The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[1stcenturylady]

Reread my post quoting rom8:9&10

Paul clearly states WHATEVER commands there might be are fulfilled by love.

You will have to twist scripture once agaun won't you

Was this post from love????

You boys need to think about your posts.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I did not write 1 John 5:16-17. Take it up with God if you do not like it.


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So now you refuse to accept to be righteous under the law requires perfect obedience of it

 

[1stcenturylady]

Just so that you understand where I am coming from:
I believe this is talking about the Old Law. Also, in Philippians Paul is recounting his experience of being within the "False Pharisee Religion", as well.

The word "law" is usually surrounded by talk about circumcision or the Law of Moses and not all law in general or New Covenant Law. In fact, the commands or laws in the New Testament were not even completely written out yet when Paul was writing to the various different churches.


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I was quoting stuart's post to me. But I do want to talk to you about the law of sin and death. That is not talking about circumcision as you suppose. It IS talking about the moral law that we had to keep in our own strength before Jesus. The New Covenant is the law of the Spirit. They are the same laws, but kept in a new way. No more struggle, and it goes deeper than the surface actions. It goes to the heart. murder/hate. adultery/lust.

This is why the law of the Spirit has freed me from the law of sin and death.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Was this post from love????

You boys need to think about your posts.

I think you need to think about yours also.
You seem keen to set yourself apart from Jason and I. Some may consider it pointing the finger whilst giving the Impressionyou are far more Godly than others
I'm sure you wouldn't want to do that would you
BTW
I dont sin by claiming to be perfect in theflesh

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So now you refuse to accept to be righteous under the law requires perfect obedience of it

James is talking about the Royal Law or the Law of Love in James 2.
It is why he was telling us not to have respect of persons in the beginning of the chapter.
It would break the law of love if we take favor with believers who appear to be rich versus those who are poor looking. He says if you break this law (i.e. the law of love), you break all of God's laws. By no means is James saying if you fail to obey other commands like "pray without ceasing" it relates to spiritual death or the breaking of all of God's laws.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I was quoting stuart's post to me.

Understood. I was still clarifying to you and others what I believe on this passage by your post, though.
But thank you for saying.

May God bless you this fine day.


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[stuart lawrence]

James is talking about the Royal Law or the Law of Love in James 2.
It is why he was telling us not to have respect of persons in the beginning of the chapter.
It would break the law of love if we take favor with believers who appear to be rich versus those who are poor looking. He says if you break this law (i.e. the law of love), you break all of God's laws. By no means is James saying if you fail to obey other commands like "pray without ceasing" relates to spiritual death.


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For whoever keeps the WHOLE law yet stumbles at JUST ONE POINT is guilty of breaking all of it
James2:10

You really must stop twisting and ignoring s rupture as you do Jason In order to justify yourself under yourlaw of righteousness

 

[1stcenturylady]

I think you need to think about yours also.
You seem keen to set yourself apart from Jason and I. Some may consider it pointing the finger whilst giving the Impressionyou are far more Godly than others
I'm sure you wouldn't want to do that would you
BTW
I dont sin by claiming to be perfect in theflesh

Would you feel better if I swore?

 

[JLB777]

They did not practice what they preached.( Matt23:3) They showed no love to their neighbour by crushing them with impossible burdens.( Verse4) This CANNOT refer to their man made rules, for they did faultlessly practice them.
The Pharisees loved the praise of men more than the praise of God( john12:43)
They neglected the love of God( luke11:42)
And they had no love for their neighbour, or they would not have demanded of them what they did not demand of themselves.
These are the most fatal charges against them.
I agree their man made rules negated some Commandments. That is very bad, but it wasn't the core of the problem, it wasn't the root.
The reason they crushed people with the law given at Sania is because they insisted the letter of it must be faultlessly kept.
That letter kills, and was the ministry of death and condemnation( 2cor3). They preached the letter without the heart of the message

Like I said, if what they tell you is from God, then do it.



JLB

 

[stuart lawrence]

Would you feel better if I swore?

Just make sure you don't think you are better than others. That is following after the flesh.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Was this post from love????

You boys need to think about your posts.

Stuart sees faults where there is none. He has accused me falsely many times. I only judge their wrong belief of Antinomianism. They admitted that they can essentially break the moral law and still be saved. I do not believe we can have an attitude that says we can plan on doing evil again as a part of some uncontrollable sin nature and yet still be saved.

Yes, God's grace is more than enough to help a new believer who struggles with sin, but they will in time overcome their sin and not be a slave to it in this life. In time, the believer will mature and walk uprightly with their Lord.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Just make sure you don't think you are better than others. That is following after the flesh.

Is this because every one is a sinner in your view?


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[stuart lawrence]

Like I said, if what they tell you is from God, then do it.



JLB

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Stuart sees faults where there is none. He has accused me falsely many times. I only judge their wrong belief of Antinomianism. They admitted that they can essentially sin and still be saved. I do not believe we can have an attitude that says we can plan on sinning again as a part of some uncontrollable sin nature and yet still be saved.

Yes, God's grace is more than enough to help a new believer who struggles with sin, but they will in time overcome their sin and not be a slave to it in this life. In time, the believer will mature and walk uprightly with their Lord.


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No Jason I see the the truth.
You didnt tell me if you gouged your eyes out when they caused you to sin in thought or deed.
If you haven't, why are you wilfully sinning by ignoring one of Christ's literal commands?
Don't you love him, is the truth not in you, are you a liar?

 

[1stcenturylady]

If you walk in the Spirit you are not under the law.

The law of the Spirit has freed me from the law of sin and death.

Now, if you believe this that you are not under the moral law, but DON'T walk in the Spirit, you are virtually LAWLESS.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Is this because every one is a sinner in your view?


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I'm a teacher. I can't help myself. LOL

 

[JLB777]

For whoever keeps the WHOLE law yet stumbles at JUST ONE POINT is guilty of breaking all of it
James2:10

You really must stop twisting and ignoring s rupture as you do Jason In order to justify yourself under yourlaw of righteousness

If you are under the law, then that rule applies to you.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

If you are led by the Spirit, rather than the desires of the flesh, then you are going to practice righteousness.

It is those who "practice righteousness" that are righteous.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7


When we are led by the Spirit, we are led to do what is good, not evil, and what is right in the eyes of the Lord.

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29




JLB

 

[stuart lawrence]

Is this because every one is a sinner in your view?


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Well you are a sinner aren't you?
Is this because you are not as holy as everyone else?

 

[stuart lawrence]

If you are under the law, then that rule applies to you.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

If you are led by the Spirit, rather than the desires of the flesh, then you are going to practice righteousness.

It is those who "practice righteousness" that are righteous.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7


When we are led by the Spirit, we are led to do what is good, not evil, and what is right in the eyes of the Lord.

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29




JLB

If you are under the law, then that rule applies to you.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

If you are led by the Spirit, rather than the desires of the flesh, then you are going to practice righteousness.

It is those who "practice righteousness" that are righteous.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7


When we are led by the Spirit, we are led to do what is good, not evil, and what is right in the eyes of the Lord.

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29




JLB

Can you commit sin and follow after the holy spirit?

If not, are you saying g one must perfectly obey the law in order not to be under it?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Like I said, if what they tell you is from God, then do it.



JLB

As you didn't address the post, I won't address your response

 

[JLB777]

Well you are a sinner aren't you?
Is this because you are not as holy as everyone else?

No, he is not a sinner, he is a saint, a child of God.

He is joined to the Lord and is one spirit with Him.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 1 Corinthians 6:17


On the other hand, Jesus is separate from sinners.

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; Hebrews 7:26



JLB