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Who will survive the Tribulation?The Tribulation is referred to by Christians as the last 7 years of history before Jesus returns to rule earth. During this time period the Antichrist will come to power, and there will be many natural (and unnatural) disasters, wars, famines, etc. I believe this time is coming very quickly - we can already see some previews in the natural disasters the world has experienced the last few years. But many people do not seem to be worried. Or they expect that they will be one of the lucky few who survive - just like in the movies. But is this a realistic expectation? What are the actual chances of surviving the Tribulation? Here I will attempt to guess at that number, and see what it means for you personally.Number of Deaths per JudgementMost of the disasters which happen during the Tribulation are listed in the book of Revelation. I have already gone into more detail on each disaster in my article here, so for reference you may wish to read that article first. Below I will list each judgement and list how many the Bible says die from it. Then we'll see what percent of the earth's population is left over. I will assume a world population of 7 billion people at the starting point.Seal JudgementsThe Antichrist appears (Revelation 6:1-2): 0 deaths
  1. The beast out of the sea, the Antichrist is revealed
  2. Worldwide war. (Revelation 6:3-4): unknown
  3. Economic collapse. (Revelation 6:5-6): unknown
  4. Death (famine, disease, crime, animal attacks). (Revelation 6:7-8): 1/4 of the world's population = 1.75 billion deaths
  5. Martyrs cry out. (usually interpreted as Antichrist killing Christians) (Revelation 6:9-11): unknown
  6. Earthquake which moves mountains and islands, multiple meteor strikes. (Revelation 6:12-14): unknown
  7. Silence in heaven. (Revelation 8:1-5): 0 deaths
  8. Trumpet Judgements
    1. 1/3 of earth, trees, and plants burned. (Revelation 8:7): unknown
    2. Asteroid impact in ocean - kills 1/3 of sea life and poisons 1/3 of ocean. (Revelation 8:8): unknown
    3. Asteroid impact which poisons 1/3 of fresh water. (Revelation 8:10-11): "Many people died because the water was so bitter" (unknown)
    4. Reduction of sun, moon, and starlight by 1/3. (Revelation 8:12): 0 deaths
    5. Release of supernatural "locusts" (probably demons) which torment people for 5 months. (Revelation 9:1-11): 0 deaths
    6. Deaths of people caused by 200 million war horses and fire, smoke, and sulfur: possibly nuclear war. (Revelation 9:13-19): 1/3 of remaining world's population = 1.75 billion deaths
    7. Earthquake, hail, lightning, thunder. (Revelation 11:19): unknown
    8. Bowl Judgements
      1. Painful sores for people with Mark of the Beast. (Revelation 16:1-2): 0 deaths
      2. All sea life dies, all oceans become like blood. (Revelation 16:3): unknown
      3. All rivers and streams become like blood. (Revelation 16:4): unknown
      4. Sun intensifies and scorches people. (Revelation 16:8): 0 deaths
      5. Darkness on Antichrist's kingdom, painful sores on people. (Revelation 16:10): 0 deaths
      6. River Euphrates dries up, battle of Armageddon. (Revelation 16:12-16): unknown
      7. Worst earthquake of all history, 100 pound hailstones. (Revelation 16:17-21): unknown
      8. Out of all these judgements, the Bible only mentions 1/4 of the world's population dying in Seal #4, and 1/3 of the remaining world population dies in Trumpet #6. Put together, these two judgements alone kill 3.5 billion people (50% of today's world population). This is equivalent to the entire countries of China, India, and the United States
[1], plus still 1 billion other people. Already, the chances of surviving these two judgements is less than 50%.

Estimates for Various DisastersThis 3.5 billion calculated above does not count the many other deaths which are not given numerical values. I will place some estimates here for the judgements where the number of deaths are not listed.Various WarsThe wars in Seal #2 may possibly include the Gog-Magog war which says it will take Israel 7 months to bury all of the dead foreign soldiers (Ezekiel 29:12). The Battle of Armageddon will be the largest in history and will involve European as well as Asian forces. I would guess probably at least a few million solders, and they basically all get wiped out when Jesus returns with his saints and angels (Revelation 19:21). So if you manage to avoid being drafted during these wars, maybe you have a better chance at surviving these battles. Starvation Many of the judgments will make it hard to find food and water. The destruction of sea life in Trumpet #2 and Bowl #2, freshwater life in Trumpet #3 and Bowl #3 will make it impossible to eat seafood, and the turning of sea and lake water to blood will probably make it hard or impossible to irrigate crops. I suspect they may invent a form of distillation which will make some water drinkable since people cannot survive more than 3 days without water, and life goes on for at least a few years under these conditions. However, it will probably be expensive and the poorest people will probably die from starvation or thirst. In Trumpet #3 it says many people die from the "bitter" water. In my article here, I suspect some water may be contaminated with sulphuric acid from a meteor strike.

