Unchristian teachings of the Seventh Day Adventist Church....

[now faith]

Besides all that when Joshua prayed the sun not go down in battle.
This moved time forward due to the battle continuing and time being held back for 3/4 of a day.
It's quantum mechanics think about it.

 

[fromtheearth]

I would rather not follow pagans,I follow what God said:

Exodus: 20. 8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Monday,Sunday Saturday or other days are not mentioned,because God knew this would gender strife among believers.
If God did not qualify the certain day ,why should we?
Yes the weekday names are pagan.
Keeping the Sabboth is the only commandment out of ten not affirmed in the New Testament.

Mark: 2. 25. And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26. How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27. And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Jesus was teaching common sense on the rendering of the Sabbath.
Just as those who work in the Church as Deacons and singers and teachers and Preachers do.
Unless they are exempt from the law.

Colossians: 2. 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Does SDA,teach hat Micheal the ark Angel was sometimes Jesus in the old testament?
In the book of Jude it is written that when Micheal was contending over Mosses body,He did not make railing accuations.
He simply said the Lord rebuke you.
Now is Christ Lord or Micheal?
The Adventist are good people who need to leave out Ellen Whites teaching because it does not line up with Schripture.
What the Bible states is clear there is no such thing as soul sleep.
The lake of fire is eternal,and any other doctrines that I do not know about.
Follow God's Word not a denomination, it's fine to be with like believers but when the teaching is contrary to God word,and you condemn others for not accepting it ,it becomes heretical.
Myself there are things taught in Word of Faith that I do not agree with because the Bible does not show them to be true.
It's Bible first denomination later.
No religion is perfect because it is a doctrine of men's ideals for God,but it should be God's ideals for relgion.

This is where I struggle to comprehend the 'non seventh day Sabbath' viewpoint.

We can't read anything into the text that isn't present. Where you say "If God did not qualify the certain day ,why should we?", You are reading into the text that is not there to justify a change in the day.

Then in Mark 2, if Jesus was wanting to change the day of the Sabbath, why discuss the 'works' allowed on Sabbath instead of just stating that the day was going to change?

Also, the term Sabbath was also used to refer to religious days in the Jewish calendar, so we can't assume it is always referring to the seventh day Sabbath in Colossians.

My opinion is that is the Sabbath was going g to be changed, it would have been one of the laws placed on the side of the Ark, not written in stone by God as one of the 10 Commandments. They are set in stone for a reason

 

[Jeepneytravel]

This is where I struggle to comprehend the 'non seventh day Sabbath' viewpoint.

We can't read anything into the text that isn't present. Where you say "If God did not qualify the certain day ,why should we?", You are reading into the text that is not there to justify a change in the day.

Then in Mark 2, if Jesus was wanting to change the day of the Sabbath, why discuss the 'works' allowed on Sabbath instead of just stating that the day was going to change?

Also, the term Sabbath was also used to refer to religious days in the Jewish calendar, so we can't assume it is always referring to the seventh day Sabbath in Colossians.

My opinion is that is the Sabbath was going g to be changed, it would have been one of the laws placed on the side of the Ark, not written in stone by God as one of the 10 Commandments. They are set in stone for a reason

Good post excellent!...Genesis 2 the seventh day of the week was blessed and made Holy by God, as well...

 

[now faith]

This is where I struggle to comprehend the 'non seventh day Sabbath' viewpoint.

We can't read anything into the text that isn't present. Where you say "If God did not qualify the certain day ,why should we?", You are reading into the text that is not there to justify a change in the day.

Then in Mark 2, if Jesus was wanting to change the day of the Sabbath, why discuss the 'works' allowed on Sabbath instead of just stating that the day was going to change?

Also, the term Sabbath was also used to refer to religious days in the Jewish calendar, so we can't assume it is always referring to the seventh day Sabbath in Colossians.

My opinion is that is the Sabbath was going g to be changed, it would have been one of the laws placed on the side of the Ark, not written in stone by God as one of the 10 Commandments. They are set in stone for a reason

That is a example of gaslighting,in that I am reading it as it says but you are reading it correctly.
You have added a qualification for days ,I have not added anything.

If we add what we believe as traditions of men,and God did not speak it,how do you know it wasent changed on the Hebrew calender?
All I can do is read the Word ,no more no less and no presumption.

 

[fromtheearth]

That is a example of gaslighting,in that I am reading it as it says but you are reading it correctly.
You have added a qualification for days ,I have not added anything.

If we add what we believe as traditions of men,and God did not speak it,how do you know it wasent changed on the Hebrew calender?
All I can do is read the Word ,no more no less and no presumption.

"Gaslighting - manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity."
I am sorry you think my disagreeing with you is trying to manipulate you into doubting your own sanity, but that is not my intention.

