Unchristian teachings of the Seventh Day Adventist Church....

[Jeepneytravel]

No you are wrong again, I am not SDA, nor do I belong to any denomination...simple reading of the Bible tells me what to do to become a real Christian...try reading it sometimes and pray for understanding so you will learn the truth and it will make you free.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

How do you know that Christians are all spiritually grafted into the Jewish tree?

Because the Bible tells me so..

 

[klutedavid]

No you are wrong again, I am not SDA, nor do I belong to any denomination...simple reading of the Bible tells me what to do to become a real Christian...try reading it sometimes and pray for understanding so you will learn the truth and it will make you free.

Hello Jeepneytravel.

Gentiles do not need to become Jews.

Galatians 2
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?

Peter stood condemned, fallen from Grace, Peter was telling the gentiles to live like Jews.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Because the Bible tells me so..

Where?

 

[now faith]

Repentance before grace, which means turning away from sin.....1st John says "sin is transgression of the law'
As Jesus told the woman caught in adultery "go and sin no more"

You have mixed your text to support a premises.

1 John: 3. 19. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
We are not saved by the law
Galatians: 3. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The woman caught in the act,was still under the law ,because Christ had not yet gone to the cross.

 

[now faith]

Hello fromtheearth.

SDA believes that your only forgiven for the sins you committed before becoming a Christian. They have a different interpretation of Grace to many other churches.

This is illogical and impossible.
Following this idea everyone will go to Hell'
There cannot be but one definition of Grace that is unmerited favor.
If you are going to keep the law keep the whole law and make blood sacrifices for sin with goats etc.
That is what the law required sin =death and a sacrifice was needed to stand in our place.
Christ knew no sin but paid for all of our sin on the cross.
We as Christians are no longer under the law,so why keep some and not All?
Orthodox Jews are still under the law because the do not accept the coming of Christ.
By keeping the law a person can trample on the blood of Christ,He will not go to the cross ever again.

You cannot have two masters either you are redeemed from sin through Christ blood,or you believe by keeping the law you are made holy.

 

[klutedavid]

This is illogical and impossible.
Following this idea everyone will go to Hell'
There cannot be but one definition of Grace that is unmerited favor.
If you are going to keep the law keep the whole law and make blood sacrifices for sin with goats etc.
That is what the law required sin =death and a sacrifice was needed to stand in our place.
Christ knew no sin but paid for all of our sin on the cross.
We as Christians are no longer under the law,so why keep some and not All?
Orthodox Jews are still under the law because the do not accept the coming of Christ.
By keeping the law a person can trample on the blood of Christ,He will not go to the cross ever again.

You cannot have two masters either you are redeemed from sin through Christ blood,or you believe by keeping the law you are made holy.

Hello now faith.

That is what they believe, past sins only are forgiven, hence they are under the law.
That is one crazy interpretation of the scripture.

We as gentile Christians were never under the law and were never told that we were under the law by the apostles (Acts 15).

 

[bbbbbbb]

Hello now faith.

That is what they believe, past sins only are forgiven, hence they are under the law.
That is one crazy interpretation of the scripture.

We as gentile Christians were never under the law and were never told that we were under the law by the apostles (Acts 15).

Even crazier is the fact that the SDA has created its own Law for its members which makes it theoretically possible for them to be saved. In the process they either redefined the commandments of the Law or just decided to ignore them altogether.

 

[fromtheearth]

Even crazier is the fact that the SDA has created its own Law for its members which makes it theoretically possible for them to be saved. In the process they either redefined the commandments of the Law or just decided to ignore them altogether.

Which law is this?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Which law is this?

You can read about it here - Biblical law in Seventh-day Adventism - Wikipedia

 

[fromtheearth]

You can read about it here - Biblical law in Seventh-day Adventism - Wikipedia

While I am not one to take Wikipedia as a reliable source in many cases, let's say we do.
From that link:

Interpretations of the law in the Bible within the Seventh-day Adventist Church form a part of the broader debate regarding biblical law in Christianity. Adventists believe in a greater continuation of laws such as the law given to Moses in the present day than do most other Christians. In particular, they believe the 10 Commandments still apply to today, including the Sabbath in particular.

The opening paragraph shows CLEARLY that is is an interpretation of the biblical law. It also says CLEARLY that they believe in a CONTINUATION of laws.

How does that have anything to do with your claim that "SDA created their own law by which they make it theoretically possible to be saved"?

The belief noted in the link says "Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour. Salvation is all of grace and not of works, and its fruit is obedience to the Commandments."