The sun is also darkened by 1/3 in Trumpet #4 - this would again make it more difficult to grow crops. The economic collapse in Seal #3 would probably lead to at least some deaths from people who cannot afford to buy food.Currently in our world where things are going relatively well, 36 million people die each year of starvation [2]. In the Tribulation, this number will probably double or triple. If we assume say 70 million people per year die from lack of food in the Tribulation, that would total another 490 million deaths over 7 years. Our total is now up to around 4 billion deaths.Christian MartyrsThere are still all the Christian Martyrs to be accounted for. Beginning in Seal #5 the Antichrist will probably start to kill off the Christians who resist him. The beast (the Antichrist) "was allowed to fight against God's people and defeat them." (Revelation 13:7). Also "Everyone who refused to worship the idol of the beast was put to death."(Revelation 13:15). We know these people who refused to worship the Beast were Christians because "I also saw the souls of the people who had their heads cut off because they had told about Jesus and preached God's message. They were the same one who had not worshiped the beast or the idol, and they had refused to let its mark be put on their hands or foreheads."(Revelation 20:4). John sees a vision of a "large crowd with more people than could be counted, from every race, tribe, nation, and language" (Revelation 7:9) in heaven who had "gone through the great suffering and washed their robes in the blood of the lamb"(Revelation 7:14).Currently there are 2 billion people on earth who identify as Christian or Catholic [3]. A portion of those will be Raptured before the Tribulation.

Unfortunately, it will probably not even be 50%. According to Barna, only 9% of American "Christians" actually have a Biblical worldview [4]. This group only had to meet a few criteria: "defined as believing that absolute moral truth exists; the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches; Satan is considered to be a real being or force, not merely symbolic; a person cannot earn their way into Heaven by trying to be good or do good works; Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; and God is the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the world who still rules the universe today."[4]. This is just the most basic outline of Christianity, yet only 9% of Americans (supposedly a "Christian nation") are actually Christian in their beliefs!. So there will most likely be plenty of people left on earth after the Rapture who thought they were Christian, yet were Christian in name only. Perhaps the Rapture will wake them up and they will take their faith more seriously, and will probably have a high chance of being martyred for it. There will also be many new Christian converts during the Tribulation.Let's assume that perhaps 30% of the left-behind Christians wake up and are martyred for their faith (the rest will probably follow the Antichrist and the false world religion - Revelation 13:8-15), and perhaps gain an extra 15% of new converts. That's 200 million raptured (10%) and so we are left with 1.8 billion "Christians" after the Rapture. Only 30% keep their faith (540 million), and 15% new converts (270 million) = 810 million Christians. Let's assume not all of them die - perhaps 5% (40 million) of these will escape the Antichrist and survive the 7 year Tribulation. This gives us a total of 770 million Christian martyrs. This would certainly match the "crowd too large to be counted" that John saw in his vision. These numbers are just my estimates, and there could be a larger number who are Raptured, or a larger number who convert after the Rapture.Various DisastersAlready, we are at 4.76 of 7 billion people dead during the Tribulation.

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I'm concerned about our cats actually. People have a choice right now, but the cats ( name your pet, we have cats) are probably "left behind". If there is no pretrib rapture, then ya we all go through the Great Tribulation, not to be confused with every day tribulation. This is tribulation like the world has never seen nor will see again. Expect to die in the body, we are all doing that anyway and I don't know about you but my soul belongs to Jesus Christ already so I know where I'll be absent of the body.. Do you ? Scripture says for the saved, absent from the body is to be present with the Lord !! I can tell you from what I view on this board that many here are not saved.

For those who are, What's to fear then ? We know our eternity either way. But oh ya, when that tribulation comes, this world is getting turned upside down and every knee will bow to the Lord by the end of it all. With Out Doubt !
 
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I'm concerned about our cats actually. People have a choice right now, but the cats ( name your pet, we have cats) are probably "left behind". If there is no pretrib rapture, then ya we all go through the Great Tribulation, not to be confused with every day tribulation. This is tribulation like the world has never seen nor will see again. Expect to die in the body, we are all doing that anyway and I don't know about you but my soul belongs to Jesus Christ already so I know where I'll be absent of the body.. Do you ? Scripture says for the saved, absent from the body is to be present with the Lord !! I can tell you from what I view on this board that many here are not saved.

For those who are, What's to fear then ? We know our eternity either way. But oh ya, when that tribulation comes, this world is getting turned upside down and every knee will bow to the Lord by the end of it all. With Out Doubt !