I have not added anything to the text. We know:
1 - God made the seventh day Holy
2 - The Israelites were told to keep the sabbath(seventh) day holy
3 - Jesus verified the day by resting on the seventh day before resurrecting on the Sunday.

You were reading into what was in the text by saying that "God did not qualify the day, so why should we?" and "keeping the Sabbath is the only commandment not affirmed in the NT".

By doing so, you are implying that unless God "Sunday" that we are not expected to know which day was the correct Sabbath, even though in the NT it was fully accepted as Fri-evening to Sat-evening.

You are also implying that because there is no written statement affirming the 4th commandment in the NT, that means that it was not meant to be retained. Ignoring the fact that the people in the NT were keeping the Sabbath as were being told to "keep my commandments".

I don't think anyone who looks at the scriptures with a preconception of the correct day of worship will be able to see the evidence. If you are able to clear your mind, you will see that one side argues with a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that requires assumption and interpretation, while the other simply follows the 4th Commandment. At least that is how I see it.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The whole tempest in the teapot of SDA teaching regarding the fourth commandment is actually quite irrelevant to what the Sabbath is. The question is not which day we should use to engage in Protestant church activities (aka worship) but which day to rest. The Sabbath is, and always will be, a day of rest. The SDA are completely guilty of violating the OT Sabbath because they do not rest on the Sabbath, but have turned it into a day of Protestant-style religious activity.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

The whole tempest in the teapot of SDA teaching regarding the fourth commandment is actually quite irrelevant to what the Sabbath is. The question is not which day we should use to engage in Protestant church activities (aka worship) but which day to rest. The Sabbath is, and always will be, a day of rest. The SDA are completely guilty of violating the OT Sabbath because they do not rest on the Sabbath, but have turned it into a day of Protestant-style religious activity.

Do you really think you know what you are talking about? You seem very confused.

 

[fromtheearth]

The whole tempest in the teapot of SDA teaching regarding the fourth commandment is actually quite irrelevant to what the Sabbath is. The question is not which day we should use to engage in Protestant church activities (aka worship) but which day to rest. The Sabbath is, and always will be, a day of rest. The SDA are completely guilty of violating the OT Sabbath because they do not rest on the Sabbath, but have turned it into a day of Protestant-style religious activity.

It seems you confuse the SDA Sabbath with the OT Jewish Sabbath.

It is a day of rest, through Christ, and is to be kept holy like Genesis suggests.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Do you really think you know what you are talking about? You seem very confused.

Yes, I do know what the SDA is talking about. They insist that it is a sin against Almighty God to worship Him on any other day, especially Sunday, and not Saturday.

Are you confused? Do you know what they are talking about?

 

[bbbbbbb]

It seems you confuse the SDA Sabbath with the OT Jewish Sabbath.

It is a day of rest, through Christ, and is to be kept holy like Genesis suggests.

I agree. The SDA insist that they and they alone keep the Sabbath as commanded by God in Exodus 20. If you don't believe me, then please do your own research. You might want to start here - The Sabbath :: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church

 

[Jeepneytravel]

Of course SDA keep the seventh day Sabbath....God commanded it in Exodus 20...He also made it a Holy day on the seventh day of Creation week Genesis 2..it is the only Holy day in the Bible.....
The pagan based sunday 1st day of the week has no Biblical authority, but is strictly at tradition of man.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Of course SDA keep the seventh day Sabbath....God commanded it in Exodus 20...He also made it a Holy day on the seventh day of Creation week Genesis 2..it is the only Holy day in the Bible.....
The pagan based sunday 1st day of the week has no Biblical authority, but is strictly at tradition of man.

Speaking of the tradition of man, most of what the SDA does on Saturday is found in the tradition of, not man, but woman - Ellen White in particular. What she did was to reinvent the OT Sabbath into a day of Protestant religious activity and not a day of rest, at all.

 

[fromtheearth]

I agree. The SDA insist that they and they alone keep the Sabbath as commanded by God in Exodus 20. If you don't believe me, then please do your own research. You might want to start here - The Sabbath :: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church

I don't think it is meant to be a secret that they believe they have the day of worship correct. I mean, they didn't exactly try to hide it when they came up with the name "Seventh Day Adventists"

 

[fromtheearth]

Am I the only one who sees the irony in a thread being called "Unchristian teachings of SDA church" then having it full of Unchristian posts that are misrepresentations of the truth intended only to discredit the denomination?

 

[bbbbbbb]

I don't think it is meant to be a secret that they believe they have the day of worship correct. I mean, they didn't exactly try to hide it when they came up with the name "Seventh Day Adventists"

Agreed. What most people seem to miss in the title is Adventists. The focus has been firmly placed on the Seventh Day aspect and the Adventism is generally glossed over. The fact is that, at least in the birth of the denomination the teaching did not include anything about seventh-day worship, but was all about the return of Jesus Christ in 1843. To this day, the eschatology of the SDA is at significant variance with all other Christian bodies, maintaining that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has already happened, albeit not in a physical form, as originally believed by the Millerites.