How exactly does ANY of this say that SDA have created their own law which the must follow in order for the possibility of salvation?

 

[now faith]

While I am not one to take Wikipedia as a reliable source in many cases, let's say we do.
From that link:

Interpretations of the law in the Bible within the Seventh-day Adventist Church form a part of the broader debate regarding biblical law in Christianity. Adventists believe in a greater continuation of laws such as the law given to Moses in the present day than do most other Christians. In particular, they believe the 10 Commandments still apply to today, including the Sabbath in particular.

The opening paragraph shows CLEARLY that is is an interpretation of the biblical law. It also says CLEARLY that they believe in a CONTINUATION of laws.

How does that have anything to do with your claim that "SDA created their own law by which they make it theoretically possible to be saved"?

The belief noted in the link says "Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour. Salvation is all of grace and not of works, and its fruit is obedience to the Commandments."


How exactly does ANY of this say that SDA have created their own law which the must follow in order for the possibility of salvation?

I wish I knew how they come up with a half in half out belief system.
I know someone who listens to one of their key Preachers.
I would not say they are in the same place as Mormons in their beliefs.
I still learn from a SDA,professor Walter Vieth his teaching on creation can baffle the best athiest out there.
There are moderate offshoots as well,who are not as hung up on doctrines.
Like many other Religons or denominations they inherited a doctrine that most will not question.
It's a generational teaching accepted as truth without question.
I have listened to explanations by their teachers that stretch the Word a long ways.
For example on soul sleep:
We ask what about the thief on the cross?
The reply is Jesus said I say to you this day meaning I'm telling you now you at some point will be with me in paradise.
Wow I say to you this day you will be with me in paradise is the real context
We affirm this by Paul teaching to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

I believe they are Christians who have been taught a different doctrine than the Bible as well.

 

[bbbbbbb]

While I am not one to take Wikipedia as a reliable source in many cases, let's say we do.
From that link:

Interpretations of the law in the Bible within the Seventh-day Adventist Church form a part of the broader debate regarding biblical law in Christianity. Adventists believe in a greater continuation of laws such as the law given to Moses in the present day than do most other Christians. In particular, they believe the 10 Commandments still apply to today, including the Sabbath in particular.

The opening paragraph shows CLEARLY that is is an interpretation of the biblical law. It also says CLEARLY that they believe in a CONTINUATION of laws.

How does that have anything to do with your claim that "SDA created their own law by which they make it theoretically possible to be saved"?

The belief noted in the link says "Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour. Salvation is all of grace and not of works, and its fruit is obedience to the Commandments."

How exactly does ANY of this say that SDA have created their own law which the must follow in order for the possibility of salvation?

Let's take their favorite commandment - the fourth. The Pentateuch is quite specific as to how the Sabbath is to be observed. For example, lighting a fire on the Sabbath is strictly prohibited. The Sabbath is a day of complete rest from all work of any kind.

The SDA, however, have reinterpreted it to mean that it is a day of religious activity focussed upon a Protestant-style church meeting in the morning. Fires of all sorts are kindled. The SDA observance of Saturday only differs from the rest of Protestantism because of the day. It is otherwise identical, but markedly different from that prescribed in scripture. Thus, one can easily keep the SDA Sabbath and retain one's salvation.

 

[fromtheearth]

Let's take their favorite commandment - the fourth. The Pentateuch is quite specific as to how the Sabbath is to be observed. For example, lighting a fire on the Sabbath is strictly prohibited. The Sabbath is a day of complete rest from all work of any kind.

The SDA, however, have reinterpreted it to mean that it is a day of religious activity focussed upon a Protestant-style church meeting in the morning. Fires of all sorts are kindled. The SDA observance of Saturday only differs from the rest of Protestantism because of the day. It is otherwise identical, but markedly different from that prescribed in scripture. Thus, one can easily keep the SDA Sabbath and retain one's salvation.

SDA don't have a favourite commandment, they have 10 favourite commandments.

They do not claim to be followers of the law of the Torah, they claim to be followers of the 10 commandments, of which one says to remember and keep the Sabbath. They interpret that as the Saturday (Friday evening to Saturday evening). You are allowed to disagree with that interpretation, but I believe that making claims about the SDA church having created their own law for salvation is more "Unchristian" than anything I have read in this thread so far.

 

[now faith]

SDA don't have a favourite commandment, they have 10 favourite commandments.

They do not claim to be followers of the law of the Torah, they claim to be followers of the 10 commandments, of which one says to remember and keep the Sabbath. They interpret that as the Saturday (Friday evening to Saturday evening). You are allowed to disagree with that interpretation, but I believe that making claims about the SDA church having created their own law for salvation is more "Unchristian" than anything I have read in this thread so far.