Thanks for your input, Dave. When believer die physicallt, Jesus immediately raises us to heaven with Him, as recorded in 2 Cor.5:6-8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Verification of that comes at the time Jesus returns from heaven for His Church, WITH THEM. as recorded in 1 Thess.4:14 and 16-17. The assurance of the rapture of the Churchall believers, BEFORE the tribulation begins is documented in the following four post link. Why don't you review it careully and see for yourself.

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Thanks for your input, Dave. When believer die physicallt, Jesus immediately raises us to heaven with Him, as recorded in 2 Cor.5:6-8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Verification of that comes at the time Jesus returns from heaven for His Church, WITH THEM. as recorded in 1 Thess.4:14 and 16-17. The assurance of the rapture of the Churchall believers, BEFORE the tribulation begins is documented in the following four post link. Why don't you review it careully and see for yourself.

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Quasar92, I'm a pre trib believer. I said what i said above about "if' there is to be no pre trib because many believe in mid or post trib and they think they have the scriptures to prove it. Lets put it this way, pretrib is not found in Matthew 24.
 
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The tribulation will be worldwide

I believe it will be just be mainly centered in Israel, and especially Judea and Jerusalem. IMHO
Luke 23:
28 and Jesus having turned unto them, said, 'Daughters of Jerusalem! weep not for Me, but for yourselves weep ye, and for your children;
29 For behold, the days are coming in which they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.'
30 then they shall begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us, and to the hills, Cover us
; --[Reve 6:16]
Luk 21:21
“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb" [Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]
 
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The tribulation will be worldwide

I believe it will be just be mainly centered in Israel, and especially Judea and Jerusalem. IMHO
Luke 23:
28 and Jesus having turned unto them, said, 'Daughters of Jerusalem! weep not for Me, but for yourselves weep ye, and for your children;
29 For behold, the days are coming in which they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.'
30 then they shall begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us, and to the hills, Cover us
; --[Reve 6:16]
Luk 21:21
“Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb" [Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]


Hi LLOJ.

The fact of the mtter is, the tribulation is very much worldwide, as the lengthy red below clearly attests. Thanks for your input.

Who will survive the Tribulation?The Tribulation is referred to by Christians as the last 7 years of history before Jesus returns to rule earth. During this time period the Antichrist will come to power, and there will be many natural (and unnatural) disasters, wars, famines, etc. I believe this time is coming very quickly - we can already see some previews in the natural disasters the world has experienced the last few years. But many people do not seem to be worried. Or they expect that they will be one of the lucky few who survive - just like in the movies. But is this a realistic expectation? What are the actual chances of surviving the Tribulation? Here I will attempt to guess at that number, and see what it means for you personally.Number of Deaths per JudgementMost of the disasters which happen during the Tribulation are listed in the book of Revelation. I have already gone into more detail on each disaster in my article here, so for reference you may wish to read that article first. Below I will list each judgement and list how many the Bible says die from it. Then we'll see what percent of the earth's population is left over. I will assume a world population of 7 billion people at the starting point.Seal JudgementsThe Antichrist appears (Revelation 6:1-2): 0 deaths
  1. The beast out of the sea, the Antichrist is revealed
  2. Worldwide war. (Revelation 6:3-4): unknown
  3. Economic collapse. (Revelation 6:5-6): unknown
  4. Death (famine, disease, crime, animal attacks). (Revelation 6:7-8): 1/4 of the world's population = 1.75 billion deaths
  5. Martyrs cry out. (usually interpreted as Antichrist killing Christians) (Revelation 6:9-11): unknown
  6. Earthquake which moves mountains and islands, multiple meteor strikes. (Revelation 6:12-14): unknown
  7. Silence in heaven. (Revelation 8:1-5): 0 deaths
  8. Trumpet Judgements
    1. 1/3 of earth, trees, and plants burned. (Revelation 8:7): unknown
    2. Asteroid impact in ocean - kills 1/3 of sea life and poisons 1/3 of ocean. (Revelation 8:8): unknown
    3. Asteroid impact which poisons 1/3 of fresh water. (Revelation 8:10-11): "Many people died because the water was so bitter" (unknown)
    4. Reduction of sun, moon, and starlight by 1/3. (Revelation 8:12): 0 deaths
    5. Release of supernatural "locusts" (probably demons) which torment people for 5 months. (Revelation 9:1-11): 0 deaths
    6. Deaths of people caused by 200 million war horses and fire, smoke, and sulfur: possibly nuclear war. (Revelation 9:13-19): 1/3 of remaining world's population = 1.75 billion deaths
    7. Earthquake, hail, lightning, thunder. (Revelation 11:19): unknown
    8. Bowl Judgements
      1. Painful sores for people with Mark of the Beast. (Revelation 16:1-2): 0 deaths
      2. All sea life dies, all oceans become like blood. (Revelation 16:3): unknown
      3. All rivers and streams become like blood. (Revelation 16:4): unknown
      4. Sun intensifies and scorches people. (Revelation 16:8): 0 deaths
      5. Darkness on Antichrist's kingdom, painful sores on people. (Revelation 16:10): 0 deaths
      6. River Euphrates dries up, battle of Armageddon. (Revelation 16:12-16): unknown
      7. Worst earthquake of all history, 100 pound hailstones. (Revelation 16:17-21): unknown
      8. Out of all these judgements, the Bible only mentions 1/4 of the world's population dying in Seal #4, and 1/3 of the remaining world population dies in Trumpet #6. Put together, these two judgements alone kill 3.5 billion people (50% of today's world population). This is equivalent to the entire countries of China, India, and the United States
[1], plus still 1 billion other people. Already, the chances of surviving these two judgements is less than 50%.