 

[fromtheearth]

Agreed. What most people seem to miss in the title is Adventists. The focus has been firmly placed on the Seventh Day aspect and the Adventism is generally glossed over. The fact is that, at least in the birth of the denomination the teaching did not include anything about seventh-day worship, but was all about the return of Jesus Christ in 1843. To this day, the eschatology of the SDA is at significant variance with all other Christian bodies, maintaining that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has already happened, albeit not in a physical form, as originally believed by the Millerites.

I think you are misunderstanding or confusing multiple things together.
My Church teaches the Advent is still coming and that we don't know when. They teach tolerance of love for all people regardless of their beliefs or unbelief, they teach that Saturday is the correct day of worship, they also teach that salvation is through Grace alone and not works.

All of that contradicts what you have said as well as many others in this thread. I think people need to research better and not hold the whole denomination accountable for a few who misinterpret the scriptures.
Socrates (I think) said "you should not judge any faith by its abuses."
Water is able to give life and quench thirst, but it can also be used to drown people.

I think that applies to the way people 'pigeon hole' church members into minority views from people associated with a church.
Like every denomination, SDAs believe that their interpretation is correct and this interpretation was guided by Ellen White, but each Christian is expected to do their own study of the scriptures and try to interpret the best they can what is the correct way to live and worship.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I think you are misunderstanding or confusing multiple things together.
My Church teaches the Advent is still coming and that we don't know when. They teach tolerance of love for all people regardless of their beliefs or unbelief, they teach that Saturday is the correct day of worship, they also teach that salvation is through Grace alone and not works.

All of that contradicts what you have said as well as many others in this thread. I think people need to research better and not hold the whole denomination accountable for a few who misinterpret the scriptures.
Socrates (I think) said "you should not judge any faith by its abuses."
Water is able to give life and quench thirst, but it can also be used to drown people.

I think that applies to the way people 'pigeon hole' church members into minority views from people associated with a church.
Like every denomination, SDAs believe that their interpretation is correct and this interpretation was guided by Ellen White, but each Christian is expected to do their own study of the scriptures and try to interpret the best they can what is the correct way to live and worship.

If you wish to believe that Ellen White was guilty of abusing your church, that is your opinion. However, I suggest that you become better informed regarding your church's doctrines. You might want to start with this - Investigative judgment - Wikipedia

 

[fromtheearth]

If you wish to believe that Ellen White was guilty of abusing your church, that is your opinion. However, I suggest that you become better informed regarding your church's doctrines. You might want to start with this - Investigative judgment - Wikipedia

WOW! You are a real special kind of person.

I didn't say anything of the sort, but you will happily take a word from one sentence and add it to another to twist the meaning. I would hate to see how you read the Bible.

What you are doing is Unchristian. Good luck to you, I'm out.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

WOW! You are a real special kind of person.

I didn't say anything of the sort, but you will happily take a word from one sentence and add it to another to twist the meaning. I would hate to see how you read the Bible.

What you are doing is Unchristian. Good luck to you, I'm out.[/QUOTE

Don't worry these sunday keepers really seem to hate the Holy seventh day Sabbath....why? Because it is from God, and made Holy by God...they will denigrate anyone they can to try and discredit the Seventh day Sabbath....Guess their god is driving them to do so.

 

[CaspianSails]

Thank you for creating this thread. I have been studying a number of denominations, translations of the Bible, and versions of the Bible. Recently, I came across the lectures by Walter Veith, and he makes strong cases for the contentions you mention. I have long thought the move of the Sabbath was no supported by the Bible. Jesus observed a Saturday Sabbath and could have told us himself, following being resurrected, if it was to change. That is just my base feeling. I am more than open to seeing counter points. I do think your criticism is heavy handed in referring to them as being false Christians. I think it is a trap of the devil that we would call anybody that believes Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins and was resurrected a false Christian for not seeing eye to eye on the points you site. I think it is fine to attack doctrine but it is not okay to place judgement on all of the individuals. I grew up in a Baptist church that did not carry the same beliefs as the Baptist church down the street after all. I do concur with his assessment on the Catholic Church. Keeping in line with my feelings, I do not judge all Catholics but I do judge many of the beliefs and practices of that Church. Each of your contentions is about arguing details in my opinion.

Rereading, I guess you did not say they were false Christians. I think that is the implication I gathered from the individual bullet points. Maybe I misunderstood?

Many will come to me in that day and say Lord I did this or that in your name and I will say to them depart from me, I never knew you. A paraphrase. Even the Devil believes and trembles. We are not comparing Baptist to Baptist here. The faith is built on a false prophetess.