

The question of declining a gay related event is something I do think people should have a right to do. I see it as a freedom of association. The fact that you can be run out of business is kind of disturbing in my opinion. I do think you can find a balance between declination and LGBT protections.

Well, the way I see it is that there are consequences for breaking the law, including anti-discrimination laws. There can even be severe consequences for breaking the law and that includes anti-discrimination laws. Despite what seems to be a popular belief among conservative Christian circles, Christians living in America are not above the laws of this country and they aren't entitled to discriminate at will against homosexuals (LGBT) or anyone else they might find unfavorable or whose lifestyle they may disagree with religiously. If some Christians are willing to violate anti-discrimination laws because of their religious convictions then they should be willing to accept any consequences for their actions. Christians should be held accountable and held to the same standard as non-Christians concerning obeying the laws.

Anti-discrimination laws were put in place for a reason to protect LGBT people and other marginalized groups of people from being discriminated against in this country. LGBT people don't deserve to be discriminated against or held with contempt because of their sexual orientation. And if Christians own a public business (that normally accommodates the public as it should), but find themselves unable to accommodate homosexuals (LGBT) because it conflicts with their conscience and religious beliefs, then they should seriously consider seeking some kind of private or religious occupation instead.

 

[jazzflower92]

Well, the way I see it is that there are consequences for breaking the law, including anti-discrimination laws. There can even be severe consequences for breaking the law and that includes anti-discrimination laws. Despite what seems to be a popular belief among conservative Christian circles, Christians living in America are not above the laws of this country and they aren't entitled to discriminate at will against homosexuals (LGBT) or anyone else they might find unfavorable or whose lifestyle they may disagree with religiously. If some Christians are willing to violate anti-discrimination laws because of their religious convictions then they should be willing to accept the legal consequences of their actions. Christians should also be held accountable for breaking laws, including anti-discrimination laws.

Anti-discrimination laws were put in place for a reason to protect LGBT people and other marginalized groups of people from being discriminated against in this country. LGBT people don't deserve to be discriminated against or held with contempt because of their sexual orientation. And if Christians own a public business (that normally accommodates the public as it should), but find themselves unable to accommodate homosexuals (LGBT) because it conflicts with their conscience and religious beliefs, then they should seek some other kind of private or religious occupation instead.

I don't subscribe to the persecution view, but I do think freedom of association should be considered as well. I do think when it comes to small business they should have the freedom to decide what they can and cannot do. I do think it should be within good judgment and try to not antagonize someone if you turn down a request. The thing is you can force other religious people as well to go against their beliefs, and I still wouldn't feel right about it. Also despite what is said, it's not just Christians but also other religious people who might have problems the way things are set up.

 

[AV1611VET]

 

[Winken]

I'm a Vietnam Era Vet who served on Guam at the tail end of the war, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the question I'm asking.

Maybe I should go next door and ask their pre-schoolers if they would want to ... just so I can get an answer?

(Or I could ask my pastor. He was in 'Nam. But again, that doesn't matter.)

Thanks for your Service!! And your insightful posts!!

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I don't subscribe to the persecution view, but I do think freedom of association should be considered as well. I do think when it comes to small business they should have the freedom to decide what they can and cannot do. I do think it should be within good judgment and try to not antagonize someone if you turn down a request.

The activist within me sees it as standing up against discrimination and social injustice. I also think it's the right thing to do. But I think you made some very good points in your post too.

The thing is you can force other religious people as well to go against their beliefs, and I still wouldn't feel right about it. Also despite what is said, it's not just Christians but also other religious people who might have problems the way things are set up.

You're correct and I could have mentioned that. I was simply thinking about all the stories I've heard before of Christians who own public businesses discriminating against homosexual couples.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

What are earth is Trump doing in the still shot of that video? It looks like he's trying to howl or maybe that's what he looks like when he tries to kiss someone. Anyway, that image makes my skin crawl.

 

[tulc]

Military service is a privilege reserved for the sane.

...really?
tulc(knew some pretty crazy people in the military and didn't notice it being much of a problem for them)

 

[jazzflower92]

The activist within me sees it as standing up against discrimination and social injustice. I also think it's the right thing to do. But I think you made some very good points in your post too.



You're correct and I could have mentioned that. I was simply thinking about all the stories I've heard before of Christians who own public businesses discriminating against homosexual couples.

Thanks. However, I don't take the Tony Perkins stance which is take a dogmatic hard stance that is not feasible. When it comes to a lot of things concerning the gay and trans issue in secular situations, I do think there should be pragmatic solutions instead of doing this outright bans.

 

[jazzflower92]

He sings a song about Christ, but does he actually live it. The answer is : NO!

 

[Yarddog]

Good one. But seriously I do not see this man having any sort of good wisdom that Josiah did.

Well, as long as Josiah listened to God's prophets he succeeded but when he ignored God, who sent the Egyptian King Neco, he was killed. Now, it is easy to see that Trump listens very little to God.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Let's simplify this.

Would you want to be on a bus going down a mountainside if God decides to judge the driver for whatever sin he's living?

Do you interview every bus driver you ride with to make sure they are sufficiently sin free before you board?

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks for your Service!! And your insightful posts!!

Thank you, Winken!