Estimates for Various DisastersThis 3.5 billion calculated above does not count the many other deaths which are not given numerical values. I will place some estimates here for the judgements where the number of deaths are not listed.Various WarsThe wars in Seal #2 may possibly include the Gog-Magog war which says it will take Israel 7 months to bury all of the dead foreign soldiers (Ezekiel 29:12). The Battle of Armageddon will be the largest in history and will involve European as well as Asian forces. I would guess probably at least a few million solders, and they basically all get wiped out when Jesus returns with his saints and angels (Revelation 19:21). So if you manage to avoid being drafted during these wars, maybe you have a better chance at surviving these battles. Starvation Many of the judgments will make it hard to find food and water. The destruction of sea life in Trumpet #2 and Bowl #2, freshwater life in Trumpet #3 and Bowl #3 will make it impossible to eat seafood, and the turning of sea and lake water to blood will probably make it hard or impossible to irrigate crops. I suspect they may invent a form of distillation which will make some water drinkable since people cannot survive more than 3 days without water, and life goes on for at least a few years under these conditions. However, it will probably be expensive and the poorest people will probably die from starvation or thirst. In Trumpet #3 it says many people die from the "bitter" water. In my article here, I suspect some water may be contaminated with sulphuric acid from a meteor strike.

The sun is also darkened by 1/3 in Trumpet #4 - this would again make it more difficult to grow crops. The economic collapse in Seal #3 would probably lead to at least some deaths from people who cannot afford to buy food.Currently in our world where things are going relatively well, 36 million people die each year of starvation [2]. In the Tribulation, this number will probably double or triple. If we assume say 70 million people per year die from lack of food in the Tribulation, that would total another 490 million deaths over 7 years. Our total is now up to around 4 billion deaths.Christian MartyrsThere are still all the Christian Martyrs to be accounted for. Beginning in Seal #5 the Antichrist will probably start to kill off the Christians who resist him. The beast (the Antichrist) "was allowed to fight against God's people and defeat them." (Revelation 13:7). Also "Everyone who refused to worship the idol of the beast was put to death."(Revelation 13:15). We know these people who refused to worship the Beast were Christians because "I also saw the souls of the people who had their heads cut off because they had told about Jesus and preached God's message. They were the same one who had not worshiped the beast or the idol, and they had refused to let its mark be put on their hands or foreheads."(Revelation 20:4). John sees a vision of a "large crowd with more people than could be counted, from every race, tribe, nation, and language" (Revelation 7:9) in heaven who had "gone through the great suffering and washed their robes in the blood of the lamb"(Revelation 7:14).Currently there are 2 billion people on earth who identify as Christian or Catholic [3]. A portion of those will be Raptured before the Tribulation.

Unfortunately, it will probably not even be 50%. According to Barna, only 9% of American "Christians" actually have a Biblical worldview [4]. This group only had to meet a few criteria: "defined as believing that absolute moral truth exists; the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches; Satan is considered to be a real being or force, not merely symbolic; a person cannot earn their way into Heaven by trying to be good or do good works; Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; and God is the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the world who still rules the universe today."[4]. This is just the most basic outline of Christianity, yet only 9% of Americans (supposedly a "Christian nation") are actually Christian in their beliefs!. So there will most likely be plenty of people left on earth after the Rapture who thought they were Christian, yet were Christian in name only. Perhaps the Rapture will wake them up and they will take their faith more seriously, and will probably have a high chance of being martyred for it. There will also be many new Christian converts during the Tribulation.Let's assume that perhaps 30% of the left-behind Christians wake up and are martyred for their faith (the rest will probably follow the Antichrist and the false world religion - Revelation 13:8-15), and perhaps gain an extra 15% of new converts. That's 200 million raptured (10%) and so we are left with 1.8 billion "Christians" after the Rapture. Only 30% keep their faith (540 million), and 15% new converts (270 million) = 810 million Christians. Let's assume not all of them die - perhaps 5% (40 million) of these will escape the Antichrist and survive the 7 year Tribulation. This gives us a total of 770 million Christian martyrs. This would certainly match the "crowd too large to be counted" that John saw in his vision. These numbers are just my estimates, and there could be a larger number who are Raptured, or a larger number who convert after the Rapture.Various DisastersAlready, we are at 4.76 of 7 billion people dead during the Tribulation.

