The 4 Beasts = 4 kings = 4 Kingdoms; Babylon Is fallen, Is Fallen

[Douggg]

Those who do not LIKE or ACCEPT these five separate-and-distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven" are fighting with the prophecies of Daniel and Matthew (not with me).

What we don't like at this site is comments like above.

 

[Douggg]

The ten "horns/kings" of Daniel are the SAME PEOPLE as the ten "horns/kings"
of Revelation 17. The Seven "heads/kings" of the Revelation Beast are the SAME
Seven Heads of Daniel's Beasts. These ten "heads/kings" are shown as ten "virgins"
in Mat 25:1.

So you are claiming that 5 of the ten kings are wise and 5 of the ten kings are foolish.... because that was fundamental to the parable of the ten virgins.? I am not buying it.

All ten horns have their crowns for that last 42 months in Revelation 13. And they give their kingdom to the beast in Revelation 17. So how you you say that 5 of them are wise?

The story of the ten virgins in Matthew 25, has no connection to the ten kings, ten horns. The story about the ten virgins is about believers being ready to meet Jesus.

 

[Revealing Times]

The Anti-Christi/Little Horn is not a kingdom empire like the other six heads in your scenario.
Inconsistent reasoning.

The Antichrist/Little Horn is the seventh head - seventh king. But you have the other six kings wrongly identified as kingdoms (two of which Assyrian and Egypt are not found in either Daniel 2 and Daniel 7).

No I don't, your Roman Empire thoughts are whats off imho.........The Seven Heads of Rev. 13 and 17 are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the Anti-Christ. There is zero doubt about it.

Please be more clear - what Beast Head where?

See the Seven in BOLD Above. Where else are Seven Beast Heads Mentioned?

If the Antichrist/Little Horn is the seventh head, but none of the heads were mortally wounded in Revelation 17 or 12 description, why isn't the Antichrist/Little Horn the mortally wounded/recovered head in Revelation 13?

We understand the correlation between Daniel 7 and Rev. 13. Both are showing the Beast(s) arising out of the Gentile Sea. So these two chapters match. The one shows Babylon the Lion, Persia the Bear, Greece the Leopard, the Fierce Beast (Mortally wounded Head) and the Little Horn, the Healed Head which is the Seventh Head of the Beast. Maybe Apollyon is a Head, and the Fierce Beast and the Little Horn represent ONE HEAD, that seemed Wounded but was then Healed. I can buy someone having that opinion, its not mine, I think the Beast was Dead, all Six Heads were Dead so to speak, and then the BEAST was Revived with a Seventh Head, thus Apollyon was released from the Bottomless pit. In other words from Egypt was a Head, they Enslaved Israel for a few hundred years, of course Israel gained their freedom, but Egypt were eventually Conquered by Assyria in 671 BC.

1. Egypt is a Head, Assyria conquered them in 671 B.C. after 2500 years of being a Power.
2. Assyria is a Head, Babylon Conquered them in 612 B.C. along with the Medes.
3. Babylon was a Head, the Persians/Cyrus conquered them in 539 B.C.
4. Persia was a Head, they were conquered by Greece/Alex. the Great in 331 B.C.
5. Greece was a Head, they were Conquered by Rome in 214 B.C to 148 B.C. in Five Macedonian Wars, they actually took over the Holy Land around 200 B.C.
6. Rome was a Head, they were eventually defeated, but Israel had already been dispersed, thus Rome ceased being a Beast at that time, but as a Kingdom they also lost their Power.
7. The Anti-Christ/Little Horn will be a HEAD.....This will REVIVE THE Beast, which has been absent for almost 2000 years, no Israel, no Beast. Thus the Beast in Rev. 13 was as DEAD but then the Mortal wound was HEALED (The Anti-Christ Conquered Israel) and the Beast comes Alive again.

Thus the Seven Headed Beast Arises out of the Sea.

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [no crowns on either the heads, nor horns]

Revelation 12: 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. [crowns on only the heads]

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. [crowns on only the horns]

Stuff like this is what makes me pull my hair out. You are taking something that is irrelevant and trying to make it relevant. All of the Heads and ALL of the Horns are Kings or Kingdoms so they ALL have Crowns. That is not even debatable. You do realize that NOT MENTIONING SOMETHING doesn't mean that is evidence that it is not there right? "The Absence of evidence is not the evidence of Absence". That's a famous science quote.

In 12 and 13 we are told that the Heads and the Horns have Crowns (ARE KINGS) so why does it need restating in Chapter 17?

 

[Douggg]

See the Seven in BOLD Above. Where else are Seven Beast Heads Mentioned?

I will explain what I meant.

