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So I'm wondering how we know what awaits us in the afterlife.
What is good and right and true,
is fully disclosed in YHWH'S WORD.

Most everything (of the world, seen here and out there) posted is contrary to His Word, deceptive and untrue and deadly to souls, including fatal to little ones seeking YHWH'S Kingdom.
 
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Fascinating! So if consciousness is contained in matter, then the question is: How does the consciousness of the deceased pass on the the consciousness of the newly born person or creature? I suppose one possibility is light. Since it is made of particles as well as waves, and a particle is matter, light itself might be composed of consciousness! So anywhere where light is, a consciousness might be passed on, I suppose. What are your thoughts?
Honestly, I am really not sure...I would have to look into it a bit more.
 
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What is good and right and true,
is fully disclosed in YHWH'S WORD.

Most everything (of the world, seen here and out there) posted is contrary to His Word, deceptive and untrue and deadly to souls, including fatal to little ones seeking YHWH'S Kingdom.

By YHWH's word, do you mean the words of Jesus, or do you consider the words of Paul to be YHWH's word, too?
 
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By YHWH's word, do you mean the words of Jesus, or do you consider the words of Paul to be YHWH's word, too?
Everyone , without question so far, (no doubt; i.e. proven),
who rejects Paul or any of Jesus' Apostles
has already first rejected Jesus.
 
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Everyone , without question so far, (no doubt; i.e. proven),
who rejects Paul or any of Jesus' Apostles
has already first rejected Jesus.
Thank you. So if you like, we can consider what the writer of Hebrews had to say:

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Reading this, should we say the writer would disagree with reincarnation?
 
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So I'm wondering how we know what awaits us in the afterlife. It seems there are only a few alternatives, one or more of which might be real and others merely imagined:
  • Heaven or Heavens or Paradise
  • Hell or Outer Darkness
  • Purgatory
  • Reincarnation
  • Soul Sleep
  • No existence at all
Did I miss any? What evidence (biblical or otherwise) supports one or more of these views?
John chapter 11 verse 25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
I don't know exactly what that means, but I'll live with God and Jesus, I think.
 
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So I'm wondering how we know what awaits us in the afterlife. It seems there are only a few alternatives, one or more of which might be real and others merely imagined:
  • Heaven or Heavens or Paradise
  • Hell or Outer Darkness
  • Purgatory
  • Reincarnation
  • Soul Sleep
  • No existence at all
Did I miss any? What evidence (biblical or otherwise) supports one or more of these views?
heavens? Just wondering how does that one work i'm not familiar with that one. Like why more than one under that concept.
 
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The disciples seemed to believe in the possibility of reincarnation when giving options for why the man was born Blind.
However, reincarnation or not, the goal of Jesus seem to be to show us that we can die once a be resurrected to life now. Reincarnation doesnt help us, since the person we were essentially dies for good and we have no knowledge of that life in the next one.

Lets add another scenario......What if when we die, we just wake up in a another life with memories....just like we do when we die in a "dream" now?
 
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Reincarnation doesnt help us, since the person we were essentially dies for good and we have no knowledge of that life in the next one.
I’ve wondered this myself.

One explanation is that person we appear to be in any particular life-span is just a role, rather than our actual identity. Who we actually are transcends the various roles we play over however many lifetimes. The “you” that you are independent of all those roles learns from the life lessons and applies what was learned to the next life.

Some philosophies regard our lives here not just to learn, but to create. So reincarnation is just another opportunity to create, as opposed to being directly karma-based. (I lean more towards it being a voluntary, karma-independent, endeavor.)

Again, that’s just one explanation.

Where I would personally draw the line with that is as in the case of Hinduism, where cows are held sacred: Some of them believe that if you eat beef, you have to reincarnate as a cow once for every hair on that cow’s body as punishment (though they don’t like to call it “punishment” for some reason; rather, they see it as just the nature of things and nothing personal per se).

I’m sorry, but I don’t see the use in that. As a cow, I’m not going to remember why I’m a cow, and that my cow-ness is “bad” karma for eating cows in a previous life. Reincarnating as a cow once, maybe. But again and again as many times as there are hairs on the cow(s) body(ies)? I’m pretty sure people will pick up on whatever lesson was supposed to be learned in a single cow’s single life-span. Any more would be beating a dead horse, and who knows what religion finds that bad. :D

Lets add another scenario......What if when we die, we just wake up in a another life with memories....just like we do when we die in a "dream" now?
There are cases where very young children (usually under age six) do remember details of a life previously lived, and upon further research turns out to have been real (see the link to this that I shared in post #15.
 