This still does not include the deaths of people from the earthquakes, hailstones, asteroids, and wildfires which make up the rest of the judgements. Even a relatively localized earthquake can cause massive destruction as we saw happen in Haiti in 2010. The Haiti earthquake in 2010 was estimated to cause between 50,000 and 300,000 deaths [5]. The earthquakes in the Tribulation will be worldwide and much worse than this one. I would guess probably 100 million dead from these earthquakes, and probably developed countries will do better than poor ones. This brings us up to 4.86 million deaths total in the Tribulation.The asteroids will probably be smaller than the ones in the movies Armageddon or Deep Impact, but they will still probably cause some deaths. There aren't really any good stats about deaths vs. asteroid impacts since asteroid impacts are quite rare. Probably the best stats we have are from one asteroid which exploded over Russia back in 1908 [6]. It was estimated as being "1,000 times as powerful as the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima". "The explosion knocked over an estimated 80 million trees covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi). It is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale. An explosion of this magnitude is capable of destroying a large metropolitan area."[6]. This asteroid was only maybe a few "tens of meters" across - so perhaps as large as a football field. Maybe this will be the approximate size of the smaller meteors in Seal #6, which are described as "figs" (Revelation 6:13).

However, the asteroid described in the Trumpet #2 is called a "fiery mountain" (Revelation 8:8). This could be significantly larger than the one that hit Russia, but fortunately it lands in the ocean. It would probably cause a tsunami and depending on the exact size and impact location it could bring quite a bit of destruction. Let's assume perhaps another 500 million dead from the effects of the asteroids. That brings us up to about 5.4 billion dead from the whole Tribulation.Total Approximate Deaths During the TribulationBased on the Bible and analysis of the various wars, famines, disasters, and various other events of the Tribulation, I have estimated that the total number of deaths over the 7 year period will be approximately 5.4 billion people, assuming a starting population of 7 billion. This means you have about a 23% chance of making it through the Tribulation. This is not including the probably several million who will die from the various other disasters which we were unable to estimate, so it might even be lower than that. Your chances of surviving the Tribulation will probably be slightly higher if you do not get drafted into the military and are not a Christian.What Happens After The Tribulation?Congratulations - you have somehow managed to survive the Tribulation. But wait... there is one last thing you'll have to survive in order to make it into the Millennium (the time period of 1000 years after the Tribulation - Revelation 20:1-6). When Jesus comes back and sets up his kingdom on earth, he will judge all those who have survived. "When the Son of Man comes in his glory with all of his angels, he will sit on his royal throne. The people of all nations will be brought before him."(Matthew 15:31-32).

Here all the survivors of the Tribulation will be judged personally by Jesus. He will either say "My father has blessed you! Come and receive the kingdom that was prepared for you before the world was created."(Matthew 25:34) or he will say "Get away from me! You are under God's curse. Go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels!"(Matthew 25:41). What will Jesus use as the judgement criteria? "When I was hungry, you gave me something to eat, and when I was thirsty you gave me something to drink. When I was a stranger, you welcomed me, and when I was naked, you gave me clothes to wear. When I was sick, you took care of me, and when I was in jail you visited me" (Matthew 25:25-36 and Matthew 10:40-42).So it seems that this judgement is not necessarily based on being a Christian. Instead, Jesus views people's actions during the Tribulation towards the persecuted Christians and the 144,000 special Jews as being done towards Himself. If you help them, it's like you helped Jesus, and the reward is you may enter the Millennium. If you did not help them, then you are thrown into the Lake of Fire, where the Antichrist, False Prophet, and eventually Satan and the demons will end up (Revelation 19:20 and 20:14-15). Interestingly, this type of judgement is part of the original Covenant that God made with Abraham: "I will bless anyone who blesses you (Israel), but I will put a curse on anyone who puts a curse on you (Israel)."(Genesis 12:3).We have estimated 1.6 billion Tribulation survivors.