There are the 7 heads on the beast, yes, in all three chapters 17, 12, 13. The little horn person being one of them, the 7th.

However, in Revelation 13... it says the beast when coming out of the sea has the mouth of a lion. Where is that lion's mouth?

In his rear end? Well, metaphorically we sometimes say "speaking out of his rear end"...... but I don't think we can apply that to the beast John saw. There has to be a main head on the beast which is not one of the seven heads.

That main head is the one with the lion's mouth.

The little horn person does the big talk when he first shows up among the ten kings, out of the EU, imo.

But regardless, he talks big. Then later, after he becomes the King of Israel, the Antichrist. 3 years 3 months into his reign, he goes rogue, goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. Now that is really big blasphemous talk. God has him killed. The mortally wounded head.

Who, the person comes back to life - healed. Which that mortally wounded/healed head only appears in Revelation 13 with 42 months left. So we know it takes place right around that time, slightly before.

So having recovered - the 7th king continues the short space as the beast (in Revelation 13) which when he is speaking for those 42 months, against God and them in heaven, it is from the mouth of the lion - which belongs to the main head on the beast. Which the person has become that "first beast" in Revelation 13 coming out of the sea.

Now do you see what I talking about clarifying which head? There are 7 heads on the beast - BUT the beast itself has it's main head, that with a mouth of a lion.

 

[Douggg]

Stuff like this is what makes me pull my hair out. You are taking something that is irrelevant and trying to make it relevant. All of the Heads and ALL of the Horns are Kings or Kingdoms so they ALL have Crowns. That is not even debatable. You do realize that NOT MENTIONING SOMETHING doesn't mean that is evidence that it is not there right? "The Absence of evidence is not the evidence of Absence". That's a famous science quote.

In 12 and 13 we are told that the Heads and the Horns have Crowns (ARE KINGS) so why does it need restating in Chapter 17?

ALL of the Horns are kings - not kingdoms. It says in text, they are ten kings - not ten kingdoms. It says the same of the 7 heads.

The crowns/no crowns differences in Revelation 17, Revelation 13, Revelation 12 is HIGHLY RELEVANT, because it tells WHEN on a timeline, the prophecies of the ten kings and seven kings are fulfilled. It also disqualifies the view of either the 10 horns or the 7 heads being kingdoms.

And without a timeline - a person cannot have an end times scenario, worth anything.

 

[Douggg]

.....Egypt, Assyria, Babylonian, Perisan, Roman, Antichrist (paraphrased by me, RT) Thus the Seven Headed Beast Arises out of the Sea.

What sea in Revelation 17.... ?

Again, you are naming six kingdoms, then inconsistently naming a person, to complete the seven heads.

To be consistent, you should say Antichrist's kingdom, but if you do that, your scenario has a problem RT - because the little horn comes out of the fourth kingdom, when it has ten kings ruling together.

The fourth kingdom is the Roman Empire, (your 6th kingdom). And the little horn comes out of the end times version of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire.

 

[Revealing Times]

I will explain what I meant.

There are the 7 heads on the beast, yes, in all three chapters 17, 12, 13. The little horn person being one of them, the 7th.

However, in Revelation 13... it says the beast when coming out of the sea has the mouth of a lion. Where is that lion's mouth?

In his rear end? Well, metaphorically we sometimes say "speaking out of his rear end"...... but I don't think we can apply that to what John saw. There has to be a main head on the beast which is not one of the seven heads.

That main head is the one with the lion's mouth.

I think that John is just trying to convey that the Beasts of Rev. 13 who were several, are a part of this ONE BEAST, with Seven Heads which are Seven Kingdoms, but all one Body. I think the Mouth here is more or less just a part of the body, but however it could be a clue from Daniel 7 where there was a "Mans Heart" given unto the BEAST.......And we know this Beast at the Seventh Head will be a MAN and will SPEAK Blasphemies. So that could tie together. But I think its more or less John/Jesus wanting us to know all Seven of the Beasts are ONE BODY, and Apollyon is over them, he represents Satan of course.

The little horn person does the big talk when he first shows up among the ten kings, out of the EU, imo.

But regardless, he talks big.

I Agree, he blasphemes.

Then later, after he becomes the King of Israel, the Antichrist - 3 years 3 months into his reign, he goes rogue, goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. Now that is really big blasphemous talk. God has him killed. The mortally wounded head.

