Humans did NOT evolve from Apes...

[TBDude65]

Im trying to understand your relevance

You ended your post to my question about two outside "families" reproducing if the offspring's DNA of this union reflects both these unlike species (and it has to since there is both a father and a mother's DNA) and you said something to the extent that no

But then you ended your post to me about viruses

Creationists if the term means those who believe in the biblical account of creation is correct. Then what you are saying when you say creationists believe creation is pure you must be referring to that original starting point when all creation was perfect pure and uneffected living together in a perfect pure uneffected environment.

This I agree with
But it's not the case anymore
After Adams fall things changed and nothing remained pure perfect and unaffected

There is no evidence of any organism or environment ever having been perfect at any point in time.

"And I want to ask if before man may have lain with an ape/beast there was no shared common ancestry
And the only evidence that you have to study is from the offspring of two parents that shouldn't have ever come together
Is that a possibility?"

Not even remotely possible. Humans and the other great apes don't even share the same number of chromosomes thanks to one of our (humans) chromosomes having been fused at some point along our evolutionary lineage. You literally can't produce an offspring (not even a sterile offspring) from two individuals that are not of the same species (and in your example/hypothetical, they aren't even in the same genus!)

 

[TBDude65]

Hilarious.

I trust medicine because it has been deemed safe by the FDA, and generally is, or because I know it works. Funny that now I have to belive in evolution to trust medication. I mean...seriously? What a riot.

You create what ever weirdness you *think* works for you, but to me, it appears a desperate means of defense...very desperate.

The development and study of modern medicine is done so from an evolutionary perspective. If you don't understand how, I suggest you crack open a book instead of being smug and arrogant in your ignorance.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The development and study of modern medicine is done so from an evolutionary perspective. If you don't understand how, I suggest you crack open a book instead of being smug and arrogant in your ignorance.

Lovely. lol

And here we go again with the "you don't understand" defense.

You guys really do need some fresh material, and preferably, some that has something more than comedic value.

 

[miknik5]

There is no evidence of any organism or environment ever having been perfect at any point in time.

"And I want to ask if before man may have lain with an ape/beast there was no shared common ancestry
And the only evidence that you have to study is from the offspring of two parents that shouldn't have ever come together
Is that a possibility?"

Not even remotely possible. Humans and the other great apes don't even share the same number of chromosomes thanks to one of our (humans) chromosomes having been fused at some point along our evolutionary lineage. You literally can't produce an offspring (not even a sterile offspring) from two individuals that are not of the same species (and in your example/hypothetical, they aren't even in the same genus!)

A scientist can only go as far back as the physical evidence that he has before him to test to support his theory

I know there's is no evidence if a beginning point

If there was the Big Bang theory would have been proven to be just what it is

 

[TBDude65]

Lovely. lol

And here we go again with the "you don't understand" defense.

You guys really do need some fresh material, and preferably, some that has something more than comedic value.

The alternative is that you should actually crack a book open

 

[TBDude65]

A scientist can only go as far back as the physical evidence that he has before him to test to support his theory

I know there's is no evidence if a beginning point

If there was the Big Bang theory would have been proven to be just what it is

The geologic record houses the history of the Earth and the history of life. So I can go back as far as the rock record allows for on Earth (more than 3 billion years worth of rock) and look at the rocks, fossils, and geochemical signatures.

The Big Bang comment is one I'll ignore for now because this is a different subject with its own evidence and is unrelated to the topics we have been discussing. It appears to be nothing more than a red herring.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The alternative is that you should actually crack a book open

You can't believe that buck hasn't been passed many times already. It's a cop out.

Tell you what, here's your chance to post your proof of evolution right here and now....K?

 

[TBDude65]

You can't believe that buck hasn't been passed many times already. It's a cop out.

Tell you what, here's your chance to post your proof of evolution right here and now....K?

If you want some evidence, I'll give you some you can explore

Here is a good biology focused textbook I have used (both as a student and instructor and this is an older version you can get cheaper): Amazon.com: Evolutionary Analysis (9780132275842): Scott Freeman, Jon C. Herron: Books

And here is another textbook, this one paleontology focused, I have used (once again, both as a student and instructor): https://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Fos...1384&sr=8-2&keywords=bringing+fossils+to+life

 

[Kenny'sID]

If you want some evidence, I'll give you some you can explore

Here is a good biology focused textbook I have used (both as a student and instructor and this is an older version you can get cheaper): Amazon.com: Evolutionary Analysis (9780132275842): Scott Freeman, Jon C. Herron: Books

And here is another textbook, this one paleontology focused, I have used (once again, both as a student and instructor): Bringing Fossils To Life: An Introduction To Paleobiology: Donald Prothero: 9780073661704: Amazon.com: Books

No, I didn't ask for what you consider evidence...let's cut to the chase and you show me proof of evolution, not opinion, not evidence as some see it, but proof.

And no links please, I've wasted far to much time on them in the past, and never once saw what I was supposed to see...state your case here.

 

[miknik5]

The geologic record houses the history of the Earth and the history of life. So I can go back as far as the rock record allows for on Earth (more than 3 billion years worth of rock) and look at the rocks, fossils, and geochemical signatures.

The Big Bang comment is one I'll ignore for now because this is a different subject with its own evidence and is unrelated to the topics we have been discussing. It appears to be nothing more than a red herring.

Thank you for ignoring it
I really wanted to remove it after having said it

 

[TBDude65]

No, I didn't ask for what you consider evidence...let's cut to the chase and you show me proof of evolution, not opinion, not evidence as some see it, but proof.

And no links please, I've wasted far to much time on them in the past, and never once saw what I was supposed to see...state your case here.

You expecting me to send you fossils over the internet in some way? What would you consider evidence considering that we are engaging in conversation in textual form?