The number who will be judged by Jesus will be much lower, as anyone who took the Mark of the Beast will be "tortured with fire and burning sulfur" (Revelation 14:10) which is probably the Lake of Fire. So since the majority of people may have taken the Mark, perhaps only 10% (160 million) of people managed to survive without the Mark during the Tribulation. Then, of that group perhaps only 50% (80 million) would have helped a Christian or Jew. So this 80 million, plus the perhaps 40 million Christian survivors (as estimated earlier) makes a total of 120 million people who would be allowed to live in the Millennium and repopulate the world. During this time these people will have kids and will be ruled under the government of Jesus.Total World Population at the Beginning of the MillenniumSo now if we see the chances of a person surviving not only the Tribulation, but the judgement afterwards, it decreases to 120 million out of 7 billion people, which is about 1.7%. 98.3% of the world's population will have been killed from the wars and disasters, or will be condemned to the lake of fire for taking the Mark of the Beast or not passing Jesus' judgement. Only 120 million will enter the Millennium under Jesus' rule. However, that is not the end of humanity. People will repopulate, and the world population in the Millennium may grow to dwarf what we experience now. Under the Millennium nature will be restored and it will be easier to grow food (Amos 9:13). People will also live longer and be able to have more kids in a lifetime (Isaiah 65:21-25). These two factors will allow the population to quickly recover and surpass the levels before the Tribulation.So why should you care?So what does all this have to do with you?

Besides being perhaps theoretically interesting to Christian end-times scholars, would any other people care? I think people should care. If you are a Christian now (and a real Christian - not one who is Christian in name only, but actually believes it and loves Jesus) then you don't have to worry about all of this. Jesus comes to take all the real Christians to heaven in the Rapture before the Tribulation begins. If you don't know for sure if you would be Raptured, now is a good time to think and pray about it and work on your relationship with Jesus. Then you can feel secure and not be afraid when there are disasters all around us, even before the Tribulation starts. If you are a Christian now, then you need to think about those around you who are not. If you have friends or family who are not Christian they will probably die during the Tribulation. It's important that you tell them now how to avoid it and accept Jesus as their saviour.If you're not a Christian, this should be a warning to you. There is only a small chance that you'll make it through the disasters of the Tribulation, and an even smaller chance of making it into the Millennium. If the Tribulation starts, there is a very high chance that you will die in the next 7 years. And if you're not a Christian when you die, then you will end up in hell forever. God doesn't want this to happen - God wants you to accept him today, before any judgements begin. Even if you don't make up your mind for Jesus until the Rapture happens, which means you may die from the disasters or be killed by the Antichrist, it is much better to believe in Jesus than to end up in hell. This is a warning that you need to think about what is important and to consider what may happen when you die - you might even die tomorrow. I believe the Tribulation is approaching quickly, and the Rapture could happen anytime. Please consider learning more about Jesus and how to be saved before it's too late. A couple of introductory articles I have written on how to follow Jesus are written here and here.References[1] Wikipedia.org - List of

Countries by Population

[2] Wikipedia.org - Starvation
[3] Wikipedia.org - World Religions: Largest Religions or Belief Systems By Number of Adherents
[4] Barna: Changes in Worldview Among Christians Over Past 13 Years
[5] Wikipedia.org - Casualties of the 2010 Haiti Earthquake
[6] Wikipedia.org - Tunguska Event

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I believe it will be just be mainly centered in Israel, and especially Judea and Jerusalem. IMHO...............
The Troubles of Jacob speaks about Israel. The Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath) will be world wide and thus many will be in peril. But Christians are Raptued.
The 1.5 to 2 billion who are killed will mostly be Muslims, who I think will resit.
And how do you arrive at that conclusion concerning just Muslims?
Hi LLOJ.
The fact of the mtter is, the tribulation is very much worldwide, as the lengthy red below clearly attests. Thanks for your input.........................*snip*
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If you say so.

THE TRIBULATION WILL NOT BE WORLD WIDE | Right Word Truth
THE TRIBULATION WILL NOT BE WORLD WIDE

I realize that most Christians today believe that the tribulation will be worldwide. I believe, however that there are several reasons why the student of God’s Word should question that widely held view.

THE JEWISH CHARACTER OF REVELATION

One reason to question the view that the tribulation will be world wide is the extremely Jewish character of the book of Revelation, which is the most extensive writing in the Bible about the tribulation.............................

...........There are several reasons for my belief that the context limits this entire scene geographically. 1) The entire world will not see the dead bodies in Jerusalem, even with TV. 2) Those who were tormented will rejoice. Who are they? They are unbelievers of Israel. How do we know that? The Greek “ge” translated “earth” in verse 10 often means the land of Israel. Given that the two witnesses preached in Jerusalem, I believe we may conclude that Israel was where they tormented unbelievers of Israel. 3) The earthquake was limited to Jerusalem, which fits the conclusion that this entire scene dealt with those of the land of Israel...................

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I believe it will be just be mainly centered in Israel, and especially Judea and Jerusalem. IMHO

That sounds good. I'm too tired to argue with you right now:

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD - Bible.ca
www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
By George Peter Holford (Written in 1805). "I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation, if there were nothing else to support .............

Yes, a middle east tribulation zone would be very convenient. My ears are itching, tell me more.