This is not going to happen brother. You are being sidetracked here. The verse where Jesus speaks about the Jewish people accepting someone that comes in his own name doesn't even mean what you think. I did an Exegesis on Matthew 24 and found that verse 1-6 was about the Temple and Cities destruction. This is where that scripture fits: JOHN 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

This was Jesus telling the Pharisees and Scribes that they would not accept him, but then ANOTHER they would put forth as the Messiah, just before the Temples Destruction. They KNEW Rome was the Fourth Beast and thus was expecting the Little Horn, they had no clue the Little Horn would arise 2000 years or so after Rome was the Fourth Beast. But they put forth a few "MESSIAHS" just before 70 AD, thus Jesus' prophecy came true, THUS....Its not an End Time Prophecy brother. The Jews do not accept this KING as you interpret it, because that scripture was fulfilled 2000 years ago. Israel accepts Christ before the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem this time, just like Malachi 4:5-6 says, the Two witnesses preach for 1260 days, the BEAST Rules for 1260 Days, since the Two Witnesses die before the BEAST DIES, that means the Two Witnesses show up to preach Jesus Christ Crucified before the Beast comes forth to Rule !! Elijah turns Israel back to God BEFORE the day of the Lord (Gods Wrath at the midway point).

He is blasphemous, but Israel never accepts him as King. There will be Jews who follow him, and take the Mark of the Beast, but Israel as a nation will not accept him as their Messiah, he never claims to be the Messiah per say, he wants to be worshiped as a MAN GOD. (Humanism)

Who, the person comes back to life - healed. Which that mortally wounded/healed head only appears in Revelation 13 with 42 months left. So we know it takes place right around that time, slightly before.

Humans do not come back to life......The BEAST IS REBORN....After being dead for 2000 years.

So having recovered - the 7th king continues the short space as the beast (in Revelation 13) which when he is speaking for those 42 months, against God and them in heaven, it is from the mouth of the lion - which belongs to the main head on the beast. Which the person has become that "first beast" in Revelation 13 coming out of the sea.

The BEAST is Reborn, with the Seventh Head Conquering Israel, that makes him a BEAST.

Now do you see what I talking about clarifying which head? There are 7 heads on the beast - BUT the beast itself has it's main head, that with a mouth of a lion.

The Little Horn MAN will be the Last Beast. Maybe the very first mention of the Babylonian LION becoming a MAN has some sort of reasoning behind it. But we know the Last Beast is a MAN.

 

[Revealing Times]

ALL of the Horns are kings - not kingdoms. It says in text, they are ten kings - not ten kingdoms. It says the same of the 7 heads.

My point is the Seven Head had crowns in one of the Chapters because they were KINGDOMS, the 10 Horns had crowns because they were KINGS in the other chapter. They were all mentioned as Kingdoms or Kings (Same thing). They all have crowns, that their commonality. Some Kingdoms are BEASTS some Kings Kingdoms are not BEASTS.........Yes that the difference, but they all have Crowns.

The crowns/no crowns differences in Revelation 17, Revelation 13, Revelation 12 is HIGHLY RELEVANT, because it tells WHEN on a timeline, the prophecies of the ten kings and seven kings are fulfilled. It also disqualifies the view of either the 10 horns or the 7 heads being kingdoms.

And without a timeline - a person cannot have an end times scenario, worth anything.

I have did a TIME-LINE Thread for all of Revelation here....Look for it. Revelation SEQUENCED...

The Crown/No Crowns in the Chapters mean nothing. Rev. 12 showed the Seven Heads to be Kingdoms with ONE KING, the Anti-Christ will be ONE MAN. Then in Rev. 13 we see the 10 Horns are Kings with 10 Crowns. So in Rev. 17 we know the Seven Heads and 10 Horns have CROWNS !!

It doesn't need repeating.

 

[Revealing Times]

What sea in Revelation 17.... ?

Again, why do you need it REPEATED?

Again, you are naming six kingdoms, then inconsistently naming a person, to complete the seven heads.

The Seventh will be a MAN.........That's what Daniel 7 and Rev. 13 says.

To be consistent, you should say Antichrist's kingdom, but if you do that, your scenario has a problem RT - because the little horn comes out of the fourth kingdom, when it has ten kings ruling together.

The Little Horn arises 2000 years after Israel has basically DIED, they were as DEAD MEN'S BONES. They came back to life in 1948, thus you can again have a BEAST. The Little Horn arises out of the Fourth Beast, 2000 years later.

The fourth kingdom is the Roman Empire, (your 6th kingdom). And the little horn comes out of the end times version of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire.

It arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head (Rome) at the END TIMES. That is Correct. But it is a WHOLE NEW HEAD.

 

[Douggg]

I have did a TIME-LINE Thread for all of Revelation here....Look for it. Revelation SEQUENCED...