They keep in part the sanitary ordeninces of the law.
They believe as far a eating fish it must have fins or scales.
Other sea animals are unclean such as lobster,shrimp ,crab.
Pork is out and I believe there diet to be the same as a kosher one.

As long as they do not condemn me for what I choose to eat I could care less what they eat.
What God has blessed let no man call unclean.

 

[bbbbbbb]

SDA don't have a favourite commandment, they have 10 favourite commandments.

They do not claim to be followers of the law of the Torah, they claim to be followers of the 10 commandments, of which one says to remember and keep the Sabbath. They interpret that as the Saturday (Friday evening to Saturday evening). You are allowed to disagree with that interpretation, but I believe that making claims about the SDA church having created their own law for salvation is more "Unchristian" than anything I have read in this thread so far.

If you do an objective reading of all of the posts here at CF by the members of the SDA, you will observe that the fourth commandment receives the greatest amount of discussion, even to the point where a special board, Sabbath and the Law, was created. One can reasonably say that the SDA is focussed on the fourth commandment because their interpretation of it sets them entirely apart from mainstream Christianity whereas the other nine commandments are essentially identical in both theological systems.

In a similar way, each denomination contains an aspect of teaching which sets them apart from others and becomes the locus of discussion. I cannot recall the last time I read a discussion here on the deity of Christ, can you?

 

[bbbbbbb]

They keep in part the sanitary ordeninces of the law.
They believe as far a eating fish it must have fins or scales.
Other sea animals are unclean such as lobster,shrimp ,crab.
Pork is out and I believe there diet to be the same as a kosher one.

As long as they do not condemn me for what I choose to eat I could care less what they eat.
What God has blessed let no man call unclean.

The SDA diet differs from the Jewish kosher diet in many aspects. For example, the slaughtering procedures are entirely different. Cleansing of the kitchen at the Passover is not observed by the SDA, etc., etc.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

If you do an objective reading of all of the posts here at CF by the members of the SDA, you will observe that the fourth commandment receives the greatest amount of discussion, even to the point where a special board, Sabbath and the Law, was created. One can reasonably say that the SDA is focussed on the fourth commandment because their interpretation of it sets them entirely apart from mainstream Christianity whereas the other nine commandments are essentially identical in both theological systems.

In a similar way, each denomination contains an aspect of teaching which sets them apart from others and becomes the locus of discussion. I cannot recall the last time I read a discussion here on the deity of Christ, can you?

 

[Jeepneytravel]

The Holy sabbath day deserves a lot of discussion, as it is the only Holy day in the Bible...brought in at Creation Genesis 2 and made Holy by God, yet now most professing christians would sooner follow some pagan based day (sunday) which has no Biblical authority at all...who you going to follow God, or pagan Rome?

 

[now faith]

The Holy sabbath day deserves a lot of discussion, as it is the only Holy day in the Bible...brought in at Creation Genesis 2 and made Holy by God, yet now most professing christians would sooner follow some pagan based day (sunday) which has no Biblical authority at all...who you going to follow God, or pagan Rome?

I would rather not follow pagans,I follow what God said:

Exodus: 20. 8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Monday,Sunday Saturday or other days are not mentioned,because God knew this would gender strife among believers.
If God did not qualify the certain day ,why should we?
Yes the weekday names are pagan.
Keeping the Sabboth is the only commandment out of ten not affirmed in the New Testament.

Mark: 2. 25. And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26. How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27. And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Jesus was teaching common sense on the rendering of the Sabbath.
Just as those who work in the Church as Deacons and singers and teachers and Preachers do.
Unless they are exempt from the law.

Colossians: 2. 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Does SDA,teach hat Micheal the ark Angel was sometimes Jesus in the old testament?
In the book of Jude it is written that when Micheal was contending over Mosses body,He did not make railing accuations.
He simply said the Lord rebuke you.
Now is Christ Lord or Micheal?
The Adventist are good people who need to leave out Ellen Whites teaching because it does not line up with Schripture.
What the Bible states is clear there is no such thing as soul sleep.
The lake of fire is eternal,and any other doctrines that I do not know about.
Follow God's Word not a denomination, it's fine to be with like believers but when the teaching is contrary to God word,and you condemn others for not accepting it ,it becomes heretical.
Myself there are things taught in Word of Faith that I do not agree with because the Bible does not show them to be true.
It's Bible first denomination later.
No religion is perfect because it is a doctrine of men's ideals for God,but it should be God's ideals for relgion.