What will we be doing over here while Jerusalem has the greatest tribulation that the ever was, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. :)
 
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And how do you arrive at that conclusion concerning just Muslims?
Fairly easily, they this very day blow themselves up to stop what they think is Gods (Allah) will from being tarnished. All Christians, except the foolish Virgin types, will be Raptured. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGIONS, and the Kings kill off all False Religions in Rev. 17:16 or THE HARLOT. That happens in Rev. ch. 6.

I don't see Hindus or Buddhists resisting unto death. The Christians who become Martyrs will, and 2/3 of Jews will die, the Liberals will worship this Dictator, he will bring forth most of their perverted values.

The Muslims will have to be Defeated.
 
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Yes, a middle east tribulation zone would be very convenient. My ears are itching, tell me more.
Yeah, lot of itchy ears around on CF:

ears itching 3.jpg


What will we be doing over here while Jerusalem has the greatest tribulation that the ever was, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. :)
I will probably be watching it on TV like I did with the Gulf War event. What will you be doing?

Zephaniah 1:15
That day is a day of wrath,
A day of distress<6869> and constaint<4691>,
A day of devastation and desolation, A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,


Luke 21:23
“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress<318> in the land
and wrath upon this people.


Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

Revelation 9:6
And in those days men shall seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.....

.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ;........
At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes.





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What will we be doing over here while Jerusalem has the greatest tribulation that the ever was, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. :)

I was being sarcastic when i wrote that because i knew you were partial to preterism.

I don't really think Jerusalem will be doing the time of trouble by itself. It's a time of trial that will come upon the whole world as a snare.

ALL the tribes of the earth will mourn.

I will probably be watching it on TV like I did with the Gulf War event. What will you be doing?

That's a good question. I certainly won't be watching it on TV, i haven't had one since 2006.

Right now i have the hope that, while it will be the worst time since there ever was a nation, no, nor ever shall be, I think it's going to be fast. Behold you will have tribulation for ten days.

"Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
So while i fear it to be extremely bad, i don't think we'll need to hide under the table with seven years worth of Doritos.

I think our part will be measured in days, and then pow, we are lighting up the stratosphere, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.

I think we are watching the worst of it from the sky. We won't be the tribes of the earth anymore. We will be gone for Armageddon, the Vials, and the great wine press.

We will be in the air with Jesus and the angels when He turns to us and says:

(“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”)​

The thief can come with some awful destructive attributes.

But we stayed awake.

We got the Garments on.

We are not exposed.
 
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Right now i have the hope that, while it will be the worst time since there ever was a nation, no, nor ever shall be, I think it's going to be fast. Behold you will have tribulation for ten days.
"Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
So while i fear it to be extremely bad, i don't think we'll need to hide under the table with seven years worth of Doritos.

I think our part will be measured in days, and then pow, we are lighting up the stratosphere, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.

I think we are watching the worst of it from the sky. We won't be the tribes of the earth anymore. We will be gone for Armageddon, the Vials, and the great wine press.
We will be in the air with Jesus and the angels when He turns to us and says:

(“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”)​

The thief can come with some awful destructive attributes.

But we stayed awake.

We got the Garments on.

We are not exposed.
This is about the most fanciful and unbiblical idea of what will happen at the end times, as I have ever seen.
How and when do you get the white robes', DW? Before or after any Judgement?
 
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This is about the most fanciful and unbiblical idea of what will happen at the end times, as I have ever seen.

Think i'm smokin the wacky tabacky?

The composite beast has opened it's mouth to legalize the cannabis up here in my neck of the woods.

How and when do you get the white robes', DW? Before or after any Judgement?

Before.

We are not the "tribes of the earth".

We do not come into judgement, as having passed from death into life.

"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.​

I remember everything Keras. I remember you hate it when i post the Script. Because you say you already have a Bible and can remember it all.

We are wearing the white robes, as Jesus turns to us and confirms it. We are Blessed. Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on.

The tribes of the earth at that point are NOT blessed. They are headed for the great wine press.

We will be on the way to New Jerusalem.

The Father's House has much room.

A Place has been prepared.

It waits for you now.

Keep the full armor on.
 