 

[miknik5]

The geologic record houses the history of the Earth and the history of life. So I can go back as far as the rock record allows for on Earth (more than 3 billion years worth of rock) and look at the rocks, fossils, and geochemical signatures.

The Big Bang comment is one I'll ignore for now because this is a different subject with its own evidence and is unrelated to the topics we have been discussing. It appears to be nothing more than a red herring.

Only as far as the physical evidence present

 

[Aman777]

If you use medicine, then you are utilizing the truth of the evolutionary relationships among organisms. If you don't believe evolution is true, then your trust in medicine is extremely misplaced.

False. I am utilizing descent with modifications between His (Jesus) kinds and Their (Trinity) kinds. I don't accept the godless term for descent within kinds, since it is a filthy word, made up by men who have rejected the Truth of God's Holy Word. In order to get their satanic message across, they must force teach little children in Public Schools, their False ToE. God Bless you

 

[Kenny'sID]

You expecting me to send you fossils over the internet in some way? What would you consider evidence considering that we are engaging in conversation in textual form?

Evasion #1.

Pictures will do fine if that is part of your proof.

What would you consider evidence considering that we are engaging in conversation in textual form?

I will consider proof of evolution as proof..use whatever evidence you like. Maybe the evidence that is proof to you/scientists would be a good place to start? And explanation of how that evidence is proof

 

[TBDude65]

Only as far as the physical evidence present

I fear that you mean only material evidence and are ignoring the fact that the electromagnetic spectrum is also viable evidence (this applies more to the Big Bang than our understanding of the history of the Earth and life).

And the physical evidence on Earth of the history of life is fantastic. We have exquisitely preserved fossils of nearly every major group of organisms on Earth (some groups of invertebrates, like nematodes and other vermiform organisms, have a dismal body fossil record because they don't preserve well, but even here we have an abundant trace fossil record that we can link to these vermiform organisms). So it isn't a stretch of the imagination in any sense to be able to study the fossil, rock, and geochemical records in enough detail to piece together the evolutionary histories of all the major clades of life on Earth.

 

[miknik5]

If GOD wants to destroy everything completely

Or if GOD wants to preserve what HE wants to preserve

Can't HE?

 

[miknik5]

False. I am utilizing descent with modifications between His (Jesus) kinds and Their (Trinity) kinds. I don't accept the godless term for descent within kinds, since it is a filthy word, made up by men who have rejected the Truth of God's Holy Word. In order to get their satanic message across, they must force teach little children in Public Schools, their False ToE. God Bless you

If GOD expected Adam to be perfect bearing fruit with seed in it according to his kind, HE would have made him exactly as HE had made the other lower created things

But HE didn't

GOD didnt make a stand alone counterpart and mate separate from Adam like HE did for all the other lower created things

But instead GOD took out from the one flesh of the man Adam, a woman..,his counterpart and mate

Man should have been "better equipped" to bear fruit with seed in it according to his likeness since he came from the first man Adam

But he isn't perfect
And the likeness of flesh dies not dictate the inner likeness of each man to be the same in their temperament...

Adam brought forth his female counterpart from his own flesh

And yet her inner spirit was different from her own fleshly "father" who bore her

So tell me how Adam who couldn't even ensure the woman brought forth of his flesh could be in his likeness, how he could ensure that their offspring from their union would be in the likeness of their earthly father

Let alone their heavenly one

 

[TBDude65]

Evasion #1.

Pictures will do fine if that is part of your proof.



I will consider proof of evolution as proof..use whatever evidence you like. Maybe the evidence that is proof to you/scientists would be a good place to start? And explanation of how that evidence is proof

I already gave you that evidence in the form of 2 commonly used textbooks used to present and teach this evidence. There is literally no better place for you to start than those textbooks if you actually want the examples you claim to want.

I can give you pictures of species of Spinatrypa (a brachiopod genus I am working on) as a way of demonstrating the evolutionary relationships within a single clade, but I don't think it'll be as easy for you to follow as simpler examples from the aforementioned textbooks. I attached a first draft of a figure for one of the Spinatrypa species (the individual pictures aren't labeled yet because I haven't gotten that far along yet). These are images of S. hystrix, a species of Spinatrypa that descended from S. trulla and flourished in the northern Appalachian Basin during the Late Devonian. We can look at and compare the morphological traits (internal and external) from S. hystrix and S. trulla and determine that these two species represent the same lineage with the latter being the ancestor of the former. The great thing about doing these studies with brachiopods (and other invertebrates) is that they have easy to identify morphological structures and they are abundant in the rock record. Making it easy to get large sample sizes to be able reliably calculate basic statistics for.

Is that what you want?

 

[TBDude65]

False. I am utilizing descent with modifications between His (Jesus) kinds and Their (Trinity) kinds. I don't accept the godless term for descent within kinds, since it is a filthy word, made up by men who have rejected the Truth of God's Holy Word. In order to get their satanic message across, they must force teach little children in Public Schools, their False ToE. God Bless you

Except...you aren't. The scientists who study and develop the medicines you rely on, wouldn't be able to do the work they do without a competent understanding of the theory of evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

See. Organisms share genes
The parents union is a sharing of their genes and is passed to their offspring

common ancestry results from
the viable offspring which is the product of those two shared parents genes

You want to say an ape and man share a common ancestry

And I want to ask if before man may have lain with an ape/beast there was no shared common ancestry

And the only evidence that you have to study is from the offspring of two parents that shouldn't have ever come together

Is that a possibility?

No, you are trying to do something that is never seen in biology. New species form, but once they are past the point where they cannot produce offspring there is no going back.

By the way, your wording is incorrect. Men are apes, you are an ape. To be specific you are a member of the family of great apes.