Amos 3:7, the New Testament & the Commandments

[listed]

What, Christians don't follow the law or Jesus?

Maybe you should slow down and read what he said.

 

[listed]

I believe the temple will come down and be placed as in Revelation. I am unsure how the sacrifice and offerings will resume it says so in Eziekiel but is unclear in other prophecy. I believe the people of God will be keeping Sukkot as in Zachariah 14 and the ones outside the gate will be in danger. Tzizi yes thats a good idea, God wanted us to rember His commandments. Holy Spirit and the Sabbath that is a discussion between us and God, my spirit grieves for it, yours does not, I can not answer that question but I would be very interested in knowing the reason mine does and yours does not. I guess it's the million dollar question on this forum.

Not really for those with understanding.

 

[listed]

Change the comma - delete it.
"What Christians don't follow the law or Jesus?" becomes easy to answer - Jesus Himself says:

Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
biblehub.com/luke/6-46.htm - Cached - Similar
"Why do you keep calling me 'Lord, Lord,' but don't do what I tell you? NET Bible ... "And why do you all call me 'Master, Master' and yet not do what I tell you?‎Luke 6:47 - ‎Luke 6:45 - ‎Luke 6:46 KJV

The better idea would be to read what buggy posted without changing what he said.

 

[listed]

It's kinda like groundhogs day around here.

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

This is no explanation. It does however largely ignore verse 32.

 

[listed]

Bob S, Bugkiller and Listed,
I feel like I have replied to your questions and I was hoping one of you could reply to the question I asked of you.

Where was it prophecied in the Tenakh (OT) that the Messiah was going to do away with God's law?

We told you. You even posted it.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob S, Bugkiller and Listed,
I feel like I have replied to your questions and I was hoping one of you could reply to the question I asked of you.

Where was it prophecied in the Tenakh (OT) that the Messiah was going to do away with God's law?

Great post!

 

[listed]

Very good point!

Answer: nowhere

New Covenant "I will WRITE My Law on their heart and mind" is not "I will DELETE My Law".

This isn't the covenant given to Israel.

 

[1John2:4]

This is no explanation. It does however largely ignore verse 32.

Right verse 32- no it's not like the Covenant He made, instead of the Law being written on stone, it (the law, the whole law not parts of the law) are written on flesh. That is the difference in the covenant.

 

[BobRyan]

It's kinda like groundhogs day around here.

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Very true. The Covenant has the same LAW of God - as known to Jeremiah - but under the NEW Covenant it is written on the heart and mind.

Which means it is "STILL wrong to take God's name in vain" EVEN under the New Covenant.

As we all know... and indeed very obvious.

 

[BobRyan]

This is no explanation. It does however largely ignore verse 32.

Not in real life. In real life he quoted vs 32 in the very post you respond to.. And we all know it.

 

[listed]

Right verse 32- no it's not like the Covenant He made, instead of the Law being written on stone, it (the law, the whole law not parts of the law) are written on flesh. That is the difference in the covenant.

The verses is about contents, not place written.

 

[listed]

Not in real life. In real life he quoted vs 32 in the very post you respond to.. And we all know it.

So he did. That means nothing. You do the same and ignore it.

 

[1John2:4]

We told you. You even posted it.

I'm sorry, I must have missed it , please please post the verse again.

 

[1John2:4]

Very true. The Covenant has the same LAW of God - as known to Jeremiah - but under the NEW Covenant it is written on the heart and mind.

Which means it is "STILL wrong to take God's name in vain" EVEN under the New Covenant.

As we all know... and indeed very obvious.

Exteamly obvious

 

[1John2:4]

The verses is about contents, not place written.

It looks like you are only looking at the one verse, verse 32and taking it completely out of context. He said it is different because He takes His Law and places it on our minds and hearts. Y'all do this with fullfilled in Matthew 5 you stop at fullfill and fill in the blanks with some bizarre doctrine that is not even within the context of the passage. Why do you do this? The context explains what the meaning of the passage.

 

[1John2:4]

This isn't the covenant given to Israel.

Both Covenants are for Israel

 

[BobRyan]

Jeremiah 31
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

This isn't the covenant given to Israel.

In "the text" it is made with the House o Israel - as we all can see when we read the text.
In "the text" it is Jeremiah writing to his contemporaries about the LAW known to them both - as we can all see.

This part is irrefutable. Both covenants deal with God's Law -- known to Jeremiah and his readers.

Same LAW of God, different context/location

 

[BobRyan]

I'm sorry, I must have missed it , please please post the verse again.

I already did it - some place , somewhere in the past ... hard to find ... must-a-been some place though. Surely I must have done it. hopefully.

 

[1John2:4]

Again, aside from Jerimiah 31:32 (which was obviously taken out of context) where is it prophecied God's law was to be abolished, finished, distroyed, fullfilled(with the meaning that is distroyed) completed come to an end. Anywhere in the Tenakh? Anywhere?

 

[Yanni depp]

What does Jesus take possession of? Answer - His commandments. Are these commandments the law given to Israel? No, because Jesus obeyed those commandments as claimed with the same combined statement in the next chapter. Jesus didn't take possession of those commandments.

You don't understand the word fulfill and ignore what Jesus said in Luke 24:44 and many other verses showing a change of the law.

This thread is about the decalogue being done away with. As in made irrelevant, isnt it?

Original post....

So where in any of the prophets did God reveal to them that the 10 commandments were temporary or that he was going to abolish all of his commands in the future???

Jesus lived a perfect life adhering to the Law and died for our sins. That sounds fulfilling.

John 14:15
Romans 6:1
Matthew 5:17-20
Matthew 5-7

These verses tell me that the decalogue isnt irrelevent. Thats what im saying.

You dont like that?