The Crown/No Crowns in the Chapters mean nothing. Rev. 12 showed the Seven Heads to be Kingdoms with ONE KING, the Anti-Christ will be ONE MAN. Then in Rev. 13 we see the 10 Horns are Kings with 10 Crowns. So in Rev. 17 we know the Seven Heads and 10 Horns have CROWNS !!

It doesn't need repeating.

What? Revelation 17 neither the heads nor the horns have crowns.

And in Revelation 12 the seven heads have crowns.... but no crowns in Revelation 13.

You haven't got it right, RT.

Douggg said: ↑
What sea in Revelation 17.... ?
Again, why do you need it REPEATED?

Revelation 17, the beast is not coming out of the sea. John sees the beast in the wilderness. Why? because the beast in Revelation 17 had not come out of the nations (the sea) yet....

Douggg said: ↑
The fourth kingdom is the Roman Empire, (your 6th kingdom). And the little horn comes out of the end times version of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire.
It arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head (Rome) at the END TIMES. That is Correct. But it is a WHOLE NEW HEAD.

But dont' you see the conflict you have. You have the Roman Empire as the sixth kingdom - not the fourth kingdom. Because in you interpretation of the 7 heads, you errantly say that those are kingdoms.

 

[Douggg]

This was Jesus telling the Pharisees and Scribes that they would not accept him, but then ANOTHER they would put forth as the Messiah, just before the Temples Destruction

You didn't go far enough in your research to know the Anti-Messiah has to be anointed the King of Israel.

No-one has been anointed the King of Israel - since the days of Solomon. So no Anti-messiah yet.

Israel, itself, in it historical united state has only had three kings. Saul anointed by Samuel, David anointed by Samuel, Solomon anointed by Nathan. The kings were anointed by prophets - spokesperson for God.

The false prophet will anoint the little horn person as the King of Israel - that is when he officially becomes the Antichrist.

When does God anoint Jesus as King of Israel? God Himself does it, not a prophet. It is in Psalms 2, at Jesus 's return...

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? [they have gathered together at Armageddon]

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. [Jesus anointed as the King of Israel, by God Himself]

 

[Douggg]

I think that John is just trying to convey that the Beasts of Rev. 13 who were several, are a part of this ONE BEAST, by with Seven Heads which are Seven Kingdoms, but all one Body. I think the Mouth here is more or less just a part of the body, but however it could be a clue from Daniel 7 where there was a "Mans Heart" given unto the BEAST.......And we know this Beast at the Seventh Head will be a MAN and will SPEAK Blasphemies. So that could tie together. But I think its more or less John/Jesus wanting us to know all Seven of the Beasts are ONE BODY, and Apollyon is over them, he represents Satan of course.

John saw the beast - then described it. Where is the lion's mouth on the beast? You did not answer.

 

[Revealing Times]

What? Revelation 17 neither the heads nor the horns have crowns.

And in Revelation 12 the seven heads have crowns.... but no crowns in Revelation 13.

You haven't got it right, RT.

I can't believe you can't see what is before your eyes. I've got to illustrate it seems.

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Lets see, we are told that he ha Crowns on EACH HEAD in Rev. 12 and we are told EACH HORN has Crowns in Rev. 13.....QUESTION.......Why would anyone need to be told again in Rev. 17 what is OBVIOUS? The Seven HEADS and the Seven HORNS all have Crowns. I don't even get the point to be honest.

Revelation 17, the beast is not coming out of the sea. John sees the beast in the wilderness. Why? because the beast in Revelation 17 had not come out of the nations (the sea) yet....

You are trying way to hard. The Seven Headed Beast is the SAME BEAST. Its already been explained he came out of the Gentile Sea.....you want Johns book to repeat everything it seems.

But dont' you see the conflict you have. You have the Roman Empire as the sixth kingdom - not the fourth kingdom. Because in you interpretation of the 7 heads, you errantly say that those are kingdoms.

I don't say anything in error, I use the guidelines set down in Daniel for what a Beast is.

1. It has to have conquered/enslaved/ruled Israel.
2. It has to be a great world power.
3. It has to be in the Region.
4. It has to have been in Biblical Prophecy.

These are all applied. You it seems just don't want to admit that Egypt and Assyria were Beasts, just because Daniel didn't mention them. But God didn't need to confuse Nebuchadnezzar with other Beasts that came before him. What would the purpose be? It was irrelevant what the King of Babylon understood in reality.

Then when we get to Revelation we are told in full what has come to pass......Five have Fallen which are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece. And ONE IS (ROME) and one is YET TO COME (Anti-Christ/Beast).

For some reason you want to forget all about Egypt one of the Greatest Powers who enslaved Israel and Assyria, the country that took the 10 Tribes away and scattered them to the ends of the earth.

Revelation 13 and 17 tells us all about them.

Rome is the Sixth Beast.

 

[Revealing Times]

You didn't go far enough in your research to know the Anti-Messiah has to be anointed the King of Israel.

No-one has been anointed the King of Israel - since the days of Solomon. So no Anti-messiah yet.

I stated a fact, Jesus' prophecy was about 2000 years ago. Israel does not accept anyone as the King of Israel. NOWHERE in Scriptures is that stated. They accepted a False Messiah as the Christ, several of them, that's in the history books, look it up.

No-one has been anointed the King of Israel - since the days of Solomon. So no Anti-messiah yet.

Israel, itself, in it historical united state has only had three kings. Saul anointed by Samuel, David anointed by Samuel, Solomon anointed by Nathan. The kings were anointed by prophets - spokesperson for God.

The false prophet will anoint the little horn person as the King of Israel - that is when he officially becomes the Antichrist.

Not going to happen no matter how much you push it......Its not scriptural, and it goes against Scriptures I have presented unto you.

When does God anoint Jesus as King of Israel? God Himself does it, not a prophet. It is in Psalms 2, at Jesus 's return...

Yes, we understand Jesus is anointed King of Kings when he returns. Amen. That's what is in Daniels 70th Week Decree. The Most Holy is Anointed.

 

[Douggg]

I don't say anything in error, I use the guidelines set down in Daniel for what a Beast is.

1. It has to have conquered/enslaved/ruled Israel.
2. It has to be a great world power.
3. It has to be in the Region.
4. It has to have been in Biblical Prophecy.

It is not an issue what a beast is. The issue, the conflict in your interpretation, is that in the text of Daniel 7, little horn comes out of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire. But you have the Roman Empire as being the sixth kingdom (in your 7 heads misinterpretation).

 

[Douggg]

I stated a fact, Jesus' prophecy was about 2000 years ago. Israel does not accept anyone as the King of Israel. NOWHERE in Scriptures is that stated. They accepted a False Messiah as the Christ, several of them, that's in the history books, look it up.

No-one since the time of Solomon has been anointed the King of Israel. The Christ means the King of Israel. The Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel. The another that they will accept as their King of Israel will be the Anti-Christ.

Mark 15:
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

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19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

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Regarding the forthcoming Antichrist....

From Judaism 101 site, http://www.jewfaq.org/ , here is one of the things the Jews are looking for in their moshiach...

"The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5)."

 

[Douggg]

RT, John saw the beast - then described it. Where is the lion's mouth on the beast? You did not answer.

 

[Douggg]

I can't believe you can't see what is before your eyes. I've got to illustrate it seems.

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Lets see, we are told that he ha Crowns on EACH HEAD in Rev. 12 and we are told EACH HORN has Crowns in Rev. 13.....QUESTION.......Why would anyone need to be told again in Rev. 17 what is OBVIOUS? The Seven HEADS and the Seven HORNS all have Crowns. I don't even get the point to be honest.

No, no, no, no..... It is not that the the beast had crowns on the heads and horns in Revelation 7, but it wasn't stated. No.

John saw 3 different visions. One in Chapter 13, a different one in Chapter 12, and a different one in Chapter 17.

The status of the crown, no crowns, on the heads being different in Chapters 13, 12, 17 - is where your heads are kingdoms falls apart.... because there is no explanation using your interpretastion of the heads.

 

[GUANO]

in its negative sense the biblical word "beast" indicates an unsouled spirit of the "darkness" which provides unrighteous people with felicity, IOW, a spirit of the "darkness" which can be positive but not according to righteousness of the true God

Blessings

The "Beasts" are spirits related to the Watchers and the Nephilim...

Enoch 15:
And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement—thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated.

Occultists call these spirits Egregores (Watchers) in homage to their dead 'fathers'...

Wikipedia:
Egregore (also egregor) is an occult concept representing a "thoughtform" or "collective group mind", an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. The symbiotic relationship between an egregore and its group has been compared to the more recent, non-occult concepts of the corporation (as a legal entity) and the meme.
Eliphas Lévi, in Le Grand Arcane ("The Great Mystery", 1868) identifies "egregors" with the tradition concerning the "Watchers", the fathers of the nephilim, describing them as "terrible beings" that "crush us without pity because they are unaware of our existence."

 

[GUANO]

The Little Horn MAN will be the Last Beast. Maybe the very first mention of the Babylonian LION becoming a MAN has some sort of reasoning behind it. But we know the Last Beast is a MAN.

The only way you can do that is to associate the prophecy of Daniel 9 to the "antichrist" when really the whole chapter is about Jesus Christ.