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So I'm wondering how we know what awaits us in the afterlife. It seems there are only a few alternatives, one or more of which might be real and others merely imagined:
  • Heaven or Heavens or Paradise
  • Hell or Outer Darkness
  • Purgatory
  • Reincarnation
  • Soul Sleep
  • No existence at all
Did I miss any? What evidence (biblical or otherwise) supports one or more of these views?
This question on the afterlife would gender the question "What authority are you going by? If the Bible is your authority, then heaven or hell awaits you. If Catholicism is your authority, then Purgatory awaits you. If something else is your authority then something else awaits you. But what we claim as authority, is not necessarily any real authority, therefore what it says awaits us is not necessarily what really awaits us.
 
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reincarnation is just another
Totally non-Christian demonically deceptive idea from outside Christ.
Totally opposed to all Scripture.
Totally opposed to God's Word, Life, Plan and Purpose in Christ.
i.e.
it is pagan, heathen, ungodly, unrighteous, deadly to true faith, unreal, untrue, and not good. (that's just to start)
 
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I would say that you left out "Limbo" as a possible option. I do not refer to the traditional Limbo, the place that the Catholic Church once taught was the destination for unbaptized babies. Rather, I refer to the belief that many have that some human souls walk the Earth after death as ghosts. Some believe that these souls are in Purgatory. I suppose that they could be in Hell, though I have yet to hear anyone believe that such is the case. Rather, it would seem that they are trapped in some sort of in-between state or Limbo. For how long and for what reason(s), we do not know. Nevertheless, many people all across the planet for centuries have witnessed seeing these spirits walk the Earth. Many of them have been recognized as specific persons, sometimes even loved ones. To believe that 100% of these ghosts are really demons is beyond belief.
 
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To believe that 100% of these ghosts are really demons is beyond belief.
They could, potentially, be a vision, but that idea of limbo, or 'souls' rising from the grave without a body and separate from the body, is not at all in Scripture... not for Humans.
(perhaps demons /evil spirits never human/ are in a kind of 'limbo' as they go to and fro seeking a hapless body to cause trouble for (inhabit as written in Scripture) ,
and yes, 100% of those apparitions , aside from visions, could easily be demonic)
(and, for the last half century or longer, potentially (as is the case often) manmade (like holograms))
 
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May I posit that just because something is not in scripture does not mean it is demonic. We know what is in scripture, but if something is not explicitly or implicitly spoken of then we can not discount that it might be part of the way of spirits or nature, and not automatically of demonic nature.
 
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True, just because ghosts of human souls are not mentioned in the New Testament does not negate the possibility that they exist. As I recall, there is one reference in the Old Testament when Saul talked to Samuel's ghost, though what we are to make of this is uncertain. Still, this incident does lend some credence to the belief that the spirits of human souls can and do walk the Earth after death.
 
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True, just because ghosts of human souls are not mentioned in the New Testament does not negate the possibility that they exist. As I recall, there is one reference in the Old Testament when Saul talked to Samuel's ghost, though what we are to make of this is uncertain. Still, this incident does lend some credence to the belief that the spirits of human souls can and do walk the Earth after death.
Yes, That was a weird chapter in Scripture.....I noted the fact that Samuel seemed to be upset that he was summoned back to the earth......but I dont know what that was all about.
 
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May I posit that just because something is not in scripture does not mean it is demonic. We know what is in scripture, but if something is not explicitly or implicitly spoken of then we can not discount that it might be part of the way of spirits or nature, and not automatically of demonic nature.
Even reincarnation (like other scenarios) can be found in scripture depending on the interpretation. The whole John-the-Baptist-is-Elijah-all-over-again thing comes to mind.

Here's one article by someone who believes the bible supports it: Reincarnation in the Bible
 
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Even reincarnation (like other scenarios) can be found in scripture depending on the interpretation. The whole John-the-Baptist-is-Elijah-all-over-again thing comes to mind.

Here's one article by someone who believes the bible supports it: Reincarnation in the Bible
Great point. May I also quote my earlier post (it might have been missed in the flurry of posts yesterday)
Loosely speaking, we could call the Christian belief of bodily passing away and becoming as a spiritual being in the heavenly realm or hell realm based on Christ and living as He deemed (as is mostly taught in Christianity) a parallel belief to rebirth. Buddhism teaches that one can be reborn into hell realms or heavenly/angelic/"god" realms too. So, technically (IMO) these beliefs are not opposed to each other in this thinking.
 
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