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Dave Watchman said:
What will we be doing over here while Jerusalem has the greatest tribulation that the ever was, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. :)
I will probably be watching it on TV like I did with the Gulf War event. What will you be doing?
I was being sarcastic when i wrote that because i knew you were partial to preterism.
Yeah I figured LOL.
Yes I am Preterist and always have been..... [pssst...just don't let anyone else know that :p]
I don't really think Jerusalem will be doing the time of trouble by itself.
It's a time of trial that will come upon the whole world as a snare.
ALL the tribes of the earth will mourn.
Earth can mean land, such as the land of Israel and Judea, but the fulfillment of the event has affected the whole world since, especially the spread of Christianity:

"OIKOUMENE"(#G3625) In Olivet Discourse and Revelation. Mistranslated?
oikoumene<3625>

Unfortunately, the common Jews also had to suffer the 1st century tribulation and wrath along with the corrupt murderous Priesthood;

Hosea 5:1
“Hear this, O priests! Take heed, O house of Israel!
Give ear, O house of the king! For yours is the judgment,
Because you have been a snare to Mizpah And a net spread on Tabor.
Mat 26:3
Then the chief priests, the scribes,[fn] and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
Mat 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath to come?
Matt 23:33 "Serpents! brood of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

This make me wonder how many Priests were in and around Jerusalem during the siege?
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
.....For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down........whereupon Titus commanded that they should be put to death.
Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

That's a good question. I certainly won't be watching it on TV, i haven't had one since 2006.
No worries. There were no tvs for the Jews to watch in the final years leading up to 70ad and consummation of the OC Age.
Right now i have the hope that, while it will be the worst time since there ever was a nation, no, nor ever shall be, I think it's going to be fast. Behold you will have tribulation for ten days.
"Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
That passage has always interested me so I created a thread on it. [It didn't garner much interest :(]​

Revelation 2:10: thrown in prison, tribulation 10 days

While harmonizing the Olivet Discourse on another thread, I ran into a word that Luke uses, prisons.

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...and-luke-21-harmonized.8076438/#post-73042736

It is used 3 times in Revelation, 1 concerning the Devil , 1 concerning Mystery Babylon one concerning the Dragon being loosed from his prison.

Prison/cage: #5438 Reve 2:10, 18:2, 20:7

Is the 10 days a literal 10 days or some other amount of time?

Revelation 2:
9 I have known thy works, and tribulation, and poverty — yet thou art rich — and the blasphemy of those saying themselves to be Jews and are not, but [are] a synagogue of the Satan.
10 ‘Be not afraid of the things that thou art about to suffer, behold!
the Devil is about to cast of you to prison<5438>,

that ye may be tried,
and ye shall have tribulation ten days;
become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the crown of the life.


John 8:44
Ye are of your father the Devil, and the desires of your father you desire to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him...............


Luke 21 mentions both synagogues and prisons.........

Luke 21:12
and before all these, they shall lay on you their hands, and persecute ye,
delivering up ye to synagogues and prisons<5438>,





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We do not come into judgement, as having passed from death into life.
My post #14: confirmed.
Just note that those who refuse discipline or expect to become immortal without any trials or Judgment, are not the children of God. Hebrews 12:7-9, 1 Peter 4:12
 
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Dave Watchman said:
Right now i have the hope that, while it will be the worst time since there ever was a nation, no, nor ever shall be, I think it's going to be fast. Behold you will have tribulation for ten days.
According to Josephus and Revelation 9:5, the 70ad siege and holocaust of Jerusalem lasted only 5 months, and the City looked like an atom bomb had been dropped on it by the time of the final full demolishing of it.............

Matthew 24
19 And woe to those with child, and to those giving suck in those days;
22 And if those days were not shortened no flesh would have been saved; but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened

Mark 13
17
“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 and if the Lord did not shorten the days, no flesh had been saved;
but because of the chosen, whom He did choose to Himself, He did shorten the days.

Luke 21:
22 “For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."


Revelation 9:5 And was given to them that not they should be killing them, but that they should be being tormented five months

And the torment of them as torment of a scorpion whenever it should be striking a man;


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

...............This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A.D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the City on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding................

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! -

Revelation 9: tormented 5 months and scorpions




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Death (famine, disease, crime, animal attacks). (Revelation 6:7-8): 1/4 of the world's population = 1.75 billion deaths
Luke 21:11 of the 70ad Jerusalem discourse is the only place in the NT that "pestilence/s" occurs and that is in Israel, not the world:

3061. loimos of uncertain affinity;
a plague (literally, the disease, or figuratively, a pest):--pestilence(-t).

Luk 21:11

There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences<3061>.
And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.


However, Luke also uses another word of that: "sore/s".

Luk 16:20

“But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores<1669>, who was laid at his gate,

1668. helkos hel'-kos probably from 1670; an ulcer (as if drawn together):--sore.
1669. helkoo hel-ko'-o from 1668; to cause to ulcerate, i.e. (passively) be ulcerous:--full of sores.

Rev 16:11

2 and the first did go away, and did pour out his vial upon the land, and there came a sore -- bad and grievous -- to men, those having the mark of the beast, and those bowing to his image.
11 and they did blaspheme the God of the heaven, from their pains, and from their sores, and they did not reform from their works.

Isa 3:17
Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion;
the LORD will make their scalps bald.”
Isa 4:4
The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion;
he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit[fn] of judgment and a spirit[fn] of